Liberals Seek Alternative to Hillary Clinton

[Purveyor]

Would-Be 2016 Challengers Test the Waters With Democratic Activists, Donors

By Peter Nicholas
Oct. 24, 2014 7:28 p.m. ET

KEENE, N.H.—Searching for an alternative to Hillary Clinton for 2016, some Democratic donors are meeting with potential challengers. Liberal activists are trying to coax Sen. Elizabeth Warren into running. Politicians not named Hillary Clinton are testing their appeal in New Hampshire and Iowa.

As formidable as Mrs. Clinton looks even before declaring herself a candidate, liberals are casting about for a committed populist to run against her in 2016. They see the former secretary of state and senator as too closely aligned with large corporations and question whether she can be counted on to narrow the income gap in America.

They hope to either recruit a candidate able to capture the nomination outright or at least give Mrs. Clinton enough of a scare that she embraces progressive policy goals. Their aim is to make the primary process a debate over the Democratic Party’s direction, rather than an uncontested march by Mrs. Clinton to the nomination.

Guy Saperstein, a Democratic donor and part-owner of the Oakland A’s baseball team, met privately at his home near San Francisco last week with Sen. Bernie Sanders, an independent from Vermont who has long championed liberal causes. Mr. Sanders says he is considering a presidential bid and wants to gauge whether he can raise enough money.

In their conversation, Mr. Saperstein said, he told Mr. Sanders that he couldn’t support him until he is assured Ms. Warren, of Massachusetts, won’t run. But he said he isn’t inclined to give money to Mrs. Clinton in any scenario, saying he is “extremely concerned” about what he called her “closeness to Wall Street.”

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[tazkcmo]

1. Don't know why

She's inevitable, chosen, crowned and nominated.

[shraby]

2. There are two surnames I'm totally tired of. Clinton and Bush.

This country needs to move on. The right wing hates Clinton so bad that they will be absolutely vicious if she becomes the nominee.
They already have their attack lines prepared.
I'll vote for the Dem. who is the presidential nominee, but I'm sure we can pick a better one than Hilary.

[LawDeeDah]

12. the right wing will hate Clinton less than they have Obama.

There can't be any worse treatment than what he is going through. I have a feeling Clinton and the pugs will get along much better and there will be a lot less arguing about healthcare, SS and taxing the rich, etc.,

[LiberalElite]

27. and we'll still be screwed nt

[former9thward]

84. No, Clinton (Bill) said he had it worse than Obama.

Toxic Partisanship? Bill Clinton Says He Had It Worse, Yet Got Things Done

But there is a counter view being offered by a former Democratic president that as far as personal attacks go, he, Bill Clinton, had it worse. “Nobody’s accused him of murder yet, as far as I know. I mean, it was pretty rough back then,” Mr. Clinton said last month in an interview aired by PBS, when asked about the partisan climate facing Mr. Obama.

Whatever Mr. Clinton’s motivations, his comments, which his former aides frequently refer to when the topic comes up, do not permit Mr. Obama to excuse his legislative setbacks by simply citing hyper-partisanship. As one former White House aide to Mr. Clinton put it: “They impeached our guy.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/25/us/politics/toxic-partisanship-bill-clinton-says-he-had-it-worse-than-obama.html

[DonCoquixote]

93. another cheap shot by Bubba

and another reminder why I do not want this man or his wife anywehere enar 1600 pennyslvania ave. Of course they hit Obama harder, because you helped give away the sotre with the telecommuncations act! You also helped play the race card against him, and your wife is tyring to play it to get elected!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

96. Thank you! Fuck the Clintons! Sick of them. They went to Faux News. Ran to Limbaugh.

Planted the seeds of division with the race and Muslim card. The un-American bullshit!

That is unforgivable!

To this day, the Democratic Party has never been the same.

Fuck them!

[DonCoquixote]

104. Chris Rock had a routine where he described America

He said America is like having an uncle that paid your way through College, but molested you when you were a kid. That is how I feel about the Clintons. Yes, I appreciate the fact they helped bring about some prosperity,mostly through taxing the rich (albeit not nearly as mkuch as they should be.) On the other hand, we are still reaping the weeds from his gutting of the telecommuncatiosn act and Glass-Steagall. He is also doing his best to preserve the priviledge of the rich, white people of his generations, now that they have locked all the remaning "hippies" to a pasture of obscurity.

