Over 150,000 votes stolen in Michigan according to Greg Palast

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https://www.democracynow.org/2016/12/13/greg_palast_by_rejecting_recount_is

75, 000 from "spoiled ballots", but he says 87 machines were broken in Detroit that would have cast about 1,000 votes each. That latter bit by itself would have swung the election to Hillary in Michigan, and he says similar thing happened in Wisconsin.

This is not surprising given what we know about the GOP running the voting there, but is still outrageous.

What is the REMEDY for stolen votes????

[Botany]

1. No way did Trump win this thing by being legit

It just wasn't in Michigan by in many state nationwide. I have seen the figure of
3.8 million people voted in the primary for HRC but skipped the general election.

When Trump said, "It is rigged." he knew that was the case.

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3. I agree, this was the most crooked election of my 36 years of voting

[Botany]

4. It happened in Kansas too .... Beth Clarkson has done some good work in the field

http://us11.campaign-archive2.com/?u=aa64e1b3819716e3e24805728&id=746d4cec48&e=51ae16a5eb

And the media just skips right over it.

In OH the early vote had HRC crushing Trump.

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26. that seems to rely on exit poll data though

I don't think any expert is convinced by abnormalities in exit polls, since they are subject to a lot of variables and aren't designed to detect fraud.

[greytdemocrat]

16. Damn right it was. n/t

[TheFrenchRazor]

9. precisely.. nt

[triron]

2. knr

[Chasstev365]

5. Hey Democratic Party:

Fool me once, Shame on you!, Fool me multiple times, SHAME ON ME! How many FUCKING TIMES are you going to let the GOP get away with this shit?

The Democratic Party has failed to be an opposition party and that is why the GOP gets away with stealing elections over and over.

I'M SICK OF THE THE DEMOCRATS PLAYING THE PART OF THE WASHINGTON GENERALS AND THE GOP BEING THE HARLEM GLOBE TROTTERS!

[Kilgore]

7. Thanks for the reminder

[kacekwl]

21. +1000

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28. Amen... it's almost like it's all a rigged game they are both in on

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

31. Seriously... WTF!!!

[kudzu22]

6. The remedy is you go to court

So why didn't Hillary contest the Michigan results? Stein did but she did not have standing to challenge the recount. Hillary did. Makes me wonder if Trump had been playing us all along by getting us to condemn him for saying he'd challenge the result if he lost, and we all said it'd be dangerous to democracy. Did fear of looking like a giant hypocrite keep Hillary from taking the necessary steps to challenge the outcome?

[stillcool]

10. why would she?

she would have had the same results as Steiin, but with media, and websites going after her in a feeding frenzy 24/7. It's not up to the one candidate on the ballot, that is not from a particular state, to make sure votes are counted.

[kudzu22]

14. I'm just stating the rationale the state court used

to stop the recount -- that Stein was not an "agrieved candidate" with respect to the Michigan results because she finished a distant fourth and could not hope to win after a recount. This is not the case for Hillary. Maybe they would find some other reason to stop it then, but they could not claim Hillary was not the agrieved party.

[davekriss]

11. Makes you wonder?

Of course the rubes were being played all along.

[kudzu22]

15. If so then Trump is smarter

than I generally give him credit for.

[davekriss]

17. His handlers are very smart

Drumpf is just the useful idiot that knows how to work up the low-information crowd.

[kacekwl]

23. I think we are the rubes.

[davekriss]

44. Nope

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24. maybe, but I don't think he planned it that well

a lot of things worked out for him because he just threw out so much fucking bullshit that no one could counter it effectively.

[TheFrenchRazor]

8. meh... been there, done that... and we'll probably do it again. sadly. pugs can't win without chea

cheating.

[stillcool]

12. Michigan voters...

need to make sure their elections are fair, secure, and accurate. Easy peasy.

[LenaBaby61]

13. The 2016 Election ...

Was STOLEN from Hillary.

END OF STORY.

[kimbutgar]

18. I fear we will never get rid of rethug control since they control voting in the red states

The west coast states make voting easy, automatically register you if you get an ID. But these red states are now locked down and no longer winnable. Democracy RIP on November 8th, 2016. Get used to one party rule at the federal level and the 33 other states. If they take over 1 more state they can change our constitution to their interests. I don't see people waking up in those states being fed fake propaganda and false narratives. i think the Democratic Party is dead on arrival at this point.

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20. yeah, it's crazy and near hopeless, fucking conservative media is the death of us

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

32. Don't forget the 2020 census!

[LenaBaby61]

36. I fear we will never get rid of rethug control since they control voting in the red states.

"I think the Democratic Party is dead on arrival at this point."

