Jill Stein continues to bash Hillary Clinton on Twitter repeatedly

[oberliner]

Dr. Jill Stein ‏@DrJillStein 2h
Why would Hillary Clinton—who conceded the election to Donald Trump—want #Recount2016? You cannot be on-again, off-again about democracy.

Dr. Jill Stein ‏@DrJillStein 1h1 hour ago
Why would Hillary Clinton—who holds "public" and "private" positions—want to engage in something as transparent as #Recount2016?

Dr. Jill Stein ‏@DrJillStein 2h2 hours ago
Election integrity cannot be led by a party w/o integrity, just as a revolution cannot happen in a counterrevolutionary party. #Recount2016

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein

This person is not our friend.

[monmouth4]

1. She sounds so nasty and on the edge of unhinged. Glad the recount is happening though..n/t

[saltpoint]

2. They both wanted the same job.

Neither got it.

The recount is entirely within bounds, oberliner. Your personal opinion of Jill Stein not withstanding, a recount to determine the exact vote amounts is completely legal and acceptable.

[oberliner]

4. So did Trump

But it seems like we don't have as hard a time seeing him for what he is as we do with Jill.

[saltpoint]

5. Trump wanted the same job and got it,

which is a big difference between wanting a job and not getting it.

[oberliner]

6. If he didn't get it and was calling for a recount, would people be donating money to him?

Someone I doubt it.

[saltpoint]

7. Of course he would be squawking and of course

Republicans would send money for a recount.

I don't think many Democrats would contribute to the effort, though.

[LisaL]

19. Not us democrats, but his voters presumably would have.

[oberliner]

25. But isn't the integrity of our elections important

Regardless of who the winner is?

[LisaL]

55. Yes, it's important.

[womanofthehills]

60. But - doesn't Wisconsin have a histroy of election fraud

In REPUBLICAN counties since 2004 -

[saltpoint]

26. I would expect Trump's supporters to

support such an effort, yes.

[JHan]

3. This is expected though?

Learn to tune Jill out, she'll test your sanity.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

8. As she sails into uncharted waters

she believes in her ability to maintain control. Since she is no explorer ,she may well be disappointed about what happens in the outcome as a result of this. Perhaps she will be judged in the long run by what she did, leaving to be forgotten whatever it is she thinks she thinks.

[Curtland1015]

9. Clinton Camp: We won't call for a recount.

Stein: I demand a recount!

Clinton Camp: Well hell, if a recount is going to happen regardless, I suppose we should work on it with them.

Stein: Why is Clinton demanding a recount! What a hypocrite!

...HUH?

Was this whole thing just a set up for her to troll Clinton, or what?

[oberliner]

11. She clearly despises Hillary Clinton

And has been doing everything in her power to prevent her from becoming President. Even with Trump being the alternative.

[womanofthehills]

62. Who really cares - the thing is if Jill had not acted, Clinton would not have

Just donate and get the recount.

[guillaumeb]

10. And Stein's revolution gathered approximately 1% of the vote.

As it did in 2012. If this is a revolution, it proceeds about as fast as evolutionary change does. So perhaps in 50,000 years the Green Party will win a US Presidential election.

[Historic NY]

12. WHAT'S in IT for HER??

she's collecting cash that may or may not be used for recounts or audits. She may have just help herself into a court room for fraud.

[oberliner]

13. She has definitely expanded the Green Party mailing list

And will undoubtedly have surplus funds when this is over.

[LisaL]

18. Which she promises to use for election integrity purposes.

Which is one of the goals of Green Party. Which presumably means Green Party gets to keep any money left over.

[DesertRat]

40. Exactly. nt

[womanofthehills]

65. Election integrity is a prominent issue for Greens

Sounds like some people on here want to discourage others from donating and sabotage the recount. That seems to be more important to them than looking at voting anomalies. Republicans are trying to throw a "wrench into the recount" (from Daily Kos) by claiming she will use the money for herself, etc. and it appears to me there are some here at DU quoting the Republican talking points.

