Russian Hackers? Rolling Stone magazine weighs in -

[jonno99]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/something-about-this-russia-story-stinks-w458439

[JHan]

1. They're in the process of disclosing information..

and I think our intelligence agencies are trying to be careful so as not to reveal sources or other details.

Yeah, we need full disclosure, but there's enough evidence pointing to russian interference- not that the story stinks FFS.

*The summary released yesterday was confirmation of what was already largely known among independent cybersecurity firms.

[BlueCaliDem]

2. Well, it's a story by Matt Taibbi who has been an outspoken critic of Democrats and Hillary Clinton

in particular. He has more negative things to say about Democrats than he does about Republicans. In fact, in this piece of his, it's pretty obvious that he's asserting that Democrats are lying about Russian hacks, countering President Obama's statements.

I'll trust President Obama and our intelligence community over Taibbi any day.

[jonno99]

5. I'm inclined to agree with you. However, as JHan eludes to above, I'll feel

more confident when we are provided some actual proof.

[LaydeeBug]

6. this.

[m-lekktor]

9. He went after Bush when he was president. He goes after those in power.

He isn't a partisan HACK.

[uponit7771]

21. In this story he's an OVERT hack with false equivalence and what he leaves out says more than

... what is printed.

There was little to NOTHING in the Iraq WMD meme that the public saw outside of what the Bush admin was saying.

In this case what is public and can be seen on youtube with Manafort, KingCons hack invitation (Tiabbi calls a "hope&quot , KingCons defending Putin during the debates, Russia ambassdor STATING the KingCon campaign was in contact with Russia and KingCons son's STATED financial ties to Russia

All that isn't some intel agency shit, that's straight up public knowledge... at BEST there's a connection with Russia and the Trump Campaign

Fuck Tiabbi, he's on watch no doubt

[Cha]

45. Yeah, he is.. I don't care if he went after bush.. who the hell wouldn't?

[Cha]

43. Oh hell NO.. I was just wondering who wrote it.. meanwhile Greenwald and

tucker Carlson trying to debunk on foxscrews.

Yeah, like anyone would believe those two tools.

They're enabling trump.


Jonathan Chait
✔ ‎@jonathanchait
Tucker Carlson and Glenn Greenwald unite to dismiss Russian hacking story http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/12/glenn-greenwald-tucker-carlson-unite-to-dismiss-russian-hacking-allegations.html …
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Aloha, BlueCali

[BlueCaliDem]

54. Aloha, Cha! Thanks for your comment. I agree with you, those two tools are busy normalizing tRump

and I'm certain they're being very well compensated to do so.

[baldguy]

53. +1000

[Lurks Often]

3. Wow, actual journalism!!! Must be a full moon AND a leap year!!!

[lapucelle]

7. Taibbi engaging in speculation is hardly journalism.

He's an Assange apologist engaging in face-saving theorizing to minimize his own role in Trump's election.

[m-lekktor]

8. Not everybody is falling in line!

uh oh.

[KittyWampus]

13. No, it's not journalism. It's Taibbi's fictional account of how things happened.

Written for the far left fringe.

[uponit7771]

22. +1

[Cha]

44. It's not journalism.. it's speculative bullshit.. enabling trump.

greenwald and tucker are doing the same on fox..


Jonathan Chait
✔ ‎@jonathanchait
Tucker Carlson and Glenn Greenwald unite to dismiss Russian hacking story http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/12/glenn-greenwald-tucker-carlson-unite-to-dismiss-russian-hacking-allegations.html …
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[Yurovsky]

4. It will be interesting to see...

what all comes out of this. I have no way of knowing what all the Russians were up to and if the GOP cooperated. But I would like all the facts to come out sooner rather than later.

[SidDithers]

10. Oh, it's Taibbi...

Might as well be Greenwald.

