Can we please at least begin a CAMPAIGN before these INSANE "predictions"?

[RBInMaine]

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Um, ENOUGH, please of this INSANE doom and gloom predicting about the mid-terms. It is WAY DAMN EARLY !! Most people aren't even paying attention yet.

It is the typical SHIT that, not all, but too many "progressives" do. They buy right into the corporate media memes,
along with whining that this or that isn't pure enough, and then stay home on their arsses instead of engaging and going out and voting. (Again, not all by any means, but TOO MANY. And it is BULLSHIT !)

Now I am the first to say that the DNC needs a strong OFFENSIVE campaign. Fine. If that is how you feel, call or email your state DNC reps and TELL THEM THAT just as I did in my state last week, and I got a good response back. He tells me they know and they are working on it. A campaign is coming. It is early yet. Plans are being laid.

In my state and many states, we are gearing up BIGTIME to beat the LIVING SHIT out of the TeaSCUM at the state level, as they are in MANY states. We recently had HUGE turnout at our caucuses, we have great candidates, and we are going to take the fight hard to their very guts !

THIS IS NOT 2010 !! The economy is doing better. Their ObamaCare attacks are evaporating (and will only work with the TeaSCUM base). The DNC had 90,000 online donors in March, a RECORD for this time of year in a mid-term year.

So please, a lot of us are out here working hard. Don't doom and gloom. Yes, we need a strong message. And yes, TeaPukes typically are more reliable in mid-terms. But if we run strong campaigns and get out the vote, we'll do fine. SO GET ENGAGED and ENOUGH OF THE BULLSHIT "predictions." It is a load of CRAP ! This is NOT 2010 ! Do not allow yourself to get sucked into the corporate media memes.

[DCBob]

1. Totally agree. I think things are looking up.

Their main strategy of attacking obamacare 7x24 appears to be losing its effectiveness.

[delrem]

2. It's 7 months to Nov. You say the campaign hasn't even begun?

In my view your very wording, stating that the Dem campaign has yet to begin, telegraphs a MASSIVE DEM LOSS in the making.

Sorry to explain my impression, but I'm not a US citizen so no doubt my impression is irrelevant.

[BeyondGeography]

3. He's right

the average voter won't be tuning in until summertime. Labor Day weekend is more like it.

[delrem]

5. oh, interesting. So this is pure snooze time....

and let's snooze through summertime....

and all will be fine on Labor Day weekend, where we'll all BBQ some steaks.

[rhett o rick]

7. So what do you suggest? nm

[pipoman]

10. Vast numbers of voters

Vote based on just a couple of things they have heard about a candidate. Now is the time to get good 1 liners in their heads.

[rhett o rick]

11. We all want "vast numbers of voters", the question is how to get them. nm

[delrem]

12. Progressives should be in front of this.

I suggest that progressives not snooze until "campaign time" starts in Sept.
If progressives don't already have their candidates lined up and in place - then they have already lost.
If the message progressives want to send isn't already in the air, being pumped by their campaign, being understood and agreed to by their voting public, they have already lost.

The message has to be clear. To be clear, it has to contradict the "bipartisan" shtick that has crippled progressive messaging during the Obama years. That "bipartisan" shtick has more than crippled progressive messaging: it has solidified a general consensus that Dems are purely corporate neo-lib/neo-cons, just as are the Reps. That whole area of debate has been denied by so-called "bipartisanship".

On the other hand, if one likes the status quo then why not snooze? One can always blame Bush, the "Repugs", or whatever... for things and events that appear "difficult".

[rhett o rick]

14. I have been involved in politics for a number of decades. Dont worry about the "progressives"

staying home. Some call them "extremist lefties" and then try to blame the extremists for staying home. It doesnt compute. It's the centrists that are happy with the status quo, just ask them.

[delrem]

15. The subthread isn't about whether progressives (without the quotes) will/won't stay home on e-day.

[BeyondGeography]

16. Sounds like you're the one who's snoozing

Here's what we're running on; the President laid it out in a very good speech last week in Michigan:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024781197

I've been watching politics for a very long time and the Dems started sounding the alarm bell in earnest last month. That's healthy, and the OP is on target.

[delrem]

19. Look, you abstracted my statement from the post I was responding to, and misread it.

That post said:
"He's right
the average voter won't be tuning in until summertime. Labor Day weekend is more like it."

I was referencing *that* point only, not some group of points that just anyone can make up.

[RBInMaine]

17. That is NOT what is being said ! Please listen. The GROUNDWORK is being laid. The full campaign

has not begun yet. THAT is the point. It is EARLY. There is TONS of groundwork being laid all over the country for a strong campaign. But yes, the electorate isn't paying much attention yet. It's coming.

[delrem]

20. Of course "the full campaign" can't be laid out before e-day.

I'd say today's date ought to be considered "mid-campaign" time, according as the actual calendar. I'd say the if the "message" isn't being aired now, then it'll never be somehow magically "ready" for the Sept. 1st holy day when people supposedly start listening.

Perhaps my "tone" gets me off on a wrong foot - because several times in these threads my words have been taken in a way that suggests that I'm not supportive of progressive democrats. And that's not true. (I'm indifferent to the fate of 3rd-way democrats. There's no constructive criticism that I have w.r.t. their messaging.) Regardless of how it seems, I consider my posts to be in the spirit of constructive criticism rather than opposition.

I'll leave it at that.

[NYC_SKP]

4. All I care about is to not see a Clinton or a Bush on the ballot in 2-16

Enough is e-fucking nuff!

I know, it's still a long way off.

[delrem]

6. My bet is that both Clinton and Bush will be on the '16 ballot,

fighting for the "centrist" voter.

And there'll still be people who say that there's a difference.

[rhett o rick]

8. Ahh, the Ralph Nader mistake. There is a difference between corporate Dems vs. corporate Repubs.

One is Red and the other is Blue.

[delrem]

13. I didn't mention Ralph Nader. You did.

I made a prediction, and mentioned a certain similarity. That's all.

[pipoman]

9. Nope

If you are tired of it already, you're not going to make it. ..

[Todays_Illusion]

18. This is the campaign, convince the voters the Republican are going to win.

Step 1.
Deploy every vote manipulation technique from our book of dirty tricks.
closed polls, moved polls, fewer days to vote, fewer voters, the magical Diebold machines.
and on and on.

Step 2.
Do not have exit polls.

[delrem]

21. IMO there ought to be a mass movement against black-box closed source e-machines.

This ought to be a no-brainer.

I say: democracy can not possibly co-exist with use of such machines.