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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
2. This officially makes Nate Silver wrong
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:37 PM
Dec 2016

Who basically swore on his grave that Hillary will win the electoral college if she won with more than a 2% margin in the popular vote.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
3. Well, for all we know, Clinton DID WIN the most electoral votes...
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:45 PM
Dec 2016

...that is, if all the lawfully cast votes were honestly counted.

BzaDem

(11,142 posts)
5. Nate Silver kept writing about how HRC was more likely to lose despite winning PV
Tue Dec 6, 2016, 12:14 AM
Dec 2016

than almost everyone else was saying. He was the only forecaster to keep harping on the unusual high uncertainty, and how a close PV would likely indicate a Trump EC win.

I'm not familiar with him "swearing on his grave" about a two percent threshold (though I vaguely remember him mentioning that she was likely safe if she won by over 2). But the exact threshold is really not particularly interesting compared to the fact that he was the only major forecaster to talk about how this was more likely than people think. Yet when anyone cited Nate Silver here before the election, he was always attacked. Unfortunately for the country, he was right.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
7. Well, I did the calculations and she is actually only up by 1.95 percent.
Tue Dec 6, 2016, 01:08 AM
Dec 2016

If she had gotten up by another half a point then that would have probably meant 1 point in the swing states, like PA, WI, MI and FL.

So I think we need to win by 2.5 points nationally in order to win.

Then again, a different Republican would have done better with Latinos. And for the record, the exit polls got the Latino numbers very wrong. It's pretty clear that HRC did much better than Obama with that group, even if only with that group.

But the damage that Trump did with Hispanics may be permanent for the GOP, just like Pete Wilson's damage was permanent in California.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
10. Except neither Nathan Silver nor anyone else could predict
Tue Dec 6, 2016, 01:51 AM
Dec 2016

how many voters would find themselves purged off registration lists, or their ID's not accepted, or their ballots marked as "spoiled" etc.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
12. Excellent point. I think that we have to simply factor that in to our numbers.
Tue Dec 6, 2016, 02:24 AM
Dec 2016

Maybe Obama can work on getting poor people photo IDs in his post-presidency.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
8. Not quite yet, unless you use a rounding error.. 48.165% vs. 46.219%
Tue Dec 6, 2016, 01:19 AM
Dec 2016
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true#gid=19

We are still a few votes shy of a 2% margin, about 75,000 short. If CA really still has 300,000 to report, it could happen tomorrow when the CA county deadline happens.

Right now, the lead is a few thousand short of the sum of ALL Trump votes in 12 states combined. Tomorrow it will end with all the Trump votes in 12 states and DC equaling less than Clinton's lead. In those 12 states and DC, Hillary wins the popular vote by over 200,000 votes.
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