Fitrakis says 19 Wisconsin counties refusing to give

[triron]

recount team access to ballots. wtf!

https://twitter.com/Greg_Palast?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[guillaumeb]

1. Something to hide? eom

[gollygee]

2. I'm going to guess that those are the ones most needed n/t

[FarPoint]

3. I know and trust Bob...

Solid to the core.

[colsohlibgal]

5. Me Too

He and Wasserman go where corporate media will not go, truth to power.

[FarPoint]

6. Absolutely...

I adore them both....such energy and passion.

[pnwmom]

21. I used to, till he lied about the California provisional votes in the primary.

He said -- repeatedly, no accident -- that they weren't going to be counted and that Bernie had really won.

Wrong. Every single one was checked ,almost all were eligible and counted, and Hillary still won.

In California, by law, all provisional ballots are counted after they are checked against the registration rolls. None are just set aside.

[shraby]

4. Which counties?

And can they do that?

[Aimee in OKC]

27. Wisconsin ... something citizens can try ...

Ordinary people just might be able to count some ballots independently, especially important if interested in more than just the presidential results.

As Optical Scan machines read a ballot, they capture an anonymous image of it. No personal information means there shouldn't be any legal reason to refuse to release the images.

Use a notarized FOIA request to election officials to demand the images of the election results you want. They could give in, refuse, drag it out ... so to get a yes or no as soon as possible, best to go in person. Take along at least two brand-new, still-wrapped flash drives to download the files. Count the votes & enter into a spreadsheet for tracking.

https://www.verifiedvoting.org/verifier/

1. Click on Wisconsin. (Then click on a specific county if you want its quick info.) Scroll down to "Search Equipment" dropdowns in lower left. Select Wisconsin, "Optical Scan" & 2016, and SEARCH.

https://www.verifiedvoting.org/verifier/#year/2016/state/55

2. See the 11-page list of Wisconsin cities/towns/villages which use the makes and various models of Optical Scan machines = Dominion, ES&S {Elections Systems & Software}, Premier/Diebold, Sequoia.

3. Explore "Security Concerns" for those Optical Scan models used in Wisconsin: scroll down & select each one in turn & see their vulnerabilities.

MAKE MODEL of OPTICAL SCAN
Dominion Voting Systems ImageCast Precinct
Election Systems & Software DS200
Election Systems & Software Model 100
Election Systems & Software Optech IIIP-Eagle
Premier/Diebold (Dominion) AccuVote OS
Sequoia (Dominion) Optech Insight

MAKES of DRE TOUCHSCREEN:
Premier/Diebold (Dominion) AccuVote TSX
Sequoia (Dominion) AVC Edge
Election Systems & Software iVotronic

4. See also other states' machines= in that "Search Equipment", select the state you want & SEARCH.

[red dog 1]

7. Why does Twitter say: "Greg Palast is blocked"?

WTF?

What did he do to get blocked?

It's that rat bastard Trump who should be blocked by Twitter.

[triron]

8. Huh?

Are you sure?

[red dog 1]

12. 10 minutes ago it said "Greg Palast is blocked"

Now, that statement has been removed.

[triron]

13. hacking?

[red dog 1]

50. Possibly

[triron]

9. knr

[triron]

10. knr again

[Farmgirl1961]

11. Now what happens?

Can they do that? What recourse does Stein and lawyers have?

[triron]

15. Probably have to go to court.

[Farmgirl1961]

16. That doesn't sound good in Wisconsin.

[Lucinda]

14. Grrr

[Farmgirl1961]

17. How many counties in total are there in Wisconsin?

[womanofthehills]

28. 72 counties - does anyone know which ones are blocked?

Must be blocked for a reason - most votes stolen.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

18. Refusing to give access to ballots

to the people who are actually counting them = very, very bad

Refusing to give access to ballots to observers from any party = good

[mackdaddy]

19. Hartmann Interview with Greg Palast this afternoon 12/1/16

Basically says all three states could be switched to Hillary in fair recount, and accounting of "uncounted spoiled ballots".

[SickOfTheOnePct]

22. Why would spoiled ballots be counted? n/t

[Kolesar]

24. Greg Palast said election officials dump most of the provisional votes

They don't count them, they dump them on arbitrary grounds like envelope labeling. It is possible to determine "voter intent" and count them if they tried.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

26. A provisional ballot is not the same as a spoiled ballot

As for provisional ballots, it varies from state to state. In Virginia, for example, I'm sure that most provisional ballots would reveal voter intent. But if the voter doesn't provide the required information by the deadline, the vote will be tossed.