[BeyondGeography]

103. He's wrong

And fuck him for saying that.

[ladjf]

26. Many disagree. nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

3. She IS a Liberal....the same way Elizabeth Warren is....

this is FAR LEFT Fringe types....Democrat Leaning Independents that are just pissed that Hillary has 64% approval among ACTUAL Democrats....

That is all....all they know how to do is whine....we should offer them cheese!

[INdemo]

5. Hillary is not a liberal.

She is another Obama(A true Republican lite). She might give one hell of a "liberal style" speech and act as if she is supporting every liberal cause that voters want but when she leaves the podium she turns to Wall Street donors and the Buffett type donors and reminds them that she is still on their side. As with Obama just count the Republicans and the Wall Street puppets that he has appoint to his cabinet. Hillary would be no different. So there is no comparison to Elizabeth Warren because Hillary is no liberal and she certainly is not, never be a liberal as is Warren.
If Hillary wins the nomination (which I don't think she will) but if big money buys her the nomination Democrats lose.
Hillary could run on the Republican ticket and have a good chance of winning with the big buck donors she has.
Yep..Republican lite

[VanillaRhapsody]

8. bullshit....she is to the LEFT of Obama.....No matter how you slice it....

I knew that before Obama won the Primary and it was WHY I supported her first....I knew it...



Hillary Clinton is a Populist-Leaning Liberal.
http://ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm



Elizabeth Warren is a Populist-Leaning Liberal.
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Elizabeth_Warren.htm

and for the coup de gras..



Barack Obama is a Populist-Leaning Liberal.
http://www.ontheissues.org/barack_obama.htm

[PAProgressive28]

9. Damn

You're right

[daleanime]

11. Well, you totally convinced me....

[VanillaRhapsody]

14. read for yourself I provided the links which supports my position....

with LOTS and LOTS of evidence there....

just denying it doesn't make it a fact!

[Thinkingabout]

61. It amazes me so many thinks Hillary is so close to Wall Street and when you look at other possibles

you see the same "closeness" to Wall Street. When a candidate is declared from any direction who has a possibility of being elected as president there are going to be Wall Street donations along with lots of corporations. Corporations wants their opportunity to have access to the president so they donate to more than one candidate. It takes lots of money to run a campaign, the left sure does not have the bucks to donate for a candidate to run and be elected.

Hillary has fought for civil rights while in her college days, has lived an adult life as a Democrat, worked hard for women's rights, for education, equal pay and increasing minimum wages. Her experience is deep, has met with world leaders and travel and worked with many countries, she gets it.

[VanillaRhapsody]

64. Even Bernie Sanders should he try to become a Democrat!

[cascadiance]

42. This graph that was created by LIBERTARIANS is itself questionable in how it measures...

... candidates as noted in previous threads by an excellent response by winter_is_coming earlier...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024880308#post50

Whenever you look at graphs like this, you have to not just look at their "results" but look at how they evaluate and generate these "results". There's a lot of bias through many "quizzes" like this one, and it doesn't seem like a coincidence that this graph is promoted by that Hillary Clinton leaning site that you continue to link to.

Here's another graph that I think probably reflects more a real picture of where candidates are relative to each other...



http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008

And Vanilla, if you take issue with the methodology of this graph, then you can see why that in effect also makes what you post also be potentially just as biased, and not just a neutral method of measuring people's politics.

The graph you quote in effect states that "populists" want to have more "rule" from the top and tries to use the Libertarian's mantra of saying it is more "statist" than they are and is why they are put as opposites in that poll. For PEOPLE, populists want MORE freedom from the corporate controlled government, not LESS, which is implied with this graph. For CORPORATIONS, perhaps one could argue that populists want more control over them than Libertarians do. But we all know who likes to have corporations have the rights of people now don't we!

[VanillaRhapsody]

43. its a whole bunch of folks of all political persuasions.....better check again!

Here is how they rate Bernie Sanders....do you disagree?




and just for grins and giggles....here is Bill Clinton...

[cascadiance]

45. I disagree with the notion that Libertarians want more freedom than populists! Do YOU?

Or do you like Libertarian beliefs more than those of populists?

