A couple of things about Elizabeth Warren

[Evergreen Emerald]

Elizabeth Warren Runs From Question About Israeli Invasion of Gaza

Sen. Barbara Boxer has introduced a VERY pro-Israel bill...and it's co-sponsored by Elizabeth Warren

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251372855


I believe these two actions by Ms. Warren show a few things.

1. That she does not have experience or savvy or sufficient knowledge in foreign policy issues. And, by running away from the questions, that she is politically green in her response, and in her lack of answer.

2. That she felt the need to politically garner favor for the Jewish vote by making a pro-Israel statement and therefore co-sponsored the bill—despite the liberal opposition and the risk of defined as “hawkish, which tells me she is not ruling out running for President.

3. The forgiveness Ms. Warren has been shown for these actions on this board is completely opposite of the treatment Ms. Clinton has received.

[Agnosticsherbet]

1. It shows two things.

1. She supports israel because she is not just voting for a bill on a hot button issue, but co-sponsoring it.
2. She recognizes that the many of us on the left will freak out about that, so she is avoiding trying to give a nuanced explanation that many of her supporters see as an us or them issue.

I said that without, in any way, belittling Ms Warren who has shown herself to be a canny and smart politician, who isn't running for President.

[Evergreen Emerald]

2. That is the best spin you could have put on the actions.

proving my point.

[Agnosticsherbet]

3. Your comments appeared to belittle her by attacking her intelligence, maturity

and motives, either to bolster support for Hillary Clinton or to paint Warren and Clinton with the same brush and thereby making them both unacceptable to the left.

I do not see a reason to completely agree with a politician or belittle them anymore. It doesn't work. Warren and Clinton are complex individuals not archetypes of virtue. We can disagree with a policy (say their policy towards Israel) without assuming they are stealth Mossad backed Teapublicans from the pits of hell. (Th last sentence included some hyperbole.)

Personally, I think Israel's limited conflict in the Gaza Strip is doomed to failure as it was in 2012, 2010, 2008, and 2006 because it doesn't address the underlying problems. I think US money and support should hinge on Israel adjusting their policies in some way. Warren is not required to agree with me. It will be one factor in the possibility of my donating money when she is ready to run for office again.

[Evergreen Emerald]

4. You misunderstand

I was not questioning the intelligence of Ms. Warren. I was pointing out that Ms. Warren showed a lack of political savvy and knowledge of foreign policy. Her co-sponsoring the bill was a political attempt to fix that error, and to shore up the Jewish vote for a potential run.

I agree that there is no reason to belittle politicians. I also agree with you regarding Israel. And, I hope you are just as vocal in your reasonableness of the politician's actions when the politician is Ms. Clinton. (adding) That certainly has not been the norm on this board.

[Agnosticsherbet]

5. If Ms. Clinton wins the nomination, I will support her against whatever candidate

is nominated by Republicans. The same is true of Warren, if she changes her mind, decides to run, and wins the nomination.

I haven't decided who I will support in the primary, since there are no official candidates on the left, yet that I know of, though I have little doubt Clinton will run.

[rock]

6. Your position is invincible

at least by rational argument. It's my position also.

[hollowdweller]

7. I'm not sure

Maybe she's just a big supporter of Israel and it's not about running at all?

To me Elizabeth Warren is about economic inequality and the middle class.

I don't think she has enough foreign policy experience to be president and I don't want her to run.

The democratic party goes out in the weeds all the time over Foreign Policy, or Minority Rights, or Gun Control.

All those issues are important but I believe where we have been losing the heartland so to speak is in the parties failure to address the erosion of the middle class and workers rights and pay.

If Elizabeth Warren was president she'd be having to deal with a lot of other things which might cause the party to lose focus on economic populism which is the winning issue.

I'm pretty much willing to forgive her stands on all other issues as long as she is a big spokesman for the most important one.

Hillary obviously has way more foreign policy experience. I personally thought she would be one of the most effective SOS's we ever had. I don't think she did as much as Kerry has tried to do so far, and I think that the lack of progress will be used against her. However far as actual experience she has it all over Warren.

[4now]

8. A lot of liberals are hiding from this topic

Rachel Maddow is another one.

[Evergreen Emerald]

9. Regarding her SOS "Accomplishments"

No Secretary of State has ever had to come with "accomplishments." It is a right wing talking point in an attempt to minimize her superior job as SOS.

Under bush we destroyed any goodwill we had around the world and our reputation turned to Nothing . She worked diligently in attempt to undo the destruction bush and rice "accomplished." John Kerry has done no more than Clinton. Although the Israel conflict puts Kerry more in the limelight. She worked just as hard, and just as well.

[JayhawkSD]

15. Yes, supporting the military coup in Honduras was brilliant. nt

[JaydenD]

10. Has there been any politician that has spoken out against the Israel slaughter of Palestinians

publicly?
If you can name one, some, please do, until then I don't expect Warren to be the first and take that big risk. We all know it would be a death knell for her career.

[Evergreen Emerald]

11. So, she took a stand for political gain.

Usually, DU is not so understanding or forgiving.

[JaydenD]

12. As they all are doing.

I would like to see that change but I doubt that is going to happen soon so I am not laying that brunt on Warren alone. It doesn't change my mind that she is a great senator and would be a great leader.

[blkmusclmachine]

13. Well, we know who/what Hillary supports, yes? I think we do ...

[Evergreen Emerald]

14. Hmmm. Sounds like a double standard. Yes, I think it does.

[1StrongBlackMan]

17. This ought to be good ...