Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

zenabby

(364 posts)
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 06:17 PM Nov 2016

Understanding the recount - pls read

This is a bit long, but I think totally worth understanding. Please read.
====
I been trying to understand the recount process, where the hacking/fraud might have happened, and why some people think this is a big deal. What I've found has astounded me. The thing is though, I didn't find this easily. I pretty much investigated by following a bunch of people on Twitter, asking questions and connecting the dots. Two very important people fighting this battle are Greg Palast and Joy Reid.If you can, please follow them on Twitter to understand more. I'l give a simple synoposis here.
Essentially, this is not a recount to check for human errors. This is also not a recount to address or check for "hacking" of voting machines. Both of the above might have happened, but not at the scale that can reverse 10,000+ votes.

The real fraud is through this program called "Interstate Crosscheck" #Crosscheck. This happened before the elections. Essentially for many many counties, first and last names were compared across states. If there were two names that were the same, they were purged from the voter rolls as trying to vote twice. This was done very very disproportionately to minorities (Asian, Hispanic and Black) voters. You can imagine a name like "Lily Wu" or "Alice Henderson" being there in multiple states for multiple people. The thing is that, intentionally, middle names were NOT included in this Crosscheck, thereby increasing the number of people purged from the voter rolls. Since trying to vote twice is a "felony", these people are considered "criminals". The suspect list of potential criminals contains an astonishing SEVEN MILLION NAMES—naming ONE IN SEVEN voters of color in the Crosscheck states.

These people did not know they were purged. So what happens when they show up to vote? They are given "provisional" (placebo) ballots. But these ballots were NEVER counted. For example, in Michigan (I think), the provisional ballots were 300,000 but margin of victory is around 10,000.

The recount by Greg Palast (who is a reporter in Rolling Stones) asks for counting ALL absentee and provisional ballots. That's why the winner could change. In addition, he has a petition asking #Crosscheck to release the names of the people purged from the rolls so as to prove the disproportionately high minority list. Please see his petition here (and sign):
http://thebestdemocracymoneycanbuy.com/petition/

6 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Understanding the recount - pls read (Original Post) zenabby Nov 2016 OP
we all read this in RS in October jodymarie aimee Nov 2016 #1
Very interesting..nm speaktruthtopower Nov 2016 #2
This can address future elections but not past BainsBane Nov 2016 #3
That's what you'd think.. zenabby Nov 2016 #4
But they will not be unless the voter followed the provisional rules. Exilednight Nov 2016 #5
I understand, zenabby Nov 2016 #6
 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
1. we all read this in RS in October
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 06:26 PM
Nov 2016

and nobody paid attention. GIGANTIC RED FLAG.....nobody cared, esp not the $$$msm....Palast is not just a writer for a magazine, he has many books out.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
3. This can address future elections but not past
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 08:42 PM
Nov 2016

Their votes can't be recounted when they weren't cast in the first place. Conflating voter suppression with the recount only confuses the situation. There are separate.

zenabby

(364 posts)
4. That's what you'd think..
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:31 PM
Nov 2016

except they were cast. These people had no idea their votes were purged. So when they came to the polling booth they would have been given provisional ballots, and these provisional ballots have not been counted. The recount asks that provisional ballots be counted. That was my big aha moment today.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
5. But they will not be unless the voter followed the provisional rules.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 11:44 PM
Nov 2016

In most states you have between 24 to 48 hours to produce the proper documents for your provisional ballot to be counted.

Failure to produce these documents in allotted time disqualifies the vote from ANY count.

zenabby

(364 posts)
6. I understand,
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:57 PM
Nov 2016

but that's what Greg Palast is trying to prove. We have the provisional ballots. these people were purged illegally. He is demanding the names of the people who were on the purge list to take it to court so that he can prove that it was disproportionately and intentionally minority, and get these provisional ballots counted. The fraud is Crosscheck, and he is trying to prove it. It could have/should have done before the election, but like someone else said, we thought we were going to win and didn't pay enough attention to it.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Understanding the recount...