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busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 01:49 PM Aug 2013

Jesus Christ..Enough of the anti-Obama NSA Spying issue..

Last edited Sat Aug 17, 2013, 05:59 PM - Edit history (1)

We’ve got a bunch of extremist nuts out there who are determined to bring down our govt. and country..
They continue lying about Benghazi. the IRS made up bullshit, and the Affordable Healthcare Act... more importantly they are passing incredible discriminatory voting laws in practically every state they control

Everyday we are beginning to see clips of constituents who are beginning to go after these crazy bastards.. Granted there are only a few but we never ever saw these guys challenged before.

If we loose the House, Senate and White House the damage done might be irreversible for decades.
Illegal Spying will become far worse if these crazy bastards win at the polls in the next election cycles.

We need to get back to the basics and start addressing these liars with every bit of strength we possess.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/16/dan-webster-mocked_n_3769354.html?ref=topbar

Update: The shit just goes on and on. So fast that we can not keep up with it..
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-panel-withheld-document-on-nsa-surveillance-program-from-members/2013/08/16/944e728e-0672-11e3-9259-e2aafe5a5f84_story.html?hpid=z1

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Jesus Christ..Enough of the anti-Obama NSA Spying issue.. (Original Post) busterbrown Aug 2013 OP
I agree. BlueDemKev Aug 2013 #1
you can always hide posts with "NSA" in the title and *poof*DU is "anti-Obama NSA Spying issue" free corkhead Aug 2013 #2
That would be too difficult 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #12
Why should s/he hide them and let exaggerated, hyperbolic, or trollish posts go unopposed? pnwmom Aug 2013 #13
You mean the exaggerated, hyperbolic, trollish posts that come from MAJOR NEWS SOURCES? Th1onein Aug 2013 #15
Benghaaaazzziiii!!!!!! LuvLoogie Aug 2013 #3
Benghaaaazzziiii!!!!!! Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #17
I wonder if our Democratic leaders are aware of this situation? Autumn Aug 2013 #4
disgustingly manipulative "advice" grasswire Aug 2013 #7
And THAT is a good reason why the surveillance state should be reigned in, East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #8
Whats disgusting is that republicans will win. Sooner or later Autumn Aug 2013 #10
Yes, that's the way I read your comment above. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #20
Your advice & solution Caretha Aug 2013 #56
I can't understand the shut up and quit talking about this stuff meme. Autumn Aug 2013 #58
Your question is quite intriguing Caretha Aug 2013 #65
I think the flaw in your assumption sulphurdunn Aug 2013 #22
Quite true, the surveillance state transcends the politicians who come RKP5637 Aug 2013 #30
Well they certainly have’nt taken his advice yet... busterbrown Aug 2013 #35
Let me remind you who the hell we’re up against... busterbrown Aug 2013 #36
+1 tallahasseedem Aug 2013 #5
Amen brother skydive forever Aug 2013 #6
+1 nt No Vested Interest Aug 2013 #24
Odd that you invoke Jesus zeemike Aug 2013 #9
Ironically, Jesus may be monitoring your every move and thought as we speak bhikkhu Aug 2013 #19
Yep, by some accounts. zeemike Aug 2013 #23
Obama needs ALL of us, to support him in "doing the right thing" 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author bhikkhu Aug 2013 #18
So we don’t support his stance on the NSA Issue..Which I agree is huge... busterbrown Aug 2013 #38
That's how a protection racket works. You know that. right? 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #39
Dealing with a protection racket is much more feasible than reasoning with the Criminally busterbrown Aug 2013 #42
You make some good points. Let the "purge" begin. 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #43
Keep in mind that I do not take this spying crap lightly.. busterbrown Aug 2013 #46
I hear you. eom 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #47
Until disidoro01 Aug 2013 #52
Oh, great, bring "Him" into it. Like we haven't got enough people listening in already. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2013 #14
LOL! deurbano Aug 2013 #16
Jesus Christ... enough of conflating "NSA spying" with "anti-Obama". winter is coming Aug 2013 #21
We Will Have To Agree To Disagree cantbeserious Aug 2013 #25
It is possible to be critical of one's own side while still fighting the other team. leveymg Aug 2013 #26
Who said one couldn’t disagree.. busterbrown Aug 2013 #28
I'd rather save the constitution than the Democratic party Defectata Aug 2013 #27
+1 L0oniX Aug 2013 #29
Great well you can come back and tell us that when the lunatics busterbrown Aug 2013 #31
plus one questionseverything Aug 2013 #34
wait, did you just say Obama and Jesus were different persons?! MisterP Aug 2013 #32
Of Course...One is from Kenya the other is from.....Where the hell is he from? busterbrown Aug 2013 #33
Suppose if I told you that I believe . . . Jack Rabbit Aug 2013 #37
Where in the post did I mention the fact that I supported Obama’s NSA policies? busterbrown Aug 2013 #40
I'd be delighted to hear that I was mistaken Jack Rabbit Aug 2013 #45
Thank you Caretha Aug 2013 #57
Articulate might be a word appropriately used when having a conversation with one who is connected busterbrown Aug 2013 #62
Most of us Caretha Aug 2013 #64
You see if the" boogey man" represents cutbacks to your S.S. and Medicare... busterbrown Aug 2013 #66
And this is what those crazies inherit from us...capabilities beyond their wildest dreams. dkf Aug 2013 #41
Vote for Rand Paul then... busterbrown Aug 2013 #44
Why can't I vote for a Ron Wyden type? dkf Aug 2013 #59
I’m all in on Wyden... busterbrown Aug 2013 #60
You want us to stop infighting?!!?!?!?! bravenak Aug 2013 #48
If it helps us eliminate insanity from govt.. You bet I do!1 busterbrown Aug 2013 #49
Me too.nt bravenak Aug 2013 #50
I see the talking points have been distributed to all the paid posters BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #51
Things are pretty rough financially lately.. busterbrown Aug 2013 #53
I get mine in gold ingots Whisp Aug 2013 #54
Republicans are enjoying this Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #55
But, but, but Rand Paul 201611!! Assange said so.. greenwald Cha Aug 2013 #61
We wouldn't lie to you, blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #63
Make us do it. nt bemildred Aug 2013 #67