Keep donating and don't listen to the "Republican talking points" being quoted by some here on DU.

[womanofthehills]

63. Federal law says she has to use the money for what it was raised for - recounts and audit

Whats with the "may or may not" - she has already filed in Wisconsin.

[yardwork]

14. Maybe this is part of Putin's effort to undermine the U.S.

We've learned that U.S. security experts believe that Putin meddled in our election in order to undermine people's belief in our government. Stein is connected with Putin. Maybe the recount effort is part of the same strategy to undermine.

[LisaL]

16. I don't think undermining the US was Putin's ultimate goal.

Russia is very happy that Trump got elected. But I don't see any chance for these recounts to actually flip the results.

[tandem5]

17. I'll just offer, anecdotally, Stein's site and fundraising has gone smoothly without

a hint of ddos attacks or trolling. Trump is now only responding which also strikes me as odd.

[anamandujano]

29. People were only saying yesterday how silent Trump has been. He probably had a meeting

with his scumbucket advisors to figure out what to say or do. Then somebody wrote his blabberings.

If Stein's website had been hacked, everyone would take that as a nod to the affirmative that our election was hacked.

[tandem5]

31. To your second point, I suppose that's true, but on the other hand

when Russians hacked the DNC and directed a troll army of false propaganda most just shrugged off the fact that our election process was being manipulated.

[anamandujano]

37. Did we shrug it off here? I'm not sure I even heard about that until days after the election.

If nobody cared about that, for sure our splendiferous MSM either missed the story or put forth theories why it didn't matter.

I also highly suspect DU was taken down by the professionals in the Putin/Trump brigade. It took the guys forever to get the site back up. It must have been a mighty thorough, devious hack.

[tandem5]

39. That's my point if Stein's fundraising site were to be attacked...

the media would ignore or explain it away.

With regard to the DNC hack and larger pre-manipulation by Russia of the election perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, but it was well covered ahead of time by the media and even in the presidential debates. It was just met with a ho-hum response in large part, but certainly not here at DU:

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[NoGoodNamesLeft]

15. For God's Sake it's bad enough Hillary has been the target of a nearly 3 decade long smear campaign

But the assholes attacking her crushed her dream to serve as the first woman president and be able to continue doing good works for children and families. These assholes that STILL attack her are pissing me off. Stein and her Putin loving buddy Trump can go take a long walk off a short pier.

Leave.Hillary.Alone

[ucrdem]

20. It's a seller's market and she stuck her neck out

so I guess we grin and bear it. I imagine she's eager to establish that this is her game and she's not dancing at the end of Hillary's strings, whatever the arrangement might be. That said, if she's really tweeting this stuff, she sounds as out-of-control as Trump. Some people should just stay off of social media.

[flamingdem]

28. My first thought too - she is putting distance with Hillary with these tweets

logically unnecessary but useful for cover.

[Lotusflower70]

21. Jealous

Obviously she wants the attention and the job. But Jill Stein is totally batshit. What she said about 9/11 is repulsive.

[HipHipHillary]

22. Sure isn't a friend

But she sure does like the money$$$

[Farmgirl1961]

23. I realize that Jill Stein is no friend of Hillary's

but in this instance perhaps it's not such a bad thing. Hillary didn't call for the recount; she unfortunately conceded. She/her advisors said all along that they "trusted" the integrity of the voting system. Perhaps having Jill Stein as Hillary's adversary is a good thing for this recount process.

[Lucinda]

24. I would expect nothing less from Stein.

I'm grateful that the recounts will happen, but it does nothing to change my view of her...

[underthematrix]

27. This is noise. Ignore it.

[Vinnie From Indy]

30. Meh! Stein's recount effort is still worthy of support.

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She is a politician and she is fighting her fight the way she thinks it should be fought. The constant attacks by the OP on Stein about her effort to recount the votes in WI, MI and PA at this point deserves its own reflection. All readers should wonder why the OP is so passionate about dissuading people from supporting her effort to verify our election integrity.

FYI - It appears to have very little to do with Clinton's future career in national politics. Who cares if Stein criticizes Hillary at this point?

