2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat can be done to fight the results of a dirty election?
What we know now is that Russia* hacked into the US Elections, that many states were running
a program called "crosscheck"** that removed voters from being able to have their votes counted
in order to keep people from traveling from their home state to another state to vote, and in N.C.,
PA, and WI (all states that ran "crosscheck" exit polls*** showed HRC won.
* http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/will-congress-investigate-russian-interference-2016-campaign
** The system, called Crosscheck, is detailed in my Rolling Stone report,
The GOPs Stealth War on Voters <http://www.gregpalast.com/rolling-stone-expose-gops-secret-plan-steal-vote/>, 8/24/2016.
Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922
Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824
Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393
*** http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512610605
Trump, "It is rigged." And he was right too. Putin and the alt right along w/Comey have just run a coup.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,008 posts)They cross a line that many people don't want to go, or can't go. If we don't recognize that our country is - and has been - under attack - for a long time - the future will be dark indeed.
The big question, of course, is what to do about it.
Botany
(70,449 posts)Contact the POTUS, the D o J, and Democratic Senators. The media will not cover this
subject until we turn these small embers into a bonfire.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,008 posts)Botany
(70,449 posts)I find that in my good times I am numb or in a fog and in the bad times the
pain hits me in waves. This election does not pass the smell test.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,008 posts)Trying to get focused on garden stuff - finding it hard to write. Mostly been lining up talks for next year - will be in Michigan in Feb, working on Nashville, trying to get motivated for book 3....but the thing helping most is music - and reading - and walking.
Botany
(70,449 posts)I have come up w/the greatest way in the world to grow tomatoes.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Something Stinks When Exit Polls and Official Counts Don't Match
All the polls agree. Nine most accurate 2012 pollsters ALL predicted Hillary Clinton victory.
Most accurate final, national pre-election estimates in 2012, here sort ordered by accuracy, with their predicted Clinton margins:
Ipsos/Reuters +5
YouGov +4.5
PPP +5 in battleground states
Angus-Reid +4
ABC/WP +5
NBC/WSJ +4
CBS/NYT +3
YouGov/Economist +5
UPI/CVOTER +3
What is most disturbing about the pattern this time is how much more extensive the rigging appears to be. There are several Senate seats involved, and the balance of the US Senate was flipped dramatically. The Presidential contests with Senate contests in the same states are the ones most skewed, WI, PA, NC, OH, MO. I wondered why the presidential race was so far from exit polling in MO, then realized Blunt was losing his Senate seat. MO is skewed 10.7%, three times the margin of error in the exit polls.
http://tdmsresearch.com/2016/11/15/2016-us-senate-elections/
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Really? The link you provide says no such thing.
In fact, what we now know is that Admiral Michael Rogers said,
That much, we know. For you to say, "hacked into the US Elections" is hyperbole.
Botany
(70,449 posts)I got that from the title of the article I linked to.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)What exactly did they hack? The voting machines?, the central tabulators?, the electronic registration systems?
When this was first trotted out the claim "nation state" was rationalized because it was assumed that it took millions and millions of dollars to pull it off and only a "nation state" would have such resource.
This image I got from MotherJones, back when Corn wasn't a tool.
2naSalit
(86,345 posts)perhaps just completed one begun some time ago.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)but their hacking of the DNC emails and others INTERFERED with the election.
Hacking the election implies they were hacking voting machines, which would require voting machines to be hooked to the internet, which they are not.
With that said, Putin definitely had his hands in this, regardless of what his diligent supporter a couple posts above me says.