This graph is SKEWED to make it look like Libertarians are more for right conservatism and "less statist" than ALL of those on the left.

The older graphing methodologies make a lot more sense in my book, where in the upper left corner you have the left wing dictators and the upper right corner the fascists. At the bottom you have anarchists. The left wants LESS dictatorship over people as individuals but more control over corporations as NON people that corporatists consider "people" and seem to embed that confusion in these newer graphs you put up. These newer graphs try to hide the distinctions between corporatists and those who aren't, by trying to amplify social issues and deemphasize the issues surrounding freedom from corporate rule by making the FALSE inference that populism favors more authoritarian control when they DON'T.

This graph FALSELY claims to measure populism, when it doesn't. Ask most occupy people who are the definition of populism the last two election cycles, and they would say this graph doesn't measure where they feel they are, which is not closer to Bill Clinton than Bernie Sanders.

[VanillaRhapsody]

48. frankly I don't care what you disagree with....the facts are right there that they used...

so put in your pipe and smoke it!

Where are all your facts and statistics?

[cascadiance]

51. Funny how you can state NO facts in your posts..

And I have already stated a few of them, including lifting a "fact" from your page to analyze it. You seem to be incapable of looking at detail. Why is that I wonder? Maybe you are a robot?

Interesting that though you have no interest or concern that Warren is a factor in the race, you far outpace others here with around 40% of its posts. Hmm... Are you secretly in love with Elizabeth Warren and don't want her unreachable if she becomes president?

[VanillaRhapsody]

56. Here are ALL my facts..

http://ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm!



right there!!!!

and YOU have JACK!

[cascadiance]

59. That's a LINK, NOT a "fact"!

I rest my case that you are INCAPABLE of talking specifics!

You evidently failed debate class or never came close to being on a debate team in high school, as you'd know that you need articles to back up your arguments, but you can't just throw those articles on the table and not try to build an argument YOURSELF to argue for or against an issue. You don't seem to understand that!

ontheissues.org site is not unbiased, and you know it too!

[VanillaRhapsody]

