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Related: About this forumDemocrats Joining G.O.P. on Pipeline
President Obama is finding himself increasingly boxed in on the Keystone pipeline fight as more Congressional Democrats are joining Republicans in backing the project, which has strong labor support and could generate significant numbers of jobs in economically hard-hit states.
On Wednesday, the House passed a short-term transportation bill that included a provision that would pave the way for the construction of the next stage of the oil pipeline, a measure that Mr. Obama has said he would veto. The bill passed 293 to 127, with 69 Democrats supporting it.
It is the fourth time the House has passed a measure to expedite the project; one failed narrowly in the Senate only after Mr. Obama personally lobbied some Democrats to vote no. With the House vote, Mr. Obama finds himself, for the first time in his presidency, threatening a veto on a significant piece of legislation that enjoys the support of an increasing number of Democrats, as well as the vast majority of Republicans in Congress.
With gas prices sticking near $4 a gallon, unemployment high in many states and demonstrable support for the project in numerous polls, many Democrats especially those from states where pipelines are commonplace are beginning to sound almost indistinguishable from Speaker John A. Boehner, who called Mr. Obama increasingly isolated in his opposition to expanding the project.
Representative Dennis Cardoza, a California Democrat who voted for the House measure, said he would be happy to vote to override a veto if needed. He said: I think the president has made a very serious mistake here. Im still supporting the president. But we have to do whats right.
full: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/20/us/politics/democrats-join-gop-on-pipeline-vote.html
w4rma
(31,700 posts)enable these oil companies to sell the oil on the global market, rather than forcing some of it to be sold in the U.S.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,295 posts)The pipeline is intended to transport crude (from Canada, remember - their alternative is to export to countries other than the US as crude, or refine it themselves; both of which, I presume, wouldn't make them as much profit). But if your aim is to get them to pipe the crude into the US, and for it to be sold as refined products in the US, you'd need to build a new inland refinery.
Also, increased exports of refined gasoline from the US will depress the gasoline price globally, which will depress the price in the US too.
LiberalFighter
(50,855 posts)Is why it is necessary to allow access thru the USA via a permanent structure that only they can use? It's a Canadian product. Either have it transported to one of their coastal locations or use the railroad through the USA which is not dedicated to just Canadian oil products.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,295 posts)For a large amount of oil, it's cheaper to build a pipeline (and uses less fuel in transporting it than by rail). It's also cheaper, it seems, to build a pipeline to the southern US rather than a Canadian port that can handle large tankers.
msongs
(67,387 posts)that should be the basis for objection.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)I can guess the Dem's now have much more in their coffers for reelection campaigns. Screw the rest of us as long as they "got theirs". This is idiocy!
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,402 posts)with friends like these.................
Wasn't the jobs estimate on this project overestimated? Nobody can wait for the EPA to finish their environmental review? The environmental consequences of the pipeline and the people whom reside around it will be there LONG after the influx of jobs (which are mostly temporary) are gone and, as we know, the oil and gas companies always seem to be having *problems* with their pipelines, refineries, etc. The pipeline will also have no discernible effect on gas prices as the oil won't be mandated to be sold here in the US unless, as another poster pointed out, we build a new refinery here and Congress makes it so (ha-ha). There *should* be nothing wrong with asking them to wait until the EPA finishes their review and determines whether or not the pipeline is going to be harmful to the environment. I know, of course, Republican Ferengi Alliance doesn't care one wit about the environment and would gut the Earth from the inside out if profit could be had but any self-respecting Democrat should know better IMHO.
It may be "popular" project but that doesn't make it good.
littlewolf
(3,813 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)WV Democrat 59
(6 posts)West Virginia Democrats are in-need of a real Democratic Senatorial Candidate. A lot of us are quiet disappointed with Senator Joe Manchin who has shown us that he is closely aligned with the Republican Party and their views. On several occasions Manchin has voted with the Republicans in the Senate, If Manchin wants to be a Republican, than he should join the Republican Party. Manchin recently told the Associated Press that hes not sure that he would give his vote to President Obama meaning that he (Manchin) could vote for the most-likely Republican Presidential Nominee Mitt Rommey whos plans for fixing America is to keep tax cuts for the wealthiest American, while reducing government deficits by cutting money for health care for the poor and disabled and big cuts to nuts-and-bolts functions such as food inspection, border security and education. If these are the principals that Senator Manchin supports then he is no friend to West Virginia Democrats and we should work hard to find his replacement.
A West Virginia Democrat
Marzupialis
(398 posts)"Some Democrats" would be an apt title. The MSM loves short, shocking titles.
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