Sid

[uponit7771]

18. Yeap, read the article ... Tiabbi leaves out a bunch of shit in his false ass'd equivalence to Iraq

... war intel as if the American public didn't see or hear Trumps defending Putin over US intel, didn't hear Trump invite (Taibbi calls it "hoping" for a hack) a Russian hack and didn't see Manaforts or Don Jr's ... TANGIBLE... ties to Putin.

There was little or NOT public evidence of WMD's in Iraq... nothing for the US public to go on other than some made up stories by the Bush admin.

The stories about KingCon can be seen on fuckin youtube coming from his own damn mouth.

Fuck Tiabbi

[still_one]

35. It is bullshit, and him trying to equate it to the WMDs in Iraq story somehow makes his point valid,

is laughable at best, and just bad reporting at its worst, because he is letting his personal bias influence the story

[Cha]

46. Like greenwald and tucker trying to debunk it on foxscrews?..

Jonathan Chait
✔ ‎@jonathanchait
Tucker Carlson and Glenn Greenwald unite to dismiss Russian hacking story http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/12/glenn-greenwald-tucker-carlson-unite-to-dismiss-russian-hacking-allegations.html …
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[BainsBane]

52. He has zero credibility with me

I'll wait for the declassified report to be released.

[UCmeNdc]

11. Well it is easy to find out. Put Donald Trump and Roger Stone under a security investigation.

A Full background check. Have them testify to congress under oath.

[jonno99]

12. Works for me. nt

[spin]

14. While I feel it is quite possbile that Russia did hack the DNC and ...

John Podesta I am a little hesitant to accept everything our intelligence agencies say as gospel truth.

Does anybody remember James Clapper?

[Ken Burch]

15. "The Rolling Stone"?

For a second there, I thought Mick and Keith had been doing some investigative work on this.

[jonno99]

19. You're right -

I couldn't put my finger on why it looked odd.

Anyway, it's fixed - thx

[Ken Burch]

20. No Probs.

n/t.

[NBachers]

28. Charlie's gone undercover and is getting ready to blow the lid off the whole thing.

[uponit7771]

16. FUCK TIABBI, No Mention of Benedict Donald inviting Russia to hack and the tangible ties between

... Russia and Benedict Donald's crew just "dubious" mentions of some shit related to less than a handful of stories.

There is WAY ... WAY more to the Russia hack KingCon connection than there was to WMD and Iraq that the PUBLIC knows of... shit we can see !!!

SHIT THEY ADMITTED TO!!!

Fuck TIABBI, what he leaves out speaks louder than what he wrote

P.S. TIABBI says Trump "hoped" Russia would hack the emails or reviel them... as if the "hope" statement wasn't an invite as a premise.

Fuck Tiabbi...

[triron]

17. good post

shows some courage to say what the main stream wants to hide.

[blue neen]

23. Yep.

Taibbi used this "article" to prop up Intercept by trying to use it as a credible source. If it's associated with Greenwald these days, it's not credible.

He also found time to throw in some dubious comments about media coverage of Assange.

Talk about propaganda...

[uponit7771]

24. What's up with these guys?! They all seem left leaning anti government...

[blue neen]

25. I dunno, but it sure seems like a coordinated effort at dividing Democrats.

Taibbi's article was really weak sauce, making an enormous false equivalency between alleged WMD's in Iraq and actual proof of the Russians hacking our election.

[uponit7771]

31. +1, or giving hope to KGOP that we are divided ... we're not, just pissed about the treason and

... the lack of response.

That's the only thing I see Tiabbi made a point about; that swinging an election like this calls for some Russian shit to blow up but I'm on the losing side of the bet so maybe I'm biased

[Cha]

47. Really.. why is he enabling trump with all this shoddy reporting?

What the hell is his agenda?

[uponit7771]

50. Some of these guys want access, that's what happened with Hitler but in the US there are too

... many minorities to let the M$M continue normalizing KingCon

[Nick Otean]

26. Speaking of stories that stink

http://www.wsj.com/articles/rolling-stone-found-liable-in-defamation-trial-over-rape-on-campus-article-1478284464

[lapucelle]

27. Amazing to hear Taibbi parroting Trump's twitter talking point.

Reminds me of pigs lining up at a trough.

