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Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:35 PM

When May I Shoot a Student?

To the chief counsel of the Idaho State Legislature:

In light of the bill permitting guns on our stateís college and university campuses, which is likely to be approved by the state House of Representatives in the coming days, I have a matter of practical concern that I hope you can help with: When may I shoot a student?

I am a biology professor, not a lawyer, and I had never considered bringing a gun to work until now. But since many of my students are likely to be armed, I thought it would be a good idea to even the playing field.

I have had encounters with disgruntled students over the years, some of whom seemed quite upset, but I always assumed that when they reached into their backpacks they were going for a pencil. Since I carry a pen to lecture, I did not feel outgunned; and because there are no working sharpeners in the lecture hall, the most they could get off is a single point. But now that weíll all be packing heat, I would like legal instruction in the rules of classroom engagement.

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In terms of the campus murder rate ó zero at present ó I think that we can all agree that guns donít kill people, people with guns do. Which is why encouraging guns on campus makes so much sense. Bad guys go where there are no guns, so by adding guns to campus more bad guys will spend their year abroad in London. Britain has incredibly restrictive laws ó their cops donít even have guns! ó and gun deaths there are a tiny fraction of what they are in America. Itís a perfect place for bad guys.

Some of my colleagues are concerned that you are encouraging firearms within a densely packed concentration of young people who are away from home for the first time, and are coincidentally the age associated with alcohol and drug experimentation, and the commission of felonies.

Once again, this reflects outdated thinking about students. My current students have grown up learning responsible weapon use through virtual training available on the Xbox and PlayStation. Far from being enamored of violence, many studies have shown, they are numb to it. These creative young minds will certainly be stimulated by access to more technology at the university, items like autoloaders, silencers and hollow points. I am sure that it has not escaped your attention that the library would make an excellent shooting range, and the bookstore could do with fewer books and more ammo choices.


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pipoman Feb 2014 #1
Chan790 Mar 2014 #2
pipoman Mar 2014 #3
Sancho Mar 2014 #4
Ned Fenwick Mar 2014 #5
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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:45 PM

1. Idaho is not NYC.

 

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Response to pipoman (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 12:39 AM

2. The author isn't in NYC.

 

Greg Hampikian is a professor of biology and criminal justice at Boise State University and a co-author of ďExit to Freedom.Ē

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:15 AM

3. oic

 

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 07:07 AM

4. Florida just allowed guns on campus...I can't wait until the next dissertation defense.

This is my generic response to gun threads. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70ís, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that werenít secured are out of control in our society. As such, hereís what I now think should the requirements to possess a gun. Iím not debating the legal language, I just think itís the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because itís clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a renewable license.
2.) To get a license, they should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learnerís license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home.
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability policy insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) outside of home or when transporting it to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.).
9.) All guns should be registered. If you buy, sell, give away, inherit, or the gun changes hands by any other transaction, the registration should be recorded. Ammunition should be tagged.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process (if ever).

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driverís license you need a license to fish, rent scuba equipment, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:21 AM

5. How can they even justify stuff like this this sick joke?

This is so obviously destructive, it could only be the product of the lackeys of plutocrats. The natural result of this law would, among other negative results, be to drive teachers into other, safer fields ("self-deport", and leave only the financially desperate, aiding these ALECs with their long-range assigned task of destroying the educational system in this country, for privatizing. In the early '60s, there was a book, whose name has been appropriated by the tea-types, which dealt, in some detail, with how much more corruptible, and corrupt, state legislatures were than the Federal government. It wasn't a pretty picture. Naturally, then, these ALEC low-lifes would go after the state ones, in their quest for corporate hegemony.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:53 AM

6. I hope this gets the same online

distribution as the famous "Letter to Dr. Laura."

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