60. Oh you want the facts here? Well here you go...

Strongly Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's unrestricted right
(+5 points on Social scale) Lift ban on stem cell research to cure devastating diseases: Favors topic 1
Respect Roe v. Wade, but make adoptions easier too: Favors topic 1
Alternatives to pro-choice like forced pregnancy in Romania: Strongly Favors topic 1
Must safeguard constitutional rights, including choice: Favors topic 1
Remain vigilant on a woman’s right to chose: Favors topic 1
Keep abortion safe, legal and rare: Favors topic 1
Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion: Favors topic 1
Supports parental notice & family planning: Opposes topic 1
No abortion for sex selection in China: Opposes topic 1
Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus: Favors topic 1
Endorsed Recommended by EMILY's List of pro-choice women: Favors topic 1
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record: Strongly Favors topic 1
Expand embryonic stem cell research: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims: Favors topic 1
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance: Strongly Favors topic 1
Provide emergency contraception at military facilities: Favors topic 1
Ensure access to and funding for contraception: Favors topic 1
Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception: Favors topic 1
NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP: Favors topic 1
NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime: Favors topic 1
YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives: Favors topic 1
NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions: Favors topic 1
YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines: Favors topic 1
Strongly Favors topic 2:
Legally require hiring women & minorities
(-5 points on Economic scale) Some world leaders are still misogynistic: Favors topic 2
We’ve come a long way on race, but we have a long way to go: Strongly Favors topic 2
Apologize for slavery, but concentrate on civil rights now: Favors topic 2
Human rights are women’s rights: Neutral on topic 2
Women’s rights are human rights: Favors topic 2
OpEd: "18 million cracks" meant "lingering sexism": Strongly Favors topic 2
Equal pay is not yet equal: Strongly Favors topic 2
1988: Instituted gender diversity Report Card within ABA: Strongly Opposes topic 2
Argued with Bill Clinton about diluting affirmative action: Strongly Favors topic 2
Shift from group preferences to economic empowerment of all: Neutral on topic 2
Sponsored bill maintaining role of women in armed forces: Favors topic 2
Rated 96% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance: Strongly Favors topic 2
Recognize Juneteenth as historical end of slavery: Strongly Favors topic 2
Re-introduce the Equal Rights Amendment: Strongly Favors topic 2
Reinforce anti-discrimination and equal-pay requirements: Favors topic 2
Ban discriminatory compensation; allow 2 years to sue: Favors topic 2
Sponsored bill enforcing against gender pay discrimination: Strongly Favors topic 2
Strongly Favors topic 3:
Comfortable with same-sex marriage
(+5 points on Social scale) Increase America’s commitment against Global AIDS: Favors topic 3
DOMA discrimination holds us back from a more perfect union: Strongly Favors topic 3
I support gay marriage personally and as law: Strongly Favors topic 3
Let states decide gay marriage; they’re ahead of feds: Favors topic 3
2004:defended traditional marriage; 2006:voted for same-sex: Strongly Favors topic 3
Federal Marriage Amendment would be terrible step backwards: Favors topic 3
Gays deserve domestic partnership benefits: Strongly Favors topic 3
Military service based on conduct, not sexual orientation: Favors topic 3
More funding and stricter sentencing for hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance: Strongly Favors topic 3
Provide benefits to domestic partners of Federal employees: Strongly Favors topic 3
YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage: Strongly Favors topic 3
No opinion on topic 4:
Keep God in the public sphere
(0 points on Social scale) Partner with faith based community in empowerment zones: Strongly Favors topic 4
Tap into churches to avoid more Louima & Diallo cases: Favors topic 4
Community involvement helps, but only in short term: Favors topic 4
Link payments to good parenting behavior: Opposes topic 4
Allow student prayer, but no religious instruction: Opposes topic 4
Character education: teach empathy & self-discipline: Favors topic 4
Change what kids see in the media: Favors topic 4
Co-sponsored bill to criminalize flag-burning: Favors topic 4
Rated 0% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-Family-Value voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 4
Rated 100% by the AU, indicating support of church-state separation: Strongly Opposes topic 4
NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration: Opposes topic 4
Strongly Favors topic 5:
Expand ObamaCare
(-5 points on Economic scale) Outcry if AIDS were leading disease of young whites: Favors topic 5
Lower costs and improve quality and cover everybody: Strongly Favors topic 5
Supply more medical needs of families, & insure all children: Strongly Favors topic 5
Medicare should be strengthened today: Favors topic 5
Smaller steps to progress on health care: Favors topic 5
Guaranteed benefits & focus on prevention: Neutral on topic 5
2006: If I can't do universal coverage, why run?: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care will not work if it is voluntary: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care coverage by the end of my second term: Strongly Favors topic 5
We need a uniquely American solution to health care: Favors topic 5
Health care initiatives are her first priority in Senate: Strongly Favors topic 5
Establish "report cards" on HMO quality of care: Favors topic 5
Invest funds to alleviate the nursing shortage: Favors topic 5
Let states make bulk Rx purchases, and other innovations: Opposes topic 5
Rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record: Strongly Favors topic 5
Preserve access to Medicaid & SCHIP during economic downturn: Strongly Favors topic 5
NO on means-testing to determine Medicare Part D premium: Favors topic 5
NO on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit: Favors topic 5
NO on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit: Opposes topic 5
YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics: Favors topic 5
YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug: Strongly Favors topic 5
YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D: Favors topic 5
NO on limiting medical liability lawsuits to $250,000: Opposes topic 5
YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D: Favors topic 5
YES on overriding veto on expansion of Medicare: Favors topic 5
Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-5 points on Economic scale) 1997: Hillary warned against privatizing Social Security: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Soc.Sec. one of greatest inventions in American democracy: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Social Security protects families, not just retirees: Strongly Opposes topic 6
