2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWill Chris Christie's "I'm an Asshole" Persona Sell Outside NJ?
I really can't stand this guy. I'm amazed that he's popular anywhere. He appears to be the front runner for 2016. Should I be worried or relieved?
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)1 - Worried: he really would have a good chance of winning. He blows a hole right in the middle of the Northeast if he runs. His "persona" would be red meat to the Republicans.
2 - Relieved: a Republican will win the WH sooner or later. There's worse than Christie. Between Cruz and Christie, I'll take Christie.
ZX86
(1,428 posts)will sell with rural redneckism that populates most of today's current Republican party?
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)Where I live is Tea Party central here in NJ, represented by one Scott Garrett, a hardcore member of that vomitacious bunch. Believe me, they love Christie here.
Christie has made sure to keep his right flank protected by opposing any sort of gun control, gay marriage, you name it. So they can't get him on that. They certainly could never get him on taxes. The only vulnerability he might have is immigration, but I have no doubt he'll polish that between now and 2016.
As for his assholery, it plays. It's just a male version of Sarah Palin, except Christie has a brain and didn't quit as governor to be a pundit on Fox News.
there is one thing that republicans' rally around - hating democrats.
They will get behind him. They are MEAN and angry, and end of the day he will make a very good vessel for it.
SteveG
(3,109 posts)Unfortunately, he is up against a lightweight Democratic candidate in NJ. I doubt he could carry the state in a Presidential election, especially if Hillary is the Democratic candidate.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)After Booker rebuffed them to run
Freddie
(9,258 posts)He's the genuine article
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)"I'm an asshole" persona, but Christie can lead people into thinking he is more moderate than he really is. His union-busting, anti-gay, anti-education, and anti-tax agenda all got swept under the rug by the supposed-liberal media once he started getting a little friendly with the President, and he is on track to win big on Tuesday. Furthermore, when compared alongside Cruz, Paul, et al, Christie does seem like a moderate.
All in all, I would only be worried if enough states are able to change their election rules so that less people can vote by 2016.
Azathoth
(4,607 posts)He's dangerous because he's essentially genuine: a quasi-honest conservative slob who will do the right thing when shit gets real. Once upon a time, that was what it meant to be a mainstream conservative. Sadly, in today's world of talk radio-fueled psychosis and nihilism, that makes him the reasonable, moderate alternative.
Cosmocat
(14,561 posts)I THOUGHT his distemperate nature would get him in trouble on a national run, but in retrospect he will be easy for republican's to rally around.
They, and their doting media, bizarrely spun an entitled halfwit who had no business being POTUS as "they guy you would like to have a beer with" in beating a decent, intelligent and competent vice president.
They can spin ANYTHING, and he readily becomes the vessel to have a no nonsense guy clean up Washington.
Only hope is Hill ... Having that strong female presence will help to make it a little harder to sell the meanness he embodies, and the female vote becomes increasingly influential.
BillyRibs
(787 posts)Yeah, Like a Fungus on a rock, and who wants that!?
Azathoth
(4,607 posts)Last I saw it was something like 66%, and he's utterly crushing Buono. New Jersey has its share of right-wing nutcases, but not that many; it's a politically sane state overall. Christie is very dangerous.
BillyRibs
(787 posts)he gets his way cause The potus wont back a Democratic candidate And Piss poor news reporting like Klan Radio 101.5.
tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)If they would stop sucking his dick for 5 minutes, maybe people will see the real Christie Kreme.
nevergiveup
(4,759 posts)is Hillary and I wouldn't put any money on her. This guy is for real and the media loves him. Nationally he is the most threatening potential Republican presidential candidate I have seen in many years. His one weakness is his nasty temper but if he can learn to keep it in check it will be smooth sailing. IMHO
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)and your argument makes it sound like if Christie runs we will be so desperate to win that it's Hillary or nobody. People are making Christie out to be some oversized Superman. I think if we go into 2016 with that attitude we will lose.
Not everywhere...but enough places to get him the nomination and cause headaches because the places it's going to play best is with Republicans in Democratic stronghold states with slightly more-moderate GOPs: NJ, NY, New England, Mid-Atlantic and the West Coast. We have a problem if we nominate moderate...he will win at-least one state we'd consider safe-Democratic because he will energize a repressed state GOP at the same time a moderate Democrat will depress a more-liberal than the national Democratic party state electorate.
Hope it's not NY or PA.
gopiscrap
(23,733 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Perfect republican presidential material. The "I'm an Asshole" Persona" gets the votes, so the main republicans can continue to bleed America dry. Once they're in office the voters don't matter at all anymore to republicans.
