ACA Subsidies as disincentive to work???

[kairos12]

It seems like the "liberal media" keeps reporting on how the ACA subsidies are turning people into lazy lay abouts. More accurate is freedom from job lock.

Funny how you never hear about how CEO golden parachutes, distributed to these pirates after wrecking their companies, are never reported as disincentives to work.

[delrem]

1. People should work for a carrot, never because of a stick.

[indie9197]

2. I am pretty sure you will get the full subsidy if you are working full time

at minimum wage. And I really dont think people would turn down a raise or a higher paying job just because they would lose their subsidy. I dont follow the logic on this one.

[greymattermom]

3. preexisting conditions

Folks who would like to work part time or retire, and can afford it, are free to do that now, even if they or their spouse has a preexisting condition. I've know quite a few folks who stayed in a job well past retirement age because they married a younger person and had to wait for medicare eligibility for the spouse. I'm sure this happens with younger folks too, as my kids have learned to live cheaply, basically never buying anything except food and utilities.

[justgamma]

4. I was able to retire early because of Obamacare.

I figure that I saved the taxpayers more than enough to make up for the tax break I'm getting. I tried to get private insurance, but was turned down. Took my Cobra insurance that was due to run out this month.

If not for Obamacare, I would have had to put my disabled hubby in a nursing home and let the state pay for him. I can now stay home with him and somebody that needed a job got one.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

5. Right

First off, it's been my experience that most people want to work and be productive doing something, preferably something that they enjoy, which hasn't always been possible given things like "job lock" and other economic realities. Now, thanks to ACA, people are going to be freer to find jobs that better suit their circumstances and/or interests but this idea that mass amounts of people are going to drop out of the job market so that they can sit at home and collect health benefits is just, well, ludicrous. I mean, most people will still have to pay something in most cases for their health coverage and they will still need money for other things, right? Some people have this vision of people on welfare living high on the hog but it just.isn't.true! As much as they profess to be for freedom, Republicans and their right-winger minions don't really believe in true freedom for most people?

[justgamma]

6. I don't like the word subsidies.

You get a tax break when you sign up. You can have it go directly to the insurance company or you can take the tax break and get a lump sum when you file your taxes. Right wingers seem to have no complaint when big business get tax breaks.

[Igel]

7. A subsidy is a payment.

That's part of the definition.

We call a lot of things subsidies that don't actually involve payment to the person or organization we say "gets" the subsidy. Yet we insist that they're subsidies.

That's because we've internalized "subsidy = bad" and want to use the word as an implicit term of abuse. They're emotionally loaded and we can't see past the emotino. Then when something meets the definition--whether "subsidy" or "entitlement"--we're stuck with the connocation of abuse and rather ignore the denotation. Because we've learned to emote and feel instead of think.

Social Security is an entitlement.

The ACA provides subsidies.

Take back the language. Don't let rhetoric substitute for logic.