Pretty much true in the bolded.

We can no longer win Red states (As voter disenfranchisement/suppression will be on 'roids under a tRump DOJ/FBI), and let's just say that MANY of the folks who voted for tRump see the error or their ways and turn on him in 2018, and want to vote against him/Rethugs. Well, they won't be able to vote against him nor other thuglicans in 2018 because of voter disenfranchisement. Not only that, WHO will be helping thuglicans win the 2020 General Elections? Will the Russians interfere again, or will it be another foreign government?

Hell, Dems may not win the presidency in MY lifetime. If I'm lucky, I'll live to a ripe old age--75 or maybe 80 (I'm currently 55), and with all of the shenanigans thuglicans will be pulling with voter suppression, and possibly turning the police force into a military branch of the government who may start jailing/arresting protesters that they consider "terrorists," and I could definitely see the Dems not winning the presidency for at least the next 2 election cycles. Same thing for the Senate. On top of that, 99% of the tRump ass-licking, corporate press/media no longer care about truth or about fact--just about advertising buys=$$$$. Yes, Red states Governors/legislators will severely suppress or outright take away their right to remove him/them from office. As I also mentioned, how do we know that Russia or some other foreign entity might not play a role in our next big round of elections favoring the thuglicans?

SMDH, we are SO screwed

[Baitball Blogger]

19. I'm tired of hearing the same shit and we have no leaders in the Democratic party

to raise sufficient money to update machines in Democratic precincts.

Fucking useless.

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22. this is the major downside of having local control over elections

can national leaders give money to local Dems for this?

[Baitball Blogger]

25. Why are we the ones making the inquiry?

Who was in charge of the DNC?

D'oh. Nevermind.

But, why can't we correct our mistakes, now? Why am I hearing that Hillary could have won if we had reliable voting machines? Save the future, because the past has seriously fucked us over.

[SoCalMusicLover]

27. What Is Point Of Voting?

Besides of course to feed the media hype for 2+ years, and make us think we have a say in our government.

Seriously, if the future is predetermined, why even bother? Because it's a responsibility as a citizen? Hogwash.

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29. because if you don't vote, you don't get to complain about the outcome

[SoCalMusicLover]

33. Gotcha

So since I know that my vote is worthless, I should vote, and then I can complain that my vote is worthless, and the system is rigged.

THEN I can be ridiculed, called a conspiracy nut, and treated like a sore loser. Just swell.

Either way my vote does not count.

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39. The main thing is that we on the left do not vote, the right DEFINITELY wins

If we vote, sometimes we get to win.

we really do need to vote, as frustrating as it is.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

34. I understand those sentiments... but, that plays right into Rethug's hands. Obama should order an IMMEDIATE investigation and dare Donny Tiny Hands to oppose it!

[bucolic_frolic]

30. Joe Stalin always said

it's who counts the votes that is most important

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

35. The Fuhrer-Elect will make Stalin look like rank amateur!!

That Nazi fuck will prolly be responsible for gettin more people killed too!!

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38. oh god, I hope not.

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37. he was right...

[Coyotl]

40. The election was rigged, plain and simple. The number of ways is ever growing, it seems.

But this time they really had to steal a lot more votes than ever before.



The electoral college was stolen with surgical precision, just enough margin to not trigger recounts.



Does this look like a normal event?

[colsohlibgal]

41. Maybe Now The Democrats Will Fight

I again remember Al Franken back in his Air America days refusing to talk to callers about the theft of the 2000 election. His rationale was right with the democrats, they were afraid people would not bother voting if they thought it was rigged.

Hopefully this wakes them out of their stupor. Election after election where the results do not match the exit polls, always in favor of the conservative candidate or issue. The democrats have been like a bank that keeps getting robbed and accepts it.

Crosscheck, hackable voting machines, ridiculous voter ID standards.

Time to wake up and fight democrats and non crazy republicans.....be patriotic and help us stop or survive this disaster. I mean Russia did their part to get this loose cannon in office, c'mon.

As a bonus...the Neo Nazis and the Klan, etc, are encouraged, this vermin has crawled out of their hole. We are in danger of a Dystopian future.

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42. they really need to! I'm so freaking tired of Democrats getting kicked around by treasonous

fuckers like the GOP and their media cheerleaders.

We are the serious, honest grown up party who want to protect ALL Americans. Let's get some freaking respect.

Why is it so hard for Dem surrogates to stay on a unified attack on serious stuff like this? It's not a freaking game.

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43. to put it another way-- without GOP voter suppression, Hillary would have won...

no doubt.

Also, without the Comey announcement, Hillary would have won.

Without Russian hacking she would have won.

Etc