Hillary Clintons Popular-Vote Victory Is Unprecedented and Still Growing

[DesertRat]

Last edited Thu Nov 17, 2016, 10:11 PM - Edit history (1)

Hillary Clinton now leads the national popular vote for president by roughly one million votes, and her victory margin is expanding rapidly. That margin could easily double before the end of an arduous process of counting ballots, reviewing results, and reconciling numbers for an official total.

But one thing is certain: Clinton’s win is unprecedented in the modern history of American presidential politics. And the numbers should focus attention on the democratic dysfunction that has been exposed.

When a candidate who wins the popular vote does not take office, when a loser is instead installed in the White House, that is an issue. And it raises questions that must be addressed.

Much more here:
https://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clintons-popular-vote-victory-is-unprecedented-and-still-growing/

[SickOfTheOnePct]

1. Her popular vote margin isn't anywhere near unprecedented n/t

[LisaM]

5. It's an unprecedented margin for someone who didn't get the EC

I don't think they meant she got an unprecedented number of votes or unprecedented winning margin. But it's over 1,350,000 at the moment.

[otohara]

9. Any Chance to Diminish Her Popularity

they'll take it.

I love it that she's kicking ass with the popular vote.

Makes my days easier.

[LisaM]

10. Mine too.

I feel that any call I make to a politician's office should make a reference to that.

[DesertRat]

16. We can never let them forget it.

Like it or not, WE are the majority.

[Demsrule86]

18. Yes it is...and another indication that she would have won if we had not had such a bitter

divisive primary.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

22. Not even close to unprecedented

Obama beat McCain by ~9.5 million votes
Obama beat Romney by ~5 million votes
Nixon beat McGovern by ~18 million votes

2 million isn't even near the top.

Unprecedented for a candidate who lost the electoral vote? In raw numbers yes, but not in percentages...she would come in third, possibly second in that category.

This isn't to diminish the fact that she won the popular vote, but rather to point out that her margin isn't by any means "unprecedented", and certainly not so great that a call for electors to go against the voters in their respective states should be heeded.

JMO, YMMV.

[uponit7771]

25. for the loser of the EC it is

[SickOfTheOnePct]

33. Not percentage-wise n/t

[grossproffit]

28. Yes, it is unprecedented. Gore won the popular vote by 500k. Hillary is near 2mm.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

32. OK, so?

Others who have won the popular vote but lost the Electoral College have won by much larger margins, percentage-wise, than did Hillary.

[grossproffit]

34. Like who, other than Adams, Hayes and Hamilton? Anyone more current than the 1800's?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

37. Yeah, both Adams and Hayes

Although she might end up beating Hayes' margin.

But what does it matter when it happened? You do realize that "unprecedented" means it's never happened before, right?

[uponit7771]

36. I modern times this is unprecedented

[uponit7771]

35. Yeap

[Wilms]

2. We need an imaginary government to run with this imaginary win. n/t

[TrekLuver]

3. This "imaginary" win is going to help me get through the next 4 years....n/t

[Patiod]

14. It's a nice comeback to the Trumpanzees in our lives

I'll take it.

[Demsrule86]

19. Are you happy with Trump? do you want to legitimize him?

The fact she won the popular vote so convincingly makes this election reek of fraud and shoots down any mandate.

[Pathwalker]

20. Why, yes - he is. He's a returnee from over there.

cough, cough.

[grossproffit]

24. We have a few of those...

[Pathwalker]

31. This one is no longer with us - ppred. Good

n/t

[treestar]

23. It should be mentioned every time

anything is done by the Orange Rat that he really does not have the support of the majority of the people. It can be used against him. Certainly the Rs would if the other way round.

[marylandblue]

4. Just curious about California

Why does it take so long to count votes there?

[Hekate]

6. I don't know what percentage are absentee/mail-in, but wouldn't you rather we get it right?

[JI7]

12. because there are a lot of people in california

[Glassunion]

15. .

[uponit7771]

26. 1

[Retrograde]

21. paper ballots, for the most part

More than half of the voters opt for voting by mail, which is great, as there's a paper trail. However, each of those ballots has to have its signature verified, then opened and fed into the scanners, which means at some point at least one human being has to be involved. And there are a LOT of registered voters in California - my own county, Santa Clara, has more than in the state of Wyoming (and so far 78% of them voted!). Then there are all the provisional ballots, and any damaged ballots, that have to be looked at individually.

California is a huge state - roughly 40 million people, give or take. And we make a point of counting every valid vote and ensuring that the counts are fair. Just because the media want a story doesn't mean the California election officials should do a sloppy job.

[grossproffit]

30. This! We're not slow, we're thorough. Love my state.

[LisaM]

7. Her margin is up to 1.4 million plus (11/17, 6:14 PST)

This is the best source I've found:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true

[DesertRat]

8. Thanks

[FrenchieCat]

11. K&R

[ProudProgressiveNow]

13. K&R nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

17. K&R!

[zstat]

27. The difference is now 1,677,041. It may reach 2,000,000

Track his site. I can't vouch for its authenticity, but numbers are numbers.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true

If that does not work, enter "2016 National Popular Vote Tracker" into your search engine.

[Dem2]

38. That's a pretty large number.

1.3% lead. And he's already showing indications that he's incompetent/doesn't care for the job. He should concede to Hillary and help repair the country.