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kentuck

(111,078 posts)
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 12:42 AM Dec 2016

It is truly about our values as a nation.

What ideals do we wish to hold before the world?

How do we want to feel about ourselves?

All of us have to decide what kind of country do we want?

Do we want to be a kind and decent nation?

Do we wish to surrender those values that we hold so dearly?

We are in the midst of a political crisis and the results of the decisions we make, will live with us, for a very long time.

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It is truly about our values as a nation. (Original Post) kentuck Dec 2016 OP
It's Ayn Rand's country now; elleng Dec 2016 #1
morality is like facts... kentuck Dec 2016 #2
'The phrase "I know it when I see it" is a colloquial expression elleng Dec 2016 #3
Thanks! kentuck Dec 2016 #4

kentuck

(111,078 posts)
2. morality is like facts...
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 01:24 AM
Dec 2016

It's all in the eye of the beholder. Some jurist once noted that he could not define "pornography", but he knew it when he saw it.

elleng

(130,864 posts)
3. 'The phrase "I know it when I see it" is a colloquial expression
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 01:28 AM
Dec 2016

by which a speaker attempts to categorize an observable fact or event, although the category is subjective or lacks clearly defined parameters. The phrase was famously used in 1964 by United States Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart to describe his threshold test for obscenity in Jacobellis v. Ohio.[1][2][3] In explaining why the material at issue in the case was not obscene under the Roth test, and therefore was protected speech that could not be censored, Stewart wrote:

I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that.[4]

The expression became one of the most famous phrases in the entire history of the Supreme Court.[5] Though "I know it when I see it" is widely cited as Stewart's test for "obscenity", he never used the word "obscenity" himself in his short concurrence. He only stated that he knows what fits the "shorthand description" of "hard-core pornography" when he sees it.

Stewart's "I know it when I see it" standard was praised as "realistic and gallant"[6] and an example of candor.[7]'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it

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