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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 02:45 AM Nov 2013

'Obama's approval sinks to new low...'

See that a lot. Always check the ratings. Guess what? They're almost a point or two worse than his last record low ... which generally happened at the end 2011. Right before an election year. We know how that turned out.

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'Obama's approval sinks to new low...' (Original Post) Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 OP
Peaks and valleys. It will go back up. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #1
Agreed. Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #2
When Congress has a higher approval rating than the President. Oakenshield Nov 2013 #3
Until REPUBLICANS have a higher approval rating than President Obama Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2013 #11
Yeah, I have an idea Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #17
Red states Fordham03 Nov 2013 #25
Yeah but Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #38
I'm happy to see this was the sort of post I expected dballance Nov 2013 #4
That's just the media doing their job... dchill Nov 2013 #5
bingo! BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2013 #9
Which bring to mind the question … 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #20
Sincerely, that is a GOOD question. dchill Nov 2013 #24
+1 Dawson Leery Nov 2013 #39
I'm pretty sure this will prevent Obama from getting a 3rd term. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #6
O's a loveable man, We will always pick him up :) Sunlei Nov 2013 #7
I don't see how anyone can just blow this off as no big deal. It is not good. It is sad to me. Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2013 #8
I wish we had a genuine, ethical media! BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2013 #10
True Dat. It is a sad 'way of the world' for sure. Actually, I think instant Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2013 #13
interesting point... BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2013 #14
The reason it is no big deal is because of history Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #18
I agree - he is trying to do well. Absolutely. BUT anyone who thinks Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2013 #21
Well, considering that Harry Truman had some seriously low ratings... CBHagman Nov 2013 #23
Thanks for pulling this together. My point is very simple - it has nothing to do with any other Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2013 #26
Ok - we will see where his "polls" are March 31 Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #40
I heard this morning that the country no longer trusts him - ABC News. Avalux Nov 2013 #12
So who really gives a sh*t? SmittynMo Nov 2013 #15
+1 Dawson Leery Nov 2013 #16
Nothing to do ideology discocrisco01 Nov 2013 #19
The Health Care thing is hurting him bad hollowdweller Nov 2013 #22
We need to support him in the polls. Indyfan53 Nov 2013 #27
Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #28
Someone new? cyberswede Nov 2013 #29
Which teabagger do you propose? AlinPA Nov 2013 #31
You forgot Benghazi! Cirque du So-What Nov 2013 #32
WTF and Bush did even know his own fucking name half the time gopiscrap Nov 2013 #33
Guess what, sheshe2 Nov 2013 #34
I was the one who sent the alert gopiscrap Nov 2013 #35
Thanks for that, gopiscrap. sheshe2 Nov 2013 #36
thanks...good, could it was just an interupter gopiscrap Nov 2013 #37
The public is highly gullible Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2013 #30

Oakenshield

(614 posts)
3. When Congress has a higher approval rating than the President.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 03:46 AM
Nov 2013

THAT will be newsworthy. Till then, I have no fucks to give if his approval takes a dip.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,402 posts)
11. Until REPUBLICANS have a higher approval rating than President Obama
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 10:36 AM
Nov 2013

THAT will be really newsworthy. Till then, I'm not much concerned.

What I don't understand is that President Obama is supposed to be so unpopular now, yet he hasn't really done anything that should be severely hampering his popularity, at least nothing that I can think of that's anything worse than what (P)resident George W. Bush did. Yeah, the healthcare rollout isn't really going that great b I know that the outrage du jour of the moment is the whole "you can keep your plans" pledge that some people are upset about (as well as other lies and distortions about the ACA in general) but is that affecting large numbers of people? The media, of course, seems obsessed with sensationalizing just about every negative story about ACA but minimizing just about every positive story about people benefiting from the ACA but I believe that that is a more transitory thing that will eventually get smoothed out over time.
The economy is still adding jobs, though not enough jobs nor enough of the good-paying jobs, so I can kind of understand why people are feeling a little pessimistic about it. There are things that President Obama and the Democrats want to do but the Republicans in the House are blockading anything substantive that might help things get better for more people. Does anybody else have any ideas?

