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The Jabhat al Nusra fought Americans in Iraq. They want to establish an Islamist state in Syria. (Original Post) DhhD Sep 2013 OP
i think the time for talking is passed madrchsod Sep 2013 #1
I don't think they will John2 Sep 2013 #2
We could very well have had regime change WITHOUT the Islamist thugs being a problem. AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #3
Remember Libya ? jakeXT Sep 2013 #4

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
1. i think the time for talking is passed
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 05:41 PM
Sep 2013

there`s no way to put the genie back into the bottle unless iran,iraq,and the rest of the players call a truce.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
2. I don't think they will
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 06:07 PM
Sep 2013

call a truce. These guys are thieves, murderers and liars. Who is laughing at whom? They have been trying to get the U.S. to give them air cover ever since the War begin. They threaten any civilian who doesn't submitt to them and many civilians flee, except the religious fanatics probably. These guys loot the country like barbarians and they are being payed to destroy Syria as a State.

That is the main interests of Israel and the U.S. It is to weaken Syria for an attack on Iran. It is all part of regime change. It has backfired on them. What ever Syrian soldiers were bribed by Saudi Arabia, Qatar or Turkey has already left the Syrian Army. I'm pretty sure General Idriss has been paid bery well to desert. Once a desserter, always one. As a soldier, I would never break my oath to my country against an enemy. Idriss is the worst kind of soldier you can have and a traitor to his country. He is a coward.

I do not see any explicit proof, Syrian soldiers murdered innocent civilians. If civilians took up arms against their country, then they become combatants. The rebels can't have it both ways calling civilians loyal to Assad Loyalists. They are still killing innocent civilians which the U.S. and Western media is silent on. Most o9f the deaths that are sourced, have been civilian Deaths committed by the rebels, not the Syrian Army. The rebels have also claimed they killed more Syrian soldiers than the soldiers killed fighters.

Also, when the Syrian Army has given casualty counts for the dead, they killed, many of the names have been foreigners and not Syrian civilians. These names have been fighters coming from over 42 countries and a couple have even came from the United States, but Obama and the rebels always focus on Hezbullah and Iran. Out of over two years of War, the rebels have killed only 145 Hezbullah fighters and about 15 Irananian advisors. Yet people believe the propaganda by the rebels, about the Syrian Army lasting because they are being propped up by Iran and Hezbullah. The numbers don't add up, and any smart person can see right through these lies. These guys are psychopaths. A number of them were broken out of prisons. Think about John McCain appearing with one of the kidnappers, when he illegally entered Syria. So who is getting played, the rebels, Israel or the Obama Administration, being advised by McCain and John Kerry? Obama has fallen for that regime change nonsense of the Bush neocons. He has thrown the Liberal Left under the bus.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
3. We could very well have had regime change WITHOUT the Islamist thugs being a problem.
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 01:23 AM
Sep 2013

But the BushCo guys made that quite fucking difficult, if not damn near impossible. Assad himself is a crooked puppet of TPTB.....so's Putin, btw. As are the mullahs in Iran. If you knew what I've come to understand over the years............

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