BlueDemKev

(3,003 posts)
1. I agree.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 02:20 PM
Aug 2013

I'm not thrilled that Obama has continued the Bush policy of the government "supervising" our phone calls, emails, etc., although I'm NOT the least bit surprised that he has. Our country changed on Sept. 11, 2001 and it will never be exactly the same again.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
12. That would be too difficult
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 03:49 PM
Aug 2013

It's apparently easier to huff&puff, and complain endlessly about
"Snowden-lovers" with snarky comments.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
15. You mean the exaggerated, hyperbolic, trollish posts that come from MAJOR NEWS SOURCES?
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:02 PM
Aug 2013

The ones that come from the Washington Post, Reuters, and the Guardian. That are followed through by Forbes, and other major news outlets? THOSE posts?

Or did you mean the ones that are trying to convey to anyone and everyone that is OKAY to spy on Americans because Obama is president now?

I'm confused. Please set this straight.

Autumn

(44,980 posts)
4. I wonder if our Democratic leaders are aware of this situation?
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 02:37 PM
Aug 2013

If they are maybe they should put on their thinking caps and get a handle on it and take the NSA Spying issue out of the equation. Easy enough to do. If they don't, I think the blame would fall right on their shoulders if we loose the House, Senate and the White House. This isn't going away.

But on the bright side Skinner has given you the tools so that you don't have to deal with the unpleasantness of it all.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
7. disgustingly manipulative "advice"
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 03:11 PM
Aug 2013

Tell me this: whose fault will it be if Dems take your advice but Republicans win anyway and have the reins of the all-powerful surveillance state in their hands?

 

East Coast Pirate

(775 posts)
8. And THAT is a good reason why the surveillance state should be reigned in,
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 03:21 PM
Aug 2013

not made more powerful by a Democratic administration.

Republicans win anyway and have the reins of the all-powerful surveillance state in their hands?

Autumn

(44,980 posts)
10. Whats disgusting is that republicans will win. Sooner or later
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 03:26 PM
Aug 2013

they will have the reins of the all-powerful surveillance state in their hands. That's history. No one can be naive enough to think that Democrats will hold power for all time. It just doesn't work that way.

