So .... who wants to visit GA

[flying-skeleton]

[OLDMDDEM]

1. who wants to visit Georgia?

Why would anyone want to visit Georgia, or Florida?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

28. I live in FL and ask myself that very question. lol nt

[Peacetrain]

2. I am sure there are lovely people in Georgia

that I would enjoy visiting.. never been there.. will never go there as long as they have this kind of wild west rodeo of guns going on. The other thing that is going to hurt Ga in the long run, is industry will stop building in places that has armed workers coming into plants, office buildings etc. schools (I remember when a teacher had a break with reality at our highschool over 50 years ago..I cannot imagine what would have happened had he been armed).. just on safety issues.. This was not a well thought out plan.

[SevenSixtyTwo]

3. Wife and I are going to Georgia

In three weeks. Both armed. If I suddenly stop posting...

[Glorfindel]

4. Not to mention the world's busiest airport

I'm from Georgia, and most of my family still live there. I'll still visit whenever I can, but I'm not proud of my native state. Even Mississippi - EVEN MISSISSIPPI - has more sensible gun laws.

I wonder if we shouldn't think about boycotting Delta Airlines, Coca-Cola, Home Depot, and UPS.

[DFW]

5. I was just there, but not exactly on a visit.

I was changing planes in Atlanta on the way back to Germany. They were both Delta planes, but it was an Air France ticket (codeshare). I'm no fan of Delta, but no one else has a regular nonstop from the South to Düsseldorf. Totally full plane, too, so I'm not alone.

[CTyankee]

11. why did you have to connect in Atlanta? I NEVER have to fly out of Atlanta when I go to/return from

Europe and I go every year. I either fly out of JFK or Logan. Mostly JFK.

[DFW]

18. You don't have a lot of options if you want to land in Düsseldorf

I hate taking overnight flights and then having to go through security again, wait 2 hours, and take another one hour flight. After an overnight flight, all I want to do is rest.

There only 3 viable options from the east (I was leaving from Washington) to Düsseldorf: NYC area, Chicago or Atlanta--either that or fly directly out of Washington to Europe and do the hated change of planes after the long haul. If you do this a lot, as I do, you know that if you MUST change planes, you want to do it early in the trip, and have the longest leg of the trip land you at your final destination. As I flew over on Air France, and I am Platinum for life with them, I saved thousands of euros by doing the round trip with them. One way fares are insanely expensive except on Air Berlin. Air France doesn't fly nonstop to Düsseldorf from North America except as a codeshare with Delta out of Atlanta. Otherwise, it's Air Berlin or Lufthansa from New York or American out of Chicago. Lufthansa may have kept the Chicago route, too--I haven't kept track of them. I gave up on them years ago. After a few "well, that's just your tough luck" responses to missed connections that were their fault, I needed to find an airline that was willing to do something about it. Much to my surprise (this is going back over 15 years), that was Air France.

To make the connection out of DC, it doesn't change much if you fly an hour to JFK, a commuter to Newark, or an hour and 20 minutes to either Chicago or Atlanta. So, while I did have the option of taking an Air France plane, with service ten times better than Delta, directly to Paris from Dulles, I would have had to arrive in Paris at 6:00 AM, walk a mile to immigration and go through security again with the morning business rush at De Gaulle. That's what I usually do, but leaving Atlanta at 5 PM and landing directly in Düsseldorf was well worth the lack of a bigger film selection.

[CTyankee]

19. OK. Makes sense.

I actually don't mind the overnight to Europe, but my flight back last month was super exhausting. An hour's drive from the little medieval town I was staying in to the Florence airport, a half hour wait to connect to Rome, a couple of hours wait for the flight to JFK, and then of course a long limo ride to New Haven, with of course my stop the last on the route. I walked into my house at 2 a.m. having been up since daybreak. My jet lag on return trips is bad enough, but exhaustion and a head cold just about flattened me for days...for some reason I'm not bothered by jet lag going over, just coming back. And I'll never fly alitalia again...

I'm going to look for better options when I go to Spain next April...hoping to get a reasonably priced nonstop from Barcelona to JFK and not to have a change of planes in Madrid, altho I guess I could just take a couple of days in Madrid and wander through the Prado, Reina Sophia and Thyssen museums...I kinda like Madrid...

I so agree about CDG. On our flight from Paris my travel buddy's large duffle handle broke and we had to drag it through the airport...fortunately a young man offered his help...what a lifesaver...and yes, Air France is wonderful...

