2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNew Poll: GOP In Danger Of Losing House In November
A newly released poll from Public Policy Polling shows that the GOP is by no means assured of retaining control of the House after the mid-term elections next fall. Apparently, a major factor in turning the electorate against many Republican incumbents was their vote to shut the government down last October.
Although they tried to place the blame on the President and Senate Democrats, it has long been apparent that the voting public is not gullible, knowing that it was the House Republicans and their determination to find a way to repeal Obamacare who were actually responsible for the shutdown.
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/04/devastating-new-poll-gop-danger-losing
The Democratic Party still needs an outstanding GOTV effort.
Nictuku
(3,603 posts)fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)woodsprite
(11,910 posts)liskddksil
(2,753 posts)bulloney
(4,113 posts)voters will vote the assholes back in. Congress has a horrible approval rating, but more than 95% of incumbents get re-elected. There's the money factor, giving incumbents a huge advantage over any challenger. Plus, voters are in denial that their congressman is part of the problem because of party loyalty. There's another sector that is of the mindset, "He may be an asshole, but he's OUR asshole." Examples: David Vitter and Mark Sanford.
I've said for years that if the people of my county were half as loyal to their faith as they are to their politics, this whole county would be up for sainthood.
demwing
(16,916 posts)This predates the flawed rollout of Obamacare. What value does it have now?
Hayduke Bomgarte
(1,965 posts)OK... I'm calling bullshit on that.
rep the dems
(1,689 posts)This is more a case of a blind squirrel finding a nut once in a while than the infinite wisdom of the average American voter. Good news regardless.
Hayduke Bomgarte
(1,965 posts)Is such that I am amazed when one demonstrates the ability to tie his own shoes.
santamargarita
(3,170 posts)Rozlee
(2,529 posts)We got shellacked in 2010 because Democrat voters didn't bother going to the polls. History will repeat itself again in 2012 if we follow the same pattern. The rank-and-file Democrat has a habit of forgetting that there's anything beyond 4-year presidential election cycles.
santamargarita
(3,170 posts)Rozlee
(2,529 posts)quakerboy
(13,918 posts)We got "shellacked" in 2010 because Independents voted for Republicans.
We lost about 5% percent with Democrats not showing up to vote in 2010, though the percentage of the electorate claiming to be liberal stayed fairly steady. But what really hurt us was the so called independents and moderates not bothering to show up and vote, or flipping their votes. Independents went 51% for democrats in 2008, but only 37% for democrats in 2010.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Youths and minority turn out dropped a few points, but what really nailed us is that Independents broke for the Republicans, and elderly white voters increased turnout. We were overwhelmed and ill-prepared for the racial backlash.
okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)msongs
(67,394 posts)republicans want to take away your social security
republicans want to take away your health care
republicans want to deport you and your family (oops, can't use that one)
republicans want to take away your right to vote
republicans want to take away your right to choose
etc
randr
(12,409 posts)the Democrats can not lose. The future is in their hands.
Along with a strong turnout from the women.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,402 posts)Fingers-crossed
former9thward
(31,973 posts)And only polled less than 5% of the 435 districts.
ybbor
(1,554 posts)That was a long time ago.
I hope it is relevant today, but what took so long getting it out to the public?
I had been very optimistic until Nate Silver's prediction last month. Perhaps he did not have this data to use, although he was speaking of the Senate and this is the House.
Just wondering.
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)Usually based on 'if the election was held today.' Things can change -- and will, if we do our part.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,078 posts)The MSM has been pushing the gloom-and-doom-for-Democrats meme. The problem is, most people don't get their information from the MSM any more. Or, their own reality says otherwise, and they aren't buying it.
I suspect that the latest Supreme Court campaign finance decision also has a hand in these results. People see the political leanings of the justices who voted in favor of it, as well as the politicians who are defending it. And, they know what will happen if those people take over the House, too.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Obama and Reid and Pelosi need to get on board with Sanders and Warren and Grayson.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Because we've already got that. Everyone gets real liberal around election time. Funny that.
freebrew
(1,917 posts)We need his 50 state strategy. I didn't vote in the April election here. Why? There weren't ANY Democrats running for office in the primary here. Which will mean that Vicki Hartzler(Teabagger) will be back in the house, all of our idiot repub state legislators will be RWNJ controlled, and since this is Nixon's last term, we'll have a RWNJ governor again.
