Affordable Care Act - 2 million jobs lost, or 2 million jobs GAINED?

[JEFF9K]

My local broadcast TV station, a Fox New affiliate, reported that the Affordable Care Act will result in the loss of 2 million jobs as a result of people quitting their jobs and receiving subsidized health care.

I called the station to complain that NO jobs would be lost because the jobs would still be there and that there would be 2 million MORE jobs for the rest of us.

The lady I talked to said “We never thought of it that way!”

http://washingtonexaminer.com/budget-office-obamacare-will-cause-a-decline-of-2-million-workers-through-2017/article/2543417

[Proud Liberal Dem]

1. The misinformation campaign is already pretty widespread

Joshua Micah Marshall (TPM) has been busy debunking the GOP spin on this all day
*sigh*

[Rosa Luxemburg]

20. We should not let the GOP swiftboats out of the harbor

The right always seem to be able to get their lie out on TV and then it takes a long time to counteract it.

[global1]

2. When One Thinks Of The Benefits Of This - It Tells A Really Good Story For The Economy......

People that were afraid to leave a job because they would lose their health insurance can now leave and not have that worry.

They could open their own business (entrepreneurs) and actually create more jobs.

They could reduce their hours to be able to spend more time with their children.

Those that do reduce their hours - open up opportunities for people that are currently unemployed to fill their slots. More people working - will have more money to spend.

I'm sure that there are many other positive outcomes - that I haven't thought of as well.

President Obama and the Dems need to get out in front of this immediately and show all the positives - because already we're seeing how the Repugs and Fox will be trying to spin this.

[CTyankee]

13. Do you think that this will inevitably signal the ending of the employer based insurance and

the emergence of universal health care? If so, what will happen when the employer mandate kicks in, in another year or so?

[global1]

14. I Think We're In An Evolutionary Cycle Now Because Of ACA That Will Ultimately Result In A.....

universal health care system. I'm thinking that employers - now looking back at the days when we were talking about changing the health care insurance system - would have probably preferred to not be involved at all in having to insure employees - knowing what they know now. What still needs to be figured out is how the current health insurers fit in with a universal health care system.

Thinking about how Medicare is managed - health insurers are still involved in it. If we talk about a universal system - like Medicare for all - I guess the administrative system is in place already and instead of having to turn 65 to get into Medicare - all would be eligible.

Ideally - I would prefer one administrative body to handle a universal system. In that case providers would only have to deal with one entity for claims and payment. All forms would be standardized.

It would be wasteful if providers have to deal with a multitude of insurance companies and claim forms, etc if they let all current health insurers still administer the system.

I'm just thinking out loud now and off the top of my head. I'd be curious to see if there is any agreement out there with my thoughts or if there is a better way to administer a universal system.

[CTyankee]

15. There are a number of European models we could look too, as they have varying universal health care

systems, with the bottom line being a kind of Medicare for all, paid for through general taxation. The German model has produced a fair amount of entrepreneurs in that country's economy, which is doing well even in a depressed global economic picture. If we look more comprehensively at the big picture, we could easily see a real hope in immigration reform's benefits, bringing younger workers into our aging work population and paying taxes.

Do you think the "evolutionary cycle" you see was implicit in the planning of the ACA or was it an unplanned for event?

[global1]

17. Good Question - Because The More I See And Hear Of The Benefits Of ACA....

(this latest CBO report included) the more I'm thinking that a lot of thought went into it and that an evolutionary cycle was built into it.
The way I'm interpreting the CBO Report - ACA could be a job generator as it picks up steam and more people sign up. People won't be tied to a job just to maintain their health insurance. Right now the momentum has been with the employer and it was an employers market. With the portability of health insurance that ACA gives a worker - it will be easier to start their own company now and it will be easier to move to a different job. I think we're going to see the momentum change to a employees market. It's going to be interesting to watch what happens.

I beginning to think it was an ingenious plan by President Obama for ACA to put the wheels in motion for a Universal System. It will be interesting to see how long it will take now to evolve into a universal system. I'm thinking it will happen pretty quick as more and more people benefit from it.

[CTyankee]

18. I'm beginning to think that the delay of the employers mandate might be a cooling off period for

the ACA in that it gives us a chance to reset our thinking on this whole thing...

but that's just me...ruminating about possibilities for universal health care...

[TexasBushwhacker]

16. And they can retire when they want

instead of working full time until they are eligible for Medicare because they are insurable now with preexisting conditions at a reasonable price. That frees up their job for someone else. It's win/win!

[SunSeeker]

3. Even the NYTimes has a misleading headline.

"Health Care Law Projected to Cut the Labor Force"

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/02/05/us/politics/budget-office-revises-estimates-of-health-care-enrollment.html?from=homepage

People read that headline and think jobs will be cut. It pisses me off that even the NYTimes muddles this.

[1StrongBlackMan]

4. And of course ...

Ms. "Never thought of it that way" immediately went on air to state her revelation! Of course she did.

That was a point I raised yesterday, when the report began being cited as proof the ACA is a jobs killer ... just like Morning Joe just did.

But since Joe, the 59 year old with the bad back and the new-born grand-kid, can now retire with access to healthcare, doesn't that open up a job for 53 year old, 2 years unemployed, Jane ... either in Joe's former job, or the job vacated by Susie, to take the job vacated by Juan, to take the job vacated by Becky, who took Joe's former job?

America is becoming a dumber place by the broad-cast.

[JoePhilly]

5. I know a woman, a mid-level executive who is going to leave her current job ...

... and start a new business.

She's had the plan for over 5 years. Had financial backing for the business. But she had a condition that would have kept her from being able to get insurance. She's had great insurance as an exec at this company. But no one would ever take her on the open market.

Now, she'll leave one position for some one else ... she'll have insurance ... and she'll create a couple hundred more jobs.

[1StrongBlackMan]

7. Encourage her ...

to write to the Whitehouse, her Congress-folks, the newspapers and anyone else who might listen, and tell her "ACA killed my job" story.

[rtracey]

6. I went on Eric Cantors facebook

I went of Eric Cantors facebook page and he had a photo of the crowd at the presidents inaugural. His headline was 3times this many people will lose their jobs because of Obamacare (something close to that). I posted about how Washington Post changed their stories in about 15 minutes, explaining how its not the loss of 2 million jobs but the loss in hours people will need to work in order to pay for healthcare, then laughingly asked Cantor to stop lying and be honest with the American people for once, and actually tell the truth about the CBO report.....my post was deleted in 2 min or so.....piece of crap.....VOTE 2014/2016......

[JEFF9K]

11. Conservatives don't like it when you tell them to stop lying. ...

Conservatives don't like it when you tell them to stop lying. ... No matter how much evidence you present them with.

[former9thward]

8. Who is going to quit their jobs and get healthcare?

No one. Who has the power to "reduce their hours of work"? No one.

[bigdarryl]

9. Stop listening to FIXED NEWS!!! you know there a bunch of lying slim balls when it comes to

Obama or Progressives

[JEFF9K]

12. I wasn't listening to Fox News Channel, I was listening to the local Fox affiliate. ...

I wasn't listening to Fox News Channel, I was listening to the local Fox affiliate. In my big city, their news is on an hour earlier than the other channels, so I watch it first and then news on another station.

[LiberalFighter]

10. I actually had a face palm moment with the woman's response.

[yellowcanine]

19. If someone retires because of the ACA it doesn't mean their job is lost.

That is really shitty logic.

[JEFF9K]

21. Update ...

I tuned-in late to tonight's news on the local Fox affiliate. I caught the last half of an update on this story. It seems that they corrected their mistake. Sometimes it pays to complain.