[DFW]

21. You have several options

I'm pretty sure Delta flies nonstop to Barcelona from JFK, American too. If you book far enough in advance, the nonstop shouldn't cost much more than a connection. I don't know what your budget is. Another alternative is Air Berlin connecting through Düsseldorf. I take them down to Barcelona all the time, maybe once every six weeks. I used to live there when I was a teenager, can still speak Catalan well enough that the locals think I'm from some other Catalan-speaking province (usually Mallorca--go figure). I LOVE that city, never tire of going back there. A tip--if you're spending the extra money for business class, NEVER take an airline domiciled in the country of departure. The business class fare from Germany to the USA is always half the price (or less!) if you take Air France and change in Paris. Same goes if you are leaving from France and are willing to change in Germany. Lufthansa and Air France have a little war to attract business travelers, and you can get amazing business class fares if you know how to find them. They are sometimes barely above the economy fares if you have a travel agent who knows what he or she is doing, and you know far enough in advance when you are traveling.

Düsseldorf has the advantage of being a relatively compact and efficient intercontinental airport--all the modern features you could want, as it burned down in 1996 and was rebuilt from the ground up. Plus it has the size of a decent regional airport--nothing is far away. When I was appointed station chief for my outfit for Europe, I had the choice of picking Frankfurt or Düsseldorf to settle in, and I picked Düsseldorf, largely for the airport.

I totally hear you about New Haven. When I fly back to the States, one cardinal rule is that I/we ALWAYS spend the first night at the final airport of the trip. No matter HOW close a drive it is, we don't do it until the following day. Our next planned trip is to the outer tip of Cap Cod. We fly into Boston, and we will spend the first night there, no matter what. It's usually less than a 3 hour drive, even with summer traffic, to the outer cape, but there's no way we're doing that after an hour flight to CDG, a 2 hour layover, and then another 8 hours to Bosstown.

One thing about CDG that is a plus--they have FINALLY figured that if a flight arrives from some civilized country within the EU with decent security, they do NOT have to send everyone through security again for a connection. On the way to Chicago this month, I changed at CDG and lo and behold--just show the passport and NO SECURITY to board the plane to Chicago. I guess the French trust the Germans to do the security thing as well as they do (reasonable assumption).

[CTyankee]

23. If I am traveling from New Haven with a friend, we always get a private limo to and from the airport

Surprisingly, it is not a lot more expensive shared than the limo service in a mini-bus. I would never drive myself to and from JFK...

[DFW]

24. That surprised me too.

When I'm at my office in Dallas and have to go to the airport, they get me a limo. At first, I protested it as being stupidly extravagant until they showed me beyond a doubt that it cost exactly the same price as a run down yellow taxi.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

29. As long as you stay in the airport... :) nt

[DFW]

36. 110 minutes does not leave a lot of time to see the sights

Especially considering the traffic on I-75 to or from the airport in the late afternoon

[Sarah Ibarruri]

40. It will allow you maybe a chance to get in a taxi, circle the airport, and get back in time to run

to the gate!

[blkmusclmachine]

6. Fantastic reason to boycott everything Georgia.

[jameshnixon]

16. Georgia is great

Please do not do that, our farmers suffer enough at the hands of the current Government. They need the money.

[octoberlib]

17. Welcome to DU!

You're a candidate for the Georgia Senate?

[RKP5637]

26. States get slammed sometimes, but certainly not all people in a state are representative of

those who govern. It's so sad, when everyone in a state gets tagged as being like those who govern, it's just not the case.

[Brigid]

7. Not I.

It's bad enough that Georgia is coming here (NRA gunfest in town this weekend).

[sakabatou]

8. Only reason why is to visit my girlfriend

[AlinPA]

9. We have good friends in GA. They hate it but appear to be stuck because of their jobs. They have

said that when they retire (soon) they are leaving for NY.

[CTyankee]

10. Off MY list. Not that I NEED to go to Atlanta or anywhere else in GA.

Forget it, charlie. Not going, no way, no how. I have too much respect for my life and well being.

[krispos42]

12. This has absolutely zero impact on my desire (or lack thereof) to go to Georgia

People in Georgia remain at vastly larger risk from being shot in a public place by a career criminal illegally carrying a gun than a licensed concealed-carrier.

It's a moral panic issue. The same people that carry concealed day in, day out, and that go inside dozens of businesses a week without incident can now add another building or two to their daily activities. Jeez, that's really a drastic increase worthy of fear and paranoia, right?

The constant portrayal of people with CCW permits as violent, short-tempered, eager for a change to legally kill, and of a shoot-first-ask-questions-later mentality is nothing more than a stereotype. A product of a cultural war.