Try reading, my "advice" was that the Democrats take the NSA out of the equation, do away with it. As to who's fault it will be, the fault will lie on the party that did nothing to stop it.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
20. Yes, that's the way I read your comment above.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:15 PM
Aug 2013

However, the Dems in Power (the DIPs) seem to have no clue, and show little evidence of getting one.

Autumn

(44,980 posts)
58. I can't understand the shut up and quit talking about this stuff meme.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 10:54 PM
Aug 2013

The republicans aren't going anywhere. I doubt they are suddenly going become reasonable. They WILL have this power, more than likely in 2016. This isn't about Obama or the Senate and Congress election. This is the only chance we have to turn this back.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
65. Your question is quite intriguing
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:46 AM
Aug 2013

Autumn. My take is when the Democratic tent became so big and all the "Reaganite Republicans" rushed to join and call themselves "Democrats", that they became one in name only. They did not drop their true ideals or their authoritarian mentality. It's very hard to change your stripes, you know.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
22. I think the flaw in your assumption
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:23 PM
Aug 2013

is that the power of the surveillance state has anything to do with which political party is in the majority. Their is simply nothing to suggest it does

RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
30. Quite true, the surveillance state transcends the politicians who come
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:57 PM
Aug 2013

and go and seemingly has little accountability, even denying presidents information saying they do not have a 'need to know.' And one day some will probably be surprised when the surveillance state becomes the government.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
35. Well they certainly have’nt taken his advice yet...
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 05:10 PM
Aug 2013

In fact they are doing the opposite...Trying not to stir the pot...

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
9. Odd that you invoke Jesus
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 03:24 PM
Aug 2013

Because in his time I am sure that there were those that said "enough of this criticize of the Pharisees, don't you know the Romans are the real enemy"
But he did not STFU so I guess he was wrong eh?....and they were justified in shutting him up for good.

bhikkhu

(10,711 posts)
19. Ironically, Jesus may be monitoring your every move and thought as we speak
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:15 PM
Aug 2013

That guy is worse than Santa Claus, by some accounts!

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
23. Yep, by some accounts.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:28 PM
Aug 2013

And those same people think that it is a good thing to do that because it keeps us safe from ourselves...never know when we might be tempted to think something bad.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
11. Obama needs ALL of us, to support him in "doing the right thing"
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 03:47 PM
Aug 2013

which does NOT include creating a draconian 100%-saturation Surveillance & Security State.

That's the long & short of it for me.

Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #11)

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
39. That's how a protection racket works. You know that. right?
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 05:25 PM
Aug 2013

If you don't see it, and do it, OUR way, well then, "I can't guarantee your safety anymore"

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
42. Dealing with a protection racket is much more feasible than reasoning with the Criminally
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 05:39 PM
Aug 2013

Insane...
There are thousands of kids in this country who are in the same situation as this poor kid..
No, we’re a fighting a different kind of war now...I’m all in on it. Will do what i can to purge these
insane criminals from our govt.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
43. You make some good points. Let the "purge" begin.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 05:43 PM
Aug 2013

being mindful of not wanting a witch hunt, but just simple justice and fairness, and
integrity with constitution.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
46. Keep in mind that I do not take this spying crap lightly..
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 05:50 PM
Aug 2013

I’m all in on getting it completely under control...But I have my eye on something else right now..

disidoro01

(302 posts)
52. Until
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 06:23 PM
Aug 2013

Dems get there eye on other things too, the party will continue to shed supporters and rightly so.

Get you eyes on the Drone program which is now firing missiles right and left it seems and has killed thousands of civilians. Do you think it's ok to label all men between the ages of 17 and 60 as terrorists?

Get you eye on wall street and big banks, what the hell happened to bring those responsible for the recession to justice?

There are more but these two issues are huge for me.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
21. Jesus Christ... enough of conflating "NSA spying" with "anti-Obama".
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:19 PM
Aug 2013

NSA spying is wrong, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise to protect any politician who chooses to make excuses for it. "Don't point out stuff that makes us look bad" is a Republican mindset.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
26. It is possible to be critical of one's own side while still fighting the other team.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:45 PM
Aug 2013

There's no inherent contradiction here. So, please, stop telling us to shut up.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
28. Who said one couldn’t disagree..
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:52 PM
Aug 2013

But which is more important? Pinning the NSA mess on Obama or preventing these lunatics from taking over our govt. legally?

