2016 Postmortem
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Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Kerry keeps claiming he and Hagel opposed the Iraq war from the start but they both voted for it and said there were WMDs and Saddam brought the war on himself and Saddam must be deposed and all manner of war hype.
An honest case is never made by lying men.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)we should try to do that. I like the idea of Congress linking all of this to cooperation from Syria and Russia on eliminating the gas.
OTOH, it sure seems that Russia and Syria were very quick to agree to that. I doubt that we can trust them to follow through.
flpoljunkie
(26,184 posts)Just heard from MSNBC's Chuck Todd. Senators Schumer and McCain will apparently be authorizing the resolution.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)This is not good.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)If there is an opportunity to pressure Russia and Syria to cooperate at least a little on eliminating those weapons, we have to take that opportunity. And there must be a credible threat in order to do that.
The Russian gambit would make me MUCH more likely to support a resolution to attack. However, I would fight like hell to make it as narrow as possible. It doesn't have to be an open-ended invitation to full-out war in order to keep the pressure on. Broad Congressional support of a very narrow resolution would send the message that these guys had better follow through with the elimination of those weapons because Congress can always come back later and authorize something much more painful.
I would link the authorization very specifically to the elimination of those weapons.
flpoljunkie
(26,184 posts)The Russian blueprint also won backing from China, which has resisted Western calls for military action against Syria but said on Tuesday that it supported Moscows vow to avert an American strike.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/11/world/middleeast/syrian-chemical-arsenal.html?hp&_r=0
Arkana
(24,347 posts)then yes, I would vote to authorize the use of force--mostly because I trust Obama's foreign policy team to utilize it as an absolute last resort.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Can't claim to have read them all. But they tend to be open ended, and/or not have enough demand for diplomatic action unfront. They also tend to avoid self closing if enough things change.