Think hard about this... in order to get a pistol permit, you have to have a very clean criminal records... which means that the short-tempered, hair-trigger, violent people get filtered out immediately.

And it is a well-known fact that people that kill in self-defense go generally go through a protracted (and potentially expensive) legal process that affects their family and intrudes in their privacy, at a minimum, and can result in JAIL TIME if a jury decides so. And, because murder has no statute of limitations, at any time during the rest of his or her life, that person can be arrested for manslaughter or murder, even if the initial investigation resulted in no charges. New evidence, and all that jazz.

Trust me, nothing will happen.

[Jgarrick]

35. +1

[otohara]

41. Men Prancing Around With Guns

is the last thing I want my grandchildren to see.

Mom did the man with the gun want to kill me?

Myth #3: An armed society is a polite society.
Fact-check: Drivers who carry guns are 44% more likely than unarmed drivers to make obscene gestures at other motorists, and 77% more likely to follow them aggressively.
• Among Texans convicted of serious crimes, those with concealed-handgun licenses were sentenced for threatening someone with a firearm 4.8 times more than those without.
• In states with Stand Your Ground and other laws making it easier to shoot in self-defense, those policies have been linked to a 7 to 10% increase in homicides.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check

[Agschmid]

14. Uh...

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

15. I had a chance to move to Atlanta a couple years ago

when my employer transferred my job there from Minneapolis. I retired instead. I am even more convinced than ever that was the right thing to do.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

20. I just don't get it

It seems to me the "principle" of RKBA anywhere and everywhere for no other reason than "because it's my constitutional right" has become more important/compelling than the practicality/logic of having guns anywhere and everywhere. Yeah, crazy stuff can and certainly does happen in all kinds of places but nowhere near frequently enough so as to justify the actual need for carrying weapons around everywhere most of us go on a regular basis on the oft chance that somebody will perpetrate a massacre/hostage crisis and there will be armed "good guys with a gun" present to immediately respond to the situation.

[craigmatic]

22. The gun deaths are going through the roof next year.

[Eleanors38]

32. What's your best guess?

[craigmatic]

37. maybe 1000 + more deaths after this

[aikoaiko]

25. And lions and tigers and bears! Oh Noes!!!

Surely the anti-gunners can point to data showing massive gun death increases from concealed carry licencees from other states that have similar laws.

Surely.

[Eleanors38]

31. Look out! A pterodactyl is coming in low!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

27. I live just south of GA, and can attest to the fact that GA is one HOT MESS

FILLED with racists, Repukes, racism, its prick of a governor has REFUSED to extend Obamacare (so Georgians are going without healthcare), they have a mentality like it's Shootout at the Ok Corral, and too much more. But then, hey, it's part of THE SOUTH, and The South has never not been f*d up. It was f*d up before the Civil War, and it continues f*d up to this very day.

[Eleanors38]

30. GA is finally sharing the regionalism burden with FL.

[aikoaiko]

33. 47% of us voted for Obama in 2008. 45.5% in 2012. We're not so bad.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

34. :( But you have to deal with the "other" Georgians. nt

[BlueDemKev]

38. Tell me about it!

I live here in Georgia, so I know!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

39. LOL! Bottoms up is the only way! nt

[KentuckyWoman]

42. I wish people would just stop lying about this law.

I pretty much hate guns. I am very uncomfortable around guns..... I have hunters in my extended family so there are hunting weapons about. My dad taught us all gun safety as just another thing being in rural Kentucky - right beside getting the skunk smell off the dog. But the men in my family who owns guns don't bring them around me.. at least not openly.

I get it that a lot of people hate guns to the point of wanting them outlawed for everyone period. But please let's just be honest about the laws here.

http://www.georgiacarry.org/cms/georgias-carry-laws-explained/frequently-asked-questions/


Registered carry permit holders don't have to drive all the way home and lock up the gun before stopping by the school to pick up the kids. It means a school employee with a permit who has to drive through a very dangerous part of town to get from home to job can lock the legal gun in their car out in the parking lot during their work day.

It means a restaurant, bar, church, store, college etc can tell you not to bring the thing in the building but you can't be prosecuted for having it in your car out in their parking lot.

This mantra that Georgia is allowing people to come in an waive guns around in kindergarten classes is just kinda silly.

[Kablooie]

43. Time will tell if this law increases or decreases safety.

I hope they keep data so the law can be evaluated.
Having actual data to compare with states without this sort of law may reveal some truths.
We will have to wait and see.