For what? After watching "60 minutes"

[question everything]

the two parts telling the heroic efforts of a Navy Seal to survive, while all round him, his comrades in arms and members of the rescue missions died.

At the end, I asked my spouse: for what? what have we gained from being there so long.

"So that Karzai can snub us," was the reply.

Really powerful. Yes, I know that many DUers have boycotted the program, but it is worth at least reading the transcript of the "Survivor" segment.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/survivor-60-minutes/

[2naSalit]

1. The whole point of that

presentation was to say, "See, we actually can report on a special ops guy and tell a harrowing tale, now don't you feel angry?"

There is no good reason for us to be there and no good reason for us to have so many contractors everywhere... our MIC is now mostly populated with mercenaries. And I hope Karsai won't sign that stupid deal. We should just bugger off and let them be. If we weren't selling weapons to all sides of every argument, there wouldn't be so much war and violence around the globe... but there wouldn't be as much money in the machines of war then.

[demosincebirth]

2. I thought is was a good piece

[davidpdx]

3. Karzai is snubbing us

Obama should take the offer to help Afghanistan off the table at midnight on the 31st. Tell him he had his chance and pissed it away. Then the real culprit will get blamed.

BTW I'm not advocating staying longer. What I'm saying is if Karzai wants to play politics, make him lose at his own game.

[question everything]

4. Senator McCaskill was interviewed earlier this morning

MSNBC, I think. And she suggested to "tread water" until the spring, when Karsai's term ends.

On the one hand, I feel bad letting the Taliban take over the country again, especially with the fate of the Burkaed women.

On the other hand, I am angry and Cheney et al who got us there in the first place, who tied Obama's hands.

Yes, I supported the initial invasion in Oct. 2001, but had we stayed there to stabilize the country with helps of our nations, instead of considering it "mission accomplished" and moving the Iraq, we would have been in such a better condition today: politically, militarily and economically.