[womanofthehills]

30. Many provisional ballots just never seem to get counted

[SickOfTheOnePct]

32. Quite possibly for valid reasons

Provisional ballots often require additional action on the part of the voter. If they don't do what is required, then of course the ballot won't be counted. And I believe federal law requires that anyone voting a provisional ballot has the right to inquire as to whether or not the ballot was counted.

[DeminPennswoods]

41. Prov ballots come with a tracking code

Here in PA, the ballots come with a tracking bar code and the provisional voter gets a receipt portion of the ballot with the same bar code on it as is on the prov ballot. You can track the status of your ballot online.

[womanofthehills]

29. Because most are not really spoiled ballots

Hope the lawyers have access to these ballots.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

31. And you know this how...? n/t

[Hassin Bin Sober]

36. I know it from watching recounts.

Say, for instance, someone checks the box for Hillary Clinton and then also writes her name in the the write-in area.

Should that vote count in your opinion? Is voter intent clear?

The machine counts the vote as an overvote when in fact it is a valid vote.

I watched the Al Frankenstein recount in pretty much real time. People do all sorts of stupid stuff that causes the machine to not count the votes.

[BlueProgressive]

38. Al Gore had 40,000 "overvotes" in Florida...

If you check their name and write it also, I'd say that intent is more clear than that of someone who only checked the name....

[tavernier]

20. Are these the 19 that refused hand counts?

but will do machine counts?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

23. That's what I'm guessing

otherwise, a strange coincidence.

[world wide wally]

25. Check the machines

[dragonlady]

33. In Milwaukee County

Observers sit across the table from workers who are counting ballots by hand (verifying whether the number of ballots in the bag matches the number of voters). The observers can point out ballots with problems that would need to be counted specially by hand. The ballots are then counted on a high-speed machine that separates out each candidate and counts the votes for each. Any ballots that are spit out of the machine as an undervote (machine does not detect any vote for president) will be remade on a blank ballot to show the voter's intent and put through the machine again to be counted.

[TheFrenchRazor]

35. ok, sounds good. nt

[TheFrenchRazor]

34. wtf indeed; reminds me of 2000, when repubs wanted all ballots destroyed after Shrub was declared

the winner by his friends in high places.

[Demsrule86]

37. It is looking more and more like this election was stolen in the small districts where

Drumpt ran up such big numbers.

[BlueProgressive]

39. I've been wondering... In rural precincts where the Trump vote supposedly spiked,

are some so rural that they maybe didn't have a Democratic party observer?

And in such a precinct, how hard would it really be to "help" some voters show up and vote-- like the ones who actually didn't? We're talking ballot-box stuffing...

[dragonlady]

40. Stuffing would be risky

The added "voters" would have to be registered and sign the poll book so that the post-election cross-checks match. Their votes would then appear on the state website (you can look up your voting history online). If these were for actual people who didn't vote, they would eventually know that their names had been used. Maybe some people would be willing to risk a felony conviction to get some number of extra votes for their favored candidate, but that's doubtful. It's the same reason that poor people actually don't vote several times for some relatively small payment.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

44. It would be much easier to spoil the other candidate's ballot by overvoting for the voter afterwards

[dragonlady]

47. That's an idea

But for many counties, the question would arise, why did the machine not spit back an overvote on election day? In counties that don't use machines, the poll workers should have already eliminated any overvotes during counting on election night.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

51. I can't speak for other jurisdictions

but in Virginia, they aren't "spit back" for overvotes. The ballot goes into the machine, and the candidate for each race is credited for a vote, except for any race with an undervote or overvote. Overvotes and undervotes from tabulators aren't even looked at unless there is a hand recount.

[Demsrule86]

42. That is my thinking...he ran up the rural vote by unheard of numbers.

Yet the results do not support a wave election. Observers are generally sent to large districts not smaller districts...and already some districts have changed their numbers in Wisconsin...and all mistakes favor Trump? They are also fighting the Michigan recount...very suspicious.

[libtodeath]

43. Sounds like obstruction of justice.

[flamingdem]

45. That is a huge tell

There is something hinky, we need to know!

[UCmeNdc]

46. There is something going on there.

Lawyers need to get there fast!

[AgadorSparticus]

48. Huh....and this is EXACTLY why we need the recount. To expose

The nonsense that is clearly a big part of this election.

Bet these people NEVER THOUGHT there would be a recount. Bet they thought it was just all gonna be smooth as butter. I hope they get exposed and carted off to jail.

[Ken Burch]

49. Can they be compelled to do so by court order?

n/t.

[MFM008]

52. Sue Sue Sue

A boy named SUE.