All should join the debate now to preserve future solvency: Opposes topic 6
Create Retirement Savings Accounts: Favors topic 6
Rated 100% by the ARA, indicating a pro-senior voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 6
NO on establishing reserve funds & pre-funding for Social Security: Opposes topic 6
Strongly Opposes topic 7:
Vouchers for school choice
(-5 points on Economic scale) OpEd: Common Core recycled from Clintons in 1980s and 1990s: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fully fund special education & 21st century classrooms: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice; but not private nor parochial: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers drain money from public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fight with Gore for public schools; no voucher “gimmicks”: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Charter schools provide choice within public system: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers siphon off much-needed resources: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Parents can choose, but support public schools: Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice and charter schools: Favors topic 7
Solemn vow never to abandon our public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Offer every parent Charter Schools and public school choice: Opposes topic 7
Rated 82% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes: Strongly Opposes topic 7
YES on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on funding student testing instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies: Opposes topic 7
Strongly Opposes topic 8:
Clean air and water are property rights
(-5 points on Social scale) $5B for green-collar jobs in economic stimulus package: Opposes topic 8
Voted against and consistently opposed to Yucca Mountain: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Scored 100% on Humane Society Scorecard on animal protection: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Remove PCBs from Hudson River by dredging 200 miles: Opposes topic 8
Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes: Strongly Opposes topic 8
EPA must do better on mercury clean-up: Opposes topic 8
Grants for beach water pollution under Clean Water Act: Opposes topic 8
Strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Opposes topic 9:
Stricter punishment reduces crime
(+2 points on Social scale) Longtime advocate of death penalty, with restrictions: Strongly Favors topic 9
Address the unacceptable increase in incarceration: Opposes topic 9
Mandatory sentences have been too widely used: Strongly Opposes topic 9
Give kids after-school activities to prevent gangs: Opposes topic 9
Spend more time with kids to prevent violence: Opposes topic 9
Supports citizen patrols & 3-Strikes-You’re-Out: Favors topic 9
Supports “Three Strikes” and more prison: Strongly Favors topic 9
End hate crimes and other intolerance: Favors topic 9
Require DNA testing for all federal executions: Opposes topic 9
Increase funding for "COPS ON THE BEAT" program: Opposes topic 9
Reduce recidivism by giving offenders a Second Chance: Strongly Opposes topic 9
YES on reinstating $1.15 billion funding for the COPS Program: Opposes topic 9
Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-5 points on Economic scale) Rein in idea that anybody can have a gun anywhere, anytime: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Against illegal guns, crack down on illegal gun dealers: Opposes topic 10
Get assault weapons & guns off the street: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Background check system could prevent Virginia Tech massacre: Opposes topic 10
Congress’ failure at Littleton response inspired Senate run: Opposes topic 10
Limit access to weapons; look for early warning signs: Opposes topic 10
License and register all handgun sales: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Gun control protects our children: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Lock up guns; store ammo separately: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Get weapons off the streets; zero tolerance for weapons: Opposes topic 10
Prevent unauthorized firearm use with "smart gun" technology: Opposes topic 10
NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence: Strongly Opposes topic 10
NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Strongly Favors topic 11:
Higher taxes on the wealthy
(-5 points on Economic scale) Rescind tax cuts for those making more than $250,000 a year: Strongly Favors topic 11
Pay down debt & cut taxes within balanced budget: Favors topic 11
GOP tax plan would hurt New York’s students: Favors topic 11
Rated 21% by NTU, indicating a "Big Spender" on tax votes: Strongly Favors topic 11
Rated 80% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset: Favors topic 11
YES on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates: Favors topic 11
YES on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction: Favors topic 11
NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years: Strongly Favors topic 11
YES on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut: Favors topic 11
YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax: Strongly Favors topic 11
Favors topic 12:
Pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens
(+2 points on Social scale) Introduce a path to earn citizenship in the first 100 days: Strongly Favors topic 12
Consider halting certain raids on illegal immigrant families: Favors topic 12
Deporting all illegal immigrants is unrealistic: Strongly Favors topic 12
Illegal immigrants with driver’s licenses puts them at risk: Opposes topic 12
Oppose granting driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants: Opposes topic 12
More border patrolling on both Mexican AND Canadian borders: Opposes topic 12
Anti-immigrant bill would have criminalized Jesus Christ: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sanctuary cities ok; local police can’t enforce immigration: Favors topic 12
Comprehensive reform to get 12 million out of shadows: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill covering child resident aliens under Medicaid: Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill funding social services for noncitizens: Favors topic 12
Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities": Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on establishing a Guest Worker program: Favors topic 12
YES on building a fence along the Mexican border: Strongly Opposes topic 12
YES on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program: Neutral topic 12
NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on comprehensive immigration reform: Strongly Favors topic 12
Opposes topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(-3 points on Economic scale) Smart, pro-American trade: NAFTA has hurt workers: Strongly Opposes topic 13
