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Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:53 PM

Hillary Clinton is the most formidable presidential frontrunner in modern era

Hillary Clinton remains the most formidable presidential nomination frontrunner for a non-incumbent in the modern era. As I wrote about last year, Clinton’s combination of a number of factors made her strength pretty much unprecedented. Clinton has, if anything, become stronger over the last 12 months."

*The only candidate anywhere close to Clinton was Al Gore for 2000. Gore had long been in the upper 40s to mid 50s. Gore went on to waltz to the nomination in the single strongest non-incumbent performance in the modern era. He won every single primary and took 76% of the primary vote.

Clinton’s numbers look a lot more like an incumbent. Bush was in the low 70s for 1992. Clinton was in the low 60s to low 70s for 1996. Obama mostly was in the low to mid 60s for 2012, even when matched up against Hillary Clinton."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/09/hillary-clinton-is-the-most-formidable-presidential-frontrunner-in-modern-era/

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Reply Hillary Clinton is the most formidable presidential frontrunner in modern era (Original post)
damnedifIknow Nov 2013 OP
Beacool Nov 2013 #1
HappyMe Nov 2013 #2
awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #3
Beacool Nov 2013 #4
Logical Nov 2013 #14
dionysus Nov 2013 #15
Beacool Nov 2013 #16
dionysus Nov 2013 #17
Beacool Nov 2013 #19
bunnies Nov 2013 #30
dionysus Nov 2013 #32
bunnies Nov 2013 #34
Whisp Nov 2013 #5
Agschmid Nov 2013 #7
Whisp Nov 2013 #9
Agschmid Nov 2013 #10
Whisp Nov 2013 #31
CTyankee Nov 2013 #6
Agschmid Nov 2013 #8
davidpdx Nov 2013 #24
CTyankee Nov 2013 #25
davidpdx Nov 2013 #33
DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #29
Whisp Nov 2013 #35
CTyankee Nov 2013 #36
bigwillq Nov 2013 #11
Lamonte Nov 2013 #12
Sognefjord Nov 2013 #13
Whisp Nov 2013 #18
DFW Nov 2013 #20
Whisp Nov 2013 #21
DFW Nov 2013 #23
Post removed Nov 2013 #22
caine1969 Nov 2013 #26
highmindedhavi Nov 2013 #27
Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #28

Response to damnedifIknow (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:14 PM

1. Oh boy, here we go........contrarians at 3...2...1





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Response to Beacool (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:29 PM

2. Why not?

The cheerleaders are already here.






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Response to HappyMe (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:31 PM

3. I do not want another DLC president...

 

but it is true- she will be a formidable candidate.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:05 PM

4. The stories are media generated.

The "cheerleaders" are only posting articles from the media.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:59 AM

14. LOL, says the cheerleader with the Hillary photo! nt

 

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Response to Beacool (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 02:24 PM

15. this primary season is going to be hell for you, Bea. take this, you'll need it!



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Response to dionysus (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 02:43 PM

16. That's original!!!

Last edited Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:02 PM - Edit history (1)

First penguin bankie for my collection.

Thank you, sweets!!!




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Response to Beacool (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 02:45 PM

17. you'll need all the bankies you can get the next few years, i'm afraid. better clear out some room

in the den...

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Response to dionysus (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:01 PM

19. Yep, I'll need to clear soem of the furniture out the way.

We'll just have to sit on the bankies.




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Response to dionysus (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 03:09 PM

30. * admires beas new bankie from afar *

 

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Response to bunnies (Reply #30)

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 04:50 PM

32. better be really far!

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Response to dionysus (Reply #32)

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 04:53 PM

34. Hands behind my back and everything!

 

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Response to damnedifIknow (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:35 PM

5. The Phillipines will soon be open for business!

 

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Response to Whisp (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 07:23 PM

7. I need more explanation of your post...

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Response to Whisp (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 07:51 PM

10. Thanks.

Makes sense.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 04:19 PM

31. Hillary on Haiti - The One Stop For Investors.

 

yesirrreeeee.