The Democratic party needs to get their act together. Seriously!
Chemisse
(30,807 posts)lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)dicksmc3
(262 posts)Now everyone of you Dems get out to the polls come November and let's make this happen!!
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)The data is seven months old.
The only positive thing about this poll is that it shows we might have a chance in the next seven months to turn things back around. You might as well base your gasoline budget on pump prices from last October.
God, why do so many progressives live in fricken' La-La Land?
IronLionZion
(45,418 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Kablooie
(18,625 posts)You'd think getting our own side to help defeat insanity would be easy but it's harder than getting Republicans to turn on their own.
4_TN_TITANS
(2,977 posts)"that the voting public is not gullible", I'm very suspicious. WTF happened in Congress from 1994 to 2006 ???
fujiyama
(15,185 posts)I know you didn't write that. C and L did. I don't know what their definition of "new" is. This may as well be a poll from 2012. It's well known that in politics that circumstances can change in an instant.
I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but delusion isn't healthy. The gerrymandering alone is tough to get past. And then there's even more restrictive voter laws, on top of a sense of apathy and discontent among democratic constituencies. And this was before all the media hype over Obamacare (though it's recent successes have yet to be reflected in polls), and a million other things going on...none of which have really boosted the Democrats' chances in the fall.
In all honesty, I'd be thrilled if Dems can hold on to the Senate at this point. The House seems gone for at least two election cycles, though if Hillary has strong coattails in '16, then maybe we'll see a flip sooner.
Cha
(297,123 posts)progressoid
(49,969 posts)BlindTiresias
(1,563 posts)It's very old
saratunia
(1 post)Fact is Republicans are far more likely to take control of the Senate than Democrats to take the House.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,779 posts)where R's in those Districts were, as noted in many articles, supposedly willing to end the shutdown (knowing their margins were thin in those districts). Dems only need 17 of those. A couple of those Districts are right here in PA (e.g., 6th, 7th & 8th Congressional).
This one (6th) is especially being targeted - http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/06/gerlach-retirement-opens-up-swing-district-in-pennsylvania/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
So far there are 43 retirements that have been announced (24 R's & 19 Ds) and some pickups are definitely possible with a good GOTV effort -
http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/members/113/house/departures
IronLionZion
(45,418 posts)we can do anything we put our mind to if enough of us show up to the polls. There are competitive districts out there, because of gerrymandering! GOP tried to remove dem districts by redistributing voters into other districts, which has put some of them in play.
Welcome to DU
4dsc
(5,787 posts)and win. Republicans have given our party more than enough ammunition to win come November. IF only we have candidates who are not afraid to use them against republicans.
toddwv
(2,830 posts)I'd love to see the GOP lose the House, but the poll is based on the after-effects of the Tea Party instigated government shutdown.
Unfortunately, the US populace has a short political memory for things like this and, while it may weigh in as a part of their overall ideology, it probably simply doesn't have the umpfh it once had.
Hulk
(6,699 posts)I wouldn't count on it. We aren't playing with characters that play by any ethical rules. These mf'ers have, and WILL do anything to win elections - right down to out in the open cheating. I'm not putting any faith in this post...none!
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)yodermon
(6,143 posts)congress.
#shallacking nod wink
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)These are some of the latest polls.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/house/
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)onenote
(42,686 posts)I've heard of grasping at straws, but this is ridiculous.
brooklynite
(94,490 posts)Until you have candidate vs candidate numbers, it's not worth polling.
BTW - I've spoken to a number of (D) Candidates in this cycle, and almost none think that, nationwide, we're likely to take back the House.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)If the House was in Democratic hands, those people would have health care now, because the House would have fixed it.
tclambert
(11,085 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)...but too many Dems are cowards and won't fight back.
Is Obamacare (ACA) perfect? Hell, no! I want single payer or at least a public option, damnit!
However, is it much better than what's now in place? Hell, yes!! And Democrats--of ALL stripes--need to get out there and sing it from the hillstops if we want to save this nation from the likes of Rand Paul and Susanah Martinez!!
RainDog
(28,784 posts)Socal31
(2,484 posts)Be vary suspicious of anyone who tries to suggest that November is a foregone conclusion, either way.
(Not suggesting OP is one of them)