42 States Shifted to the Right in 2016

[yallerdawg]

If we'd have just nominated a self-described "socialist..."



From: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/09/us/elections/states-shift.html?utm_source=huffingtonpost.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pubexchange&_r=1

The Majority of Battleground States Went for Trump

Donald J. Trump secured his victory by winning seven out of 13 battleground states that President Obama won at least once...

Many Republican-Leaning States Became Even More So

Thirteen Republican strongholds increased their margins for Mr. Trump by more than five percentage points over what Mitt Romney secured in 2012, reinforcing the country’s swing to the right.

Some Democratic States Shifted Toward the Center

Eight reliably Democratic states, primarily in the Northeast, shifted more than five percentage points toward the center, reflecting Mr. Trump’s strength with white, working-class voters.

[Fast Walker 52]

1. seriously! I don't think Bernie was the answer...

but I don't know what *is* the answer the increasing idiocy of this country.

[LostOne4Ever]

2. It was about left right, it was about listening and giving a damn.nt

[yallerdawg]

3. I saw one candidate who sat in small groups and town halls - listening.

I saw two candidates who flew into big rallies and gave big lectures - listening to adulation.

I guess we know what the people want now, don't we?

[LostOne4Ever]

4. Really?

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Then what part of not wanting an insider, not wanting another mainstream politician, not wanting another dynasty did she not get?

What part of wanting CHANGE did she not understand?

Looks to me like she heard them, but didn't listen.[/font]

[yallerdawg]

5. She won the primary votes.

She won the general election votes.

Sounds to me we got what we wanted.

The other party voted for exactly what Bernie opposed - and those cheap, meaningless slogans you mention.

[LostOne4Ever]

6. No she lost the general electoral votes

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]And with it the presidency and the Supreme Court. THAT is what we wanted.

Who gives a shit about winning a popularity with no power associated with it?

Those slogans cost us everything. If we had a candidate with them we would have had the presidency and SC.



Btw: She had to have an uneven plying field to win the primary[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]

[yallerdawg]

7. Still peddling those two myths.

That's cool.

"True believers" don't need facts or truth. We are, as they say, "post truth" now.

[LostOne4Ever]

9. Projection is a dangerous thing

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]And an opinion piece is not fact.

We see the states that were lost. We saw what the voters said they were voting for.

Had we lost because of different states, and had the voters had a different reason for voting the way they did I wouldn't be so angry. But the way it ended makes it quite clear: Bernie would have beaten Trump.

We all know it. Put your head in the sand if you want, but it is obvious to everyone. [/font]

[boston bean]

11. It's easy to say what you say when all you cared about was what Trump was peddling

and thinking he spoke more to the people than Hillary. These people had other motivations.

White men and their wives in rural areas are not and have never been democratic voters. What don't you get about that?

What went wrong on the Dem party side was too many people voting third party to not offset the bigoted nuts in the hills, and possible some not voting because they thought she had it in the bag.

[LostOne4Ever]

15. My main concern has always been social issue and the Supreme Court

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]In particular LGBTQ rights, and with trans rights coming before the court it was particularly important for the Dems to win this one. Trump never peddled in that.

Unions, laborers, and the working class have been part of the Democratic Party for decades: what do you not get about that? Especially in the BLUE states of Michigan, Penn, and Wisconsin! We have to get these voters back!

Yes third party people deserve blame. But so does the DNC for not listening. Michael Moore saw this coming months ago as did many others. To look away from the obvious will only assure us another defeat![/font]

[boston bean]

17. Michael Moore wants to take our party back for white men. I'm like no thanks.

I see no evidence that the Dems are actually harming them. It is a mixture of bigotry and propaganda. They've been doing it since Reagan.

[emulatorloo]

18. Read Eichenwald's postmortem, try to take that into account in your narrative

THE MYTHS DEMOCRATS SWALLOWED THAT COST THEM THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
BY KURT EICHENWALD ON 11/14/16

http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

1. The Myth of the All-Powerful Democratic National Committee
2. The Myth That Sanders Would Have Won Against Trump

We def need to change and move forward, we need to be as accurate and truth-based as we can as we do so.

[B Calm]

8. So will Democratic leaders think they need to move more to the right

to win?

[yallerdawg]

10. It will depend entirely on...

the success or failure of Trump.

The pendulum swings back and forth trying to find a center. We don't know what Trump is, or what he can actually accomplish.

It presidency may just be a back and forth on cleaning up messes.

[Cobalt Violet]

12. not if we have the right leaders.

but if we have the corporate wing of the party still in charge then yes they will abandon the working and middle class even more.

[B Calm]

13. If the conservadems continue to control the direction of

the party, it will be a long time before we have another Democratic president. Democratic politicians need to be seeking Bernie's advice right fucking now!

[R B Garr]

14. Yet it was the strategy of the alt-left to vote against Hillary, so this mantra

is still really phony. The protest votes were planned by the left, so it has nothing to do with the direction of the party. I think it was called, Bern it down. So quit blaming a planned strategy to undermine a general election candidate on the will of the people. Those third party votes were planned and encouraged.

[emulatorloo]

19. Party needs to move to the left. But remaking the party in the image of Bernie or Busters

would be a disaster. Conspiracy theorists, feels over reals, et cetera. Agree w you.

[duffyduff]

16. Stupid, entitled white dudes are the reason

The same people who bitched and moaned about "affirmative action" years ago.

The women are mostly religious types who are against abortion because legalizing it makes it harder for them to hold men responsible for what they do to women. Outlawing it makes it easier for them to bind men to them.

[astral]

20. no.

Abortion is one thing and late-term abortion is something else. Our country is hardly united on this issue.