By the way “shut up” was never mentioned in the original text..

Defectata

(83 posts)
27. I'd rather save the constitution than the Democratic party
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:49 PM
Aug 2013

Obama is the chief executive, and reigning in the NSA falls on him.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
31. Great well you can come back and tell us that when the lunatics
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:57 PM
Aug 2013

defund Obamacare privatize S.S. and voucher out Medicare.. And thats only the beginning..

By the way I could care less about the Dem Party.. I care about the human condition...and I will support any party old or new which cares about humanity....

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
34. plus one
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 05:06 PM
Aug 2013

but hopefully we can save both...all the dems needs to do is follow wydens lead and fix this,it would give dems something to be proud of and that would get out the vote and we would pick up a few tea party "constitutionalists" too

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
37. Suppose if I told you that I believe . . .
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 05:18 PM
Aug 2013
  • I believe the Benghazi and IRS "scandals" were largely the invention of Darrell Issa's active imagination;
  • The Affordable Care Act, while not perfect, is a good start toward solving the problems of America's failed experiment with free market solutions for public health;
  • Discriminatory voter ID laws such as those passed recently in North Carolina and Texas are un-American and that the federal government take all measures necessary to restore voting rights in those states, up to and including sending federal troops into those states to prevent implementation of racist acts of the state legislatures.

That you would believe that I am on your side. As far as that goes, you would be right.

Perhaps you even agree with me that:
  • Mortgage fraud committed by banks against consumers should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and that we're not talking about prosecuting artificial persons but the actual flesh-and-blood human beings who designed, approved and implemented systemic fraud;
  • A large corporate campaign contribution is an implicit bribe and that acts of Congress should reflect that simple fact rather than attempt to draw a distinction where there is none;
  • All violations of the Geneva Conventions are also violations of US law and that members of the Bush Junta, including Messrs. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, should therefore be tried in federal court for torture, rendition and willfully launching a war against a sovereign state with fabricated evidence and claims of a casus belli.


I also believe, though apparently you do not, that
  • The collection of so-called metadata from private communications companies of the calls made by private American citizens, calls received by private American citizens and the duration of each call is spying and a violation of Fourth Amendment, in and of itself, and that no amount of "reform" in terms of so-called safeguards or oversight can bring it within what the Fourth Amendment will allow;
  • If the government feels a need for such information, the Fourth Amendment allows it to take out search warrants naming the specific individuals and items to be searched;
  • Several articles of the Bill of Rights collectively disallow secret laws, secret interpretations of any law, secret trials, secret evidence or a gag order so broad as prohibit the subject of an investigation from speaking to his attorney about it.


In other words, I believe that we had a long list of grievances against the Bush Junta that, contrary to implicit or explicit promises made by Senator Obama prior to his election as President in 2008, have not been sufficiently addressed and that, therefore, the American people have legitimate grievances on these same matters with the Obama Administration.

Yes, I am aware of the danger to American democracy posed by those elements the far right wing now in control of the Republican Party. I certainly approve of public pushback by sane people against congressmen serving the interests of what I believe can be called fascism: unbridled corporate greed, not only unopposed by the federal and state governments but assisted by them to include stifling of public dissent against it and the systematic disenfranchisement of voters likely to vote for candidates who oppose it; that this can only exist in the context of a police state that should be opposed by the public with any means necessary to snuff it out. I also believe that a kinder, gentler police state is still a police state and should be resisted by the public through any means necessary. Consequently, domestic spying by the government on the people as a whole, whether as implemented by the Bush Junta or as reformed by the Obama Administration, cannot be reformed; it is unacceptable. It must be dismantled.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
40. Where in the post did I mention the fact that I supported Obama’s NSA policies?
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 05:28 PM
Aug 2013

At this point we have an issues that is unprecedented in recent times....Lunacy!!

The link below illustrates exactly what I’m talking about.

I’m just suggesting that we all must remember what we are dealing with..Extraordinary measures
for extraordinary circumstances.