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)and I would add that his "persona" will be taken as a "breath of fresh air" (, Marca Registrada, ©) as it sharply contrasts with Obama's calmness and rationality. Whoever runs against him if he gets the nomination will have to be just as blunt.
politicat
(9,808 posts)He comes across as a city slicker blowhard. Western Republicans have their many faults, but they trend old school conservative.
Unfortunately, we don't have early primaries so the western states aren't a good derail.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,401 posts)I was talking to a co-worker who appeared to be fairly progressive in her personal beliefs ask me what I thought of him possibly being President like she wasn't scared/worried about the prospect thereof. Of course, the biggest question regarding Christie being a probable candidate for POTUS is whether or not he could get through the primary process and win over enough of the baggers. Of course, the baggers haven't been able to nominate one of their own yet, so, while they have a huge influence on the process, they can't quite keep the John McCains and Mitt Romneys from ultimately winning. Of course, both of them had to sell their souls to the teabaggers to have a shot at winning but Christie is not quite as "moderate" as some people think he is, so..............
Mz Pip
(27,434 posts)Not because of his personality but because he dint Teabagger enough.
Look how far right Mitwit had to go to win the primary and he was still considered too moderate by many Republicans.
I may be wrong but I don't see Christie pandering the way Romney did. He'll be a what you see is what you get kind of candidate and the nut bag primary voters will vote for Cruz or Randy Paul.
justaclerk soc
(7 posts)He won't make it through the primaries. He spends too much money for the R agenda, and I don't see them pushing another Northeasterner out front for a long long time.
gopiscrap
(23,733 posts)justaclerk soc
(7 posts)gopiscrap
(23,733 posts)warrior1
(12,325 posts)the teabags while rip him to shreds. I doubt he'll survive even them. He made seem like a hard ass on the outside, but he always runs from fights. He also is reported to have a lot of skeletons in his closet.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)20 years ago I would say he doesn't stand a chance with that mouth, and the stupid things he says. But today, he fits right in with the Teabaggers.
PeteSelman
(1,508 posts)I work with a lot of them. They're totally enamored with the whole "tell it like it is" attitude. If he can get by the primary I think he'll win. It's scary.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)On the other hand, the teakooks still have big money behind them
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014637967
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,622 posts)"That's MY asshole."
Somehow, that seems to work for them.
ancianita
(36,014 posts)just isn't there. It's not time to be worried yet.
lancer78
(1,495 posts)lets his emotions get the better of him. As Darth Vader said "Your emotions betray you" so will Christies' emotions betray him. If the incident with him yelling at the teacher been videotaped and would have happened a month ago or earlier, he might be losing the race right now.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)Most of us tend to be put off by pushy Northeastern assholes.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)worse than Romney.
He is nothing without major R handlers and massive amounts of money backers. He can't stand alone.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I'd challenge you on your thinking. The guy has a rude, nasty temper and is disrespectful to people.
First, Please ask yourself which was the last president with that type of demeaned was elected. I won't hold my breath on an answer.
Second, how well has the guy been vetted? He's run for NJ governor twice, but never in a national campaign. How is he going to react to be thoroughly vetted and having cameras shoved in his face 24/7? The truth is we don't really know.
Third, the people who are pushing the "only Hillary can beat Christie" meme are wrong. This is just another backdoor way to the Clinton inevitability scheme we've seen before.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)"rude and nasty temper and respectfulness" is what we are all about.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)The closest I've been in Virginia and DC. I'm a west coast person. I don't know a lot of people from the NE, but I do know a few. I have heard people from New York are pretty rude, but I don't necessarily believe that.
Having seen how Christie acts though, it is pretty transparent what his attitude is. I don't think that has to do with where he comes from, but his personality (or lack thereof).
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)<------------We are just a bunch a peace nuggies out here on the west coast.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)But, just say whatever-the-hell they want. Truely. They are sarcastic and funny as hell.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I mean we have streets, and highways, and toilets.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)vinny9698
(1,016 posts)There is a reason why the Romney Campaign passed on him to be their VP choice. He wouldn't even answer all their questions.
Will his health keep up with the strains of a national campaign? He can barely walk without huffing and a puffing.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)along with his rage which is likely a stress issue. Add to that a self-described "asshole"?
Americans tend to elect presidents who appear healthy, can jog with the press, or walk their dog further than a few steps without getting winded. Also, those whose demeanor will reflect well on the global stage.