Lns.Lns

(99 posts)
17. Yeah, I have an idea
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 06:41 PM
Nov 2013

Vote them out in 2014 (P.S. you forgot the Senate filibuster in your blockading statement)

Fordham03

(1 post)
25. Red states
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 09:42 AM
Nov 2013

How are we going to get them out in the Red states where they seem to relish this standstill in our country just to spite this black president. Boehner is useless; he just seems to want to protect his job instead of shaming the Tea party to do the right thing.

I agree that the people that work for Obama have not served him well in the Affordable Healthcare Act. The roll-out should have been delayed if there were problems; certainly, they should have had the top computer people working on this since this was so important. This is his signature legislation. The GOP is jumping with joy. Eventually, it will be straightened out, but the perception is damaged because most people didn't know what the benefits of this new insurance were. The Dems were so busy passing it, they didn't explain it adequately and that enabled people like Palin to scare the living daylights out of people with her "death panels" comment. It has to be fixed to salvage Obama's reputation--namely, "if you like your insurance you can keep it." Insurance companies are complicit in wanting to sink it to protect their profits. We are so afraid of Socialized Medicine that we are willing to bankrupt the American people in the name of profit.

Lns.Lns

(99 posts)
38. Yeah but
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 11:47 PM
Nov 2013

Here's the deal. The public has the attention span of a gnat. Remember Fast & Furious, IRS, Benghazi, BP oil Spill, Guns, Gods & Gays, and I could go on. Everything is a scandal. This will pass when it is fixed. Problem is that Dems can be a bit wussy. If we had the balls of the Reps we would own the country. For instance, my state, California, if we gerrymandered like they do we would own the house. But in the long run, I do believe fairness wins. It just is a little irritating to me when a new so called "scandal" arises people just don't stand up and say it is either not a scandal or it will get fixed or something other that freak out. I love the way they lie constantly and no one ever calls them out, but Obama... the devious scamp... he deceived, it's his Katrina, it his Watergate or his Mission Accomplished moment or whatever their squeegee little minds can think of, but can never find.

Don't worry... I predict it will be fixed and it will be good for the country.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
4. I'm happy to see this was the sort of post I expected
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 03:48 AM
Nov 2013

I just knew when I clicked on the link it was going to be how his ratings might not be the best but still better than most.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
20. Which bring to mind the question …
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 09:44 PM
Nov 2013

If President Obama really were the corporatist tool of the 1%, as we are frequent told around here, why would the wholly owned and operated, corporate media be so fixated on driving down his numbers?

dchill

(38,465 posts)
24. Sincerely, that is a GOOD question.
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 06:43 AM
Nov 2013

I do believe that he is somewhat of a corporatist tool, but also that being president is more complex than I can possibly conceive...

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
39. +1
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 11:55 PM
Nov 2013

The media downplayed Bush's horrific disaster in Iraq during 2006.
CNN made it clear that with all of the problems the GOP/Bush had, Democrats were too weak to retake the congress.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
6. I'm pretty sure this will prevent Obama from getting a 3rd term.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 08:26 AM
Nov 2013

I'm betting that the media is going to milk this until thanksgiving. Then, there will be a lull in the freak out.

Then, the media will be in search of a new freak out for Christmas.



 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
8. I don't see how anyone can just blow this off as no big deal. It is not good. It is sad to me.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 09:01 AM
Nov 2013

Wish he had a good PR agent.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
10. I wish we had a genuine, ethical media!
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 10:26 AM
Nov 2013

Instead of the megacorporations' propaganda profit circus 24/7 spectacle we've got.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
13. True Dat. It is a sad 'way of the world' for sure. Actually, I think instant
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 04:42 PM
Nov 2013

business news has really screwed up the economy too. It has forced companies to plan for the next day and not the next five years. Profits/Problems are aired around the world every minute of the day. No wonder raises and benefits have be cut - only way to sustain enough growth.

Lns.Lns

(99 posts)
18. The reason it is no big deal is because of history
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 07:02 PM
Nov 2013

There have been so many OMG "scandals", Fast & Furious, IRS, Benghazi, blah blah blah until sooner or later it becomes a "Cry Wolf" to even the densest of people. Basically, I think it just adds more wood to the fire when this turns out to be a non scandal.