Also, it is being reported that the Clinton campaign will be involved with the recount. Hillary isn't nearly as offended at Stein's effort or her comments as the OP appears to be. Reflect on that point for a while!

[uponit7771]

32. 1

[Arazi]

45. Plus another one

[enough]

33. She's welcome to her opinion, and to express it. (nt)

[BainsBane]

34. Why would Stein not want assistance with the recount?

Is the point electoral accountability or her ego and vendetta?

[davidn3600]

35. She wants the attention all to herself and her party

[sfwriter]

36. Her game is pretty transparent.

She sees Hillary as a step stool to relevance. I'm just glad we are getting a recount out of her.

-SFwriter

[Bobbie Jo]

38. She's playing to her audience

They're calling her a traitor.

[TheFrenchRazor]

41. my support of recounts does not depend on Ms. Stein's personality. nice diversion attempt. nt

[oberliner]

44. My support of recounts does not diminish my distaste for Jill Stein

It should be very possible for both sentiments to co-exist.

[womanofthehills]

59. Why such dislike for the woman who is leading the way to clean up our voting systems ?

Hillary is finally stepping up, but she would not have if it wasn't for Jill. Jill saying she doesn't like either candidate actually works out well for Hillary. I really don't care if Jill is narcissistic or whatever - her actions can change the way we vote in the US. The way you are posting your dislike of Jill all over DU, makes it appear you want to discourage DU'ers from sending money to Jill for the recount. Trump seems to be really upset about the recount - obviously he knows it's been tampered with. This can only benefit Hillary which is great for us in the long run. It gives us f**king hope - don't you get that.

[oberliner]

67. Because she worked aggressively against Hillary Clinton for president

I fought like hell to try to get Hillary elected president, and Jill Stein actively did everything in her power to try to stop that from happening.

[Dream Girl]

81. She was her opponent. What do you expect? Get over it.

Have you ever heard The expression poliltics ain't beanbag?

[LostOne4Ever]

42. IMHO, If she can keep Trump out of office then she can say whatever she wants about Hillary nt

[oberliner]

43. She can't keep Trump out of office

And is not interested in doing so.

[UCmeNdc]

46. Corruption!

Trump is Corrupt!

[oberliner]

47. No two ways about that

Maybe his corruption will be his undoing at some point. One can only hope. Although the idea of Pence being POTUS is pretty unpleasant to put it mildly.

[LostOne4Ever]

48. Pence is already president elect

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999] Trump is just his immunity idol.

And what happens on Survivor when a person has an immunity idol and the group doesn't force them to use it right away? They lord their advantage over everyone all the way to the final!

We got to make Pence use up his idol from the beginning. Get Trump out and then go after Pence![/font]

[oberliner]

49. Good point

And a disturbing one.

[KittyWampus]

50. That's your opinion. Don't mistake it for fact. And who cares what Stein says?

Although seeing who posted this OP definitely made sense.

[oberliner]

51. It is a fact, not an opinion

I know it's an unpleasant fact to digest, but it is a fact all the same.

[womanofthehills]

64. You never know - these 3 states are usually blue and it's very close

and Wisconsin does not have a secure voting system. I live in NM - all paper ballots - and reported to be one of most reliable voting sytems in the USA. Wisconsin has a bad reputation as far as voting goes. I have a hard time believing he won in these 3 normally blue states.

[oberliner]

66. Pennsylvania is not doing a recount

They don't have any paper trail.

[womanofthehills]

68. In Penn they will be looking for vote stealing malware

[oberliner]

72. No, they won't

The courts decide in PA and there has to be evidence of tampering or fraud presented first.