[uponit7771]

32. +1

[Cha]

48. Yeah, wth.. why is taibbi enabling monster trump?

[Warren DeMontague]

29. Rolling Stone, that font of journalistic integrity

just ask "Haven Monahan".

[Snackshack]

30. Thanks for the link.

Good read.

[uponit7771]

33. Horrible read, false equivalencies and omissions as if we never knew about Manafort

[Snackshack]

36. Ok.

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I get it. You don't like Taibbi. You are free to your opinion. I don't share that opinion.

I do not always agree with him. There are times I wish he would be more assertive/ inclusive (when factual proof exists) but overall I appreciate his use of words, avoidance of speculation/ presumption in emotionally charged topics, his writing in general.

After reading his articles concerning the 2008 financial collapse, his relentless pursuit of Goldman (The Vampire Squid) Sachs. His books "Griftopia", "The Divide". I find him to be a fairly even handed author and can overlook his occasional tepidity.

[uponit7771]

37. Don't know Tiabbi not to like him but know false equivalencies when I see them. He might have

... some notches but this aint one of them.

There's nothing about this that is like Iraq WMD, the pubic record on this issue is damning itself

[still_one]

34. No surprise Matt Taibbi would join the Hillary haters, Glen Greenwald and Jill Stein in defending

Russia.

Effectively, what they all are saying is that Harry Reid, President Obama, and those in Congress who have actually seen the data, are liars.

Taibbi is basing his argument on the bush administration pushing the WMD lie. Using that logic, I could say that since Rolling Stone massively screwed up the University of Virginia rape story, why should I trust anything that comes from that magazine?

Does Mr. Taibbi have evidence that the Russians were not involved in influencing our election, or is he just basing it on the WMD fiasco?

Effectively, Taibbi is taking the same position as Trump, that the FBI and CIA are wrong. Not surprisingly, both Trump and Taibbi have not even seen what the FBI and CIA have, they are just talking out of their ass. The same goes with Greenwald, and Jill Stein, similar bullshit arguments.

[uponit7771]

38. Yes, and the false equivalencies out the whole article and the lack of mentioning the obvious...

.. business ties do to.

[still_one]

40. Saw your post above and you are absolutely right

[LenaBaby61]

39. No surprise Matt Taibbi would join the Hillary haters, Glen Greenwald and Jill Stein in defending.

+1,000

[Cha]

49. Yeah, matt taibbi joining greenwald and tucker on foxscrews to enable trump..

Jonathan Chait
✔ ‎@jonathanchait
Tucker Carlson and Glenn Greenwald unite to dismiss Russian hacking story http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/12/glenn-greenwald-tucker-carlson-unite-to-dismiss-russian-hacking-allegations.html …
12:15 PM - 29 Dec 2016
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We're suppose to trust trump, taibbi, greenwald, and tucker over what the FBI, CIA, and the Obama Admin have investigated and come up with..

'Cause they just know

Link to declassified document with evidence of Russian hacking.

https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296A_GRIZZLY%20STEPPE-2016-1229.pdf

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8411799

[betsuni]

41. Taibbi, like Cenk Uygur -- used to like before infected with false equivalency disease.

They're so emotional. No, dears, the current administration is nothing like the Bush administration. Totally different people. I understand when non-Americans who don't follow American politics think all American governments are equally bad, but they were here, awake, heads off the desk. It started with Snowden/Greenwald, this disease. I hope there is a cure someday.

[kcr]

42. Typical Matt Taibbi n/t

[marlakay]

51. I've met Matt in person

After following campaigns around last 8 years it has affected him all the fake and phony people out there.

I saw him 2 years ago so it was before this last campaign. I think he is pretty burnt out on how journalism is treated in this country.