I have a conservative Mom and I even have her "bitching" about the greed and spuriousness of Wall Street. I have made about a third of the way to liking the ACA. She is becoming proud of herself for letting go of the prejudices she was raised with. She actually has some black and latino friends now. Guess what? The aren't really scary people after all. Little by little, it gets through eventually.

I think history will be kind to Obama. We a had a big old right leaning ship of a country for decades and I credit him for turning this thing around so other Democrats going forward won't be fighting the big battles. All you have to do is enumerate the changes and directions we have been going since he took over this mess rather than focusing on the scandal du jour.

Sometimes, I think Progressives are too hard on him. If he was too progressive he would never have been able to drag most of the country in the positive direction it has been going. It is the long game that counts. Kudos to all the people who help him too.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
21. I agree - he is trying to do well. Absolutely. BUT anyone who thinks
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 11:21 PM
Nov 2013

it's OK to be way down in the polls is really not being honest IMHO. It is never a good thing to be down in the polls. And, saying history will redeem him reminds me of what all the wingnuts said about Bush.

CBHagman

(16,984 posts)
23. Well, considering that Harry Truman had some seriously low ratings...
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 12:50 AM
Nov 2013

...the result of the week or even the month is no indication of where historians will land. I think the 24/7 news cycle seriously skews people's view of reality, especially since the media is all about marketing, and what sells? Drama.

Also, the media tends to choose a narrative and stick to it, even if the facts don't line up accordingly. A classic example is The Washington Post's depiction of the final days of the Clinton presidency. They went on and on about what a controversial figure he was, how he was ending on a low note because of the Marc Rich pardon, yada, yada, yada. They contrasted him unfavorably with Reagan, often depicted by the media as the ultimate popular president.

But when you look at the figures the story is a little more complex, and then there's the post-presidency reputation. Clinton had and has his enemies, no doubt about it, but he hasn't exactly been an outcast since January 20th, 2001.

For an overview of presidential ratings, check here. You can display the data for the presidents individually, too.

[url]http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/popularity.php?pres=&sort=time&direct=DESC&Submit=DISPLAY[/url]

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
26. Thanks for pulling this together. My point is very simple - it has nothing to do with any other
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 11:20 PM
Nov 2013

president or anything else that will happen in the future. It is a bad thing that his
approval rating is where it is. Period.

Lns.Lns

(99 posts)
40. Ok - we will see where his "polls" are March 31
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 11:57 PM
Nov 2013

Even after everyone is "forced" (according to Reps) to have insurance. I am capable of being wrong, but I have watched people freak out over and over every time something "looks" bad according to Rep spin. Each time they recover after the truth is known. As far as the wingnut comment... I don't take that personal because comparing the Iraq war with the ACA... well I don't think I need to explain myself.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
12. I heard this morning that the country no longer trusts him - ABC News.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 04:28 PM
Nov 2013

The issues with the ACA website and people being let go from their insurance plans were cited as reasons. No actual poll was presented though.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
15. So who really gives a sh*t?
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 05:31 PM
Nov 2013

It happens every time a president is in his last and final term. What's the big deal? I have to hand it to Obama though. He's still moving forward with his agenda. Progress!!! Keep moving forward!!!

And besides, he'll NEVER be as bad as George.

discocrisco01

(1,666 posts)
19. Nothing to do ideology
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 08:50 PM
Nov 2013

This is has nothing to do with the progressive ideology which in my opinion is absolutely correct, but more rather to do with bad management of federal contractors. The other problem is that Obama did not properly clarify his remarks to the American people. Instead of saying that "you would keep your health insurances", he should had stated "You are going to lose your insurance, but you can obtain new insurance on the exchanges that offers you better coverage, lower out of pocket costs, and a better value, if even it is slightly more expensive than the plan that you have now."

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
22. The Health Care thing is hurting him bad
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 12:04 AM
Nov 2013

As politically conscious as the administration is and the ability to win messaging wars they should have seen this coming and be prepared.

But I believe it is typical of Obama to slack off and then get in trouble and then buckle down and come out ok.

I think his numbers will go back up if he gets it together and the ACA does ok.

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