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/17/tennessee-republican-tells-girl-her-father-has-to-be-deported-as-tea-party-crowd-cheers/

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
45. I'd be delighted to hear that I was mistaken
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 05:47 PM
Aug 2013

However, I would still say that Obama's NSA policies are just another symptom of unprecedented lunacy in recent times that must be opposed vigorously and unrelentingly.

BTW, I just put a brief, sad note on that thread.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
57. Thank you
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 10:39 PM
Aug 2013

thank you, thank you. You have articulated everything a true Democrat believes. You have succinctly, liberally and intelligently put many things into perspective and spoken the truth.

All other posts regarding these issues are just noise.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
62. Articulate might be a word appropriately used when having a conversation with one who is connected
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:48 AM
Aug 2013

with reality..The people who are trying to shut our govt, down and are all in on destroying the economic and social fabric of our country can not be reasoned with..
Well written verse articulating why we as progressives must entirely focus on Obama’s role in the NSA
spying scandal might be valid in normal times..But dear lady all bets are off when you are dealing
with the clinically insane... These people are filled with vile and hate and must be dealt with appropriately and quickly..All eyes and arms must now be focused on the upcoming election cycles..
For if we loose the House,Senate and Presidency our country will be paralyzed for several decades.

Your comments concerning all other posts being invalid does not help our situation..

In the meantime please remind yourself how much out of touch and cruel these people are, please watch the attached link..http://www.occupydemocrats.com/watch-tea-party-crowd-cheer-as-gop-rep-tells-young-girl-her-father-must-be-deported/

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
64. Most of us
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:28 AM
Aug 2013

Last edited Sun Aug 18, 2013, 10:06 AM - Edit history (1)

can still chew gum & talk & walk at the same time.

Your post to me has nothing to do with my comments regarding Jack Rabbit's post, which incidently was not about shutting the "government down", nor did he state anywhere or suggest that "progressives must entirely focus on Obama's role in the NSA spying scandal" <-----your words.

Your attempt to pull out the ol' boogey man and by using hyperbolic phrases like,

For if we loose the House,Senate and Presidency our country will be paralyzed for several decades.
does nothing to bolster your argument.

You have demonstrated exactly what I ended my last post with perfectly -

All other posts regarding these issues are just noise.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
66. You see if the" boogey man" represents cutbacks to your S.S. and Medicare...
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 12:30 PM
Aug 2013

your attitude might be a little different.. Or if you were a teacher or a public sector job worker and after several decades of working your guts out,, come to find out that your pension is no more...I just wonder if you would still be conflating these type of issues with a “boogeyman”.

Sounds to me like you are pretty well settled in and can watch from the bleachers!!

Yea, NSA spying crap is an issue all right, but it is a fact that if “boogeyman” gets a hold of the NSA, by
then it will be too late...

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
41. And this is what those crazies inherit from us...capabilities beyond their wildest dreams.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 05:37 PM
Aug 2013

If we don't expose and stop it now IT NEVER ENDS.

And YOU will be complicit for trying to bury it.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
44. Vote for Rand Paul then...
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 05:45 PM
Aug 2013

Or don’t vote at all... If what would happened next is a teabagger House a Republican Senate and a Christie Presidency...I wonder who would then be complicit..

No, I’ll take a stance against the NSA bullshit.. But I’m aimed at something more important right now..

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
59. Why can't I vote for a Ron Wyden type?
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 10:55 PM
Aug 2013

I really hope Howard Dean comes down in the right side of this issue.

BeyondGeography

(39,346 posts)
51. I see the talking points have been distributed to all the paid posters
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 06:18 PM
Aug 2013


Have you arranged for direct deposit yet?

& Rec

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
53. Things are pretty rough financially lately..
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 06:26 PM
Aug 2013

I’m just wondering...
“It simply amazes me how the so called Liberals on D.U. care so much .....”
How’s that..??

Cha

(296,846 posts)
61. But, but, but Rand Paul 201611!! Assange said so.. greenwald
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:10 AM
Aug 2013

no doubt agrees. and you know snowden wants it so. Believing rand doesn't fall very far from daddy ron's tree. He'll be cheering behind pooty's pants.

Those three are always whining about President Obama so it only follows that their fans would reguritate the same.

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