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Response to damnedifIknow (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 05:50 PM

6. I think we need a woman president. It is getting embarrassing that we never had a female

chief of state. I am willing to back Hillary. I know a candidate further left might not make it and I want to see what she can do with the presidency. Now that Warren has lined up for her, why can't we accept her judgment on this?

I think Hillary would enter the office of President with the backing of the free world and we would be highly regarded for electing her by people all over the globe.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 07:24 PM

8. It's like a monarchy...

But I am a supporter... And I get maybe that not a legitimate reason to not/support someone.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 10:21 AM

24. I want a woman as president as well in my lifetime

I don't necessarily think it has to be Hilary Clinton though. I'd rather have someone more progressive, less hawkish, and with less DLC ties. I would gladly back a woman running for president as a Democrat. In the 2016 primary I will not vote for her.

I also disagree with her being the most formidable front runner in modern history. She was suppose to be that in 2008 and it was proved untrue. Her campaign imploded so badly that she lost credibility as a candidate. I don't think you get a second shot at history.

By the way South Korea, which has a shorter history of democracy has elected a women president. Women in Korea tend to face more scrutinize because the country is a male dominated society. I wasn't very surprised she was elected given she is powerful, was the daughter of a dictator and had the party's backing.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 10:40 AM

25. 2008 was different. She was competing against what would be the first black presidency.

We probably won't have something that transforming in 2016. In fact, SHE will be the tranforming candidate.

But 2016 is a long time away. She could have a scandal or get sick and who knows might step into the fray? I would hope it would be another woman, either Warren or Gillibrand or another good female candidate...lots can happen between now and then.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 04:50 PM

33. I think it could be argued both were transforming candidates

If she were the only one that would benefit her greatly. I need to spend more time looking at candidate profiles as I'm not as up on that kind of information anymore with my heavy doctoral load.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 02:14 PM

29. tell that to the mid east

"I think Hillary would enter the office of President with the backing of the free world and we would be highly regarded for electing her by people all over the globe. "

The mid east will not be happy with the person that gloated over killing gaddafi.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #29)

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 04:56 PM

35. that foot in mouth disease she has must run in the family.

 

Bill can stick both feet in tho.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 15, 2013, 09:19 AM

36. *sigh* I didn't say everybody in the world. Who would ever expect that of any candidate?

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Response to damnedifIknow (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 10:21 PM

11. Will just make me work harder against her

 

NO HILLARY!

NO WAY!

NO HOW!

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Response to damnedifIknow (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 11:48 PM

12. Hillary

She is a proverbial lock. It will be entertaining to see what kind of lies the conservatives will use against her.

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Response to damnedifIknow (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:54 AM

13. Stifles another huge yawn.

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Response to damnedifIknow (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:37 PM

18. lol. Sez Bill. n/t

 

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Response to damnedifIknow (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 08:06 PM

20. Ask Howard Dean what numbers mean this far out.

I don't care if she is running at 99% of some poll. Three years before an election, they mean about as much as a prediction of what the weather will be like in three years.

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Response to DFW (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 01:43 AM

21. This is just intimidation at this point. Nothing more.

 

So far the 'nominee' is the only one talking about herself, basically.

btw, do you know if Dean was one of those that took that Clinton loyalty oath way back in 92?

oh, and btw, I read here you were a personal friend of Helen Thomas - I loved her too.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 03:31 AM

23. Helen was indeed a good friend.

She and my father were colleagues in the Washington print press, so I had known her for about 50 years, i.e. most of my life.

In 1992, I don't think Howard was overly concerned about some oath. He had just become governor of Vermont by surprise (the governor had died of a heart attack, and he was LG), and had other things on his mind. However, I don't know this, and I'm not about to wake him up to ask (it's 8:30 in the morning here, which is 2:30 AM in North America's eastern parts--although he could be anywhere, knowing Howard).

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Response to damnedifIknow (Original post)

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 10:51 AM

26. OK

That's what they said in 2008

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Response to damnedifIknow (Original post)

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 10:53 AM

27. She will need the Banks and Wall Street to win

 

as usual.

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Response to damnedifIknow (Original post)

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 10:57 AM

28. So formidable her numbers are compared with Gore's?

 

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