[womanofthehills]

74. In PA voters must ask for recount

Dr. Jill Stein ‏@DrJillStein 3h3 hours ago
~1,500 Pennsylvanians have agreed to file affidavits in their precincts to initiate #Recount2016. Sign up to file: http://jill2016.com/recountPA

[womanofthehills]

75. Pennsylvania has actually outlined a process for recount without paper backups

http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/pennsylvania-recount-filed-results-deadline-rules-law-election-electronic-voting-machines-hillary-clinton-marc-elias-hack-fraud-russia-trump-jill-stein-hand-count-paper-votes-ballots/

Go to #4 - there is a document there on recount - it will probably be the most costly state to recount - millions of dollars -

[oberliner]

77. Candidates cannot file a direct request for a recount

In order for a recount to occur, there would have to be evidence of fraud presented in court.

[guillaumeb]

52. She is desperately seeking attention and relevance. eom

[oberliner]

53. And money

And names and addresses for her mailing list.

[guillaumeb]

54. Stein claims she is all about building the Green Party.

But her "once every four years" appearances have done nothing to build the Green Party. Witness her massive nearly 1% of the total votes cast. A vote for Stein is an empty statement.

[womanofthehills]

69. Who care???? She is getting the recount done.

[guillaumeb]

83. Agreed. eom

[jake335544]

80. I'm surprised to see Green locals sprout up in my state of Virginia.

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Their vote totals were 0.10% in 2004, 0.12% in 2008, 0.35% in 2012, and 1% this year. Considering they weren't actually a national party before 2004, just a loose association of parties, unfortunately they do have momentum. At first I was surprised to see Green locals sprout up in my state of Virginia. But, they really aren't a threat, or at least they aren't as much of a threat as the old Socialist Party. If they do become a threat, you remember what our party did the Socialist, Communist Parties and the IWW? We just threw their commie butts in jail, kicked people out of office and ransacked their offices under Wilson in the first red scare.

I've also seen that Stein has participated in the Left Forum, held video-conferences on running campaign, participated in various environmental protests, ISO teach-ins, and various other venues trying to build her party btw elections to varying degrees of success.

However, I'm watching the GP and Stein, we don't want them to get too confident. Their largest weakness is they don't have union support, as long as we keep union support they won't ever be a threat. Union support is traditionally the best way for parties like them to get competitive $$ channels, which they obviously don't have.

[guillaumeb]

84. Welcome to DU

I can see the Greens having success in local races but nationally the US system is designed for two parties.

[still_one]

56. You are correct ob, she is not our friend, however, I absolutely don't have any issue

if Hillary's campaign piggybacks onto the recount effort.

While Comey and the FBI did great damage with their interference in the election, which I believe was a Hatch Act violation, the fact that 3rd party voters and a good number of self-identified progressives refused to vote for Hillary is what allowed trump in.

In Michigan Hillary lost by .3%. Jill Stein received 1.1% of the vote. Similar results in Wisconsin, and other swing states. That did make the difference, and those that choose that path deserve trump.

Those that took that route also take no responsibility in what their actions caused.

When there is such an enormous difference between the two candidates on almost any issue, and they refuse to acknowledge that fact, by not voting for Hillary, their actions elected trump.

[still_one]

57. While not as thorough, Nader requested recounts in NH and other places in 2000 and 2004

[oberliner]

58. He didn't ask Democrats to give him millions of dollars to pursue those recounts

His own campaign funds paid for them.

[womanofthehills]

70. What if we want to give our money for recounts

It makes more impact, if the money comes from the people.

[oberliner]

71. Then make sure the money actually goes to said recounts

And not to the coffers of the Green Party which has been devoted to doing everything possible to attack Hillary Clinton and Democrats in general.

[womanofthehills]

73. You keep using a Republican talking point

Why?

[oberliner]

78. You keep trying to claim this is a "Republican talking point"

Even though numerous Democrats have been raising this point from day one.

The Republicans are using the fact of this being an obvious scam to try to make HRC look bad (even though she has nothing to do with running the scam).

Any reasonable person can see what is happening here.

[Dream Girl]

82. We will make sure the funds are segregated. Ok?

[Kennah]

61. Could she have been the second Manchurian Candidate? (n/t)

[Skinner]

76. I'm totally shocked by this.

[riversedge]

79. She blocked me a few months ago already. I am glad she got the recount going but

realize she is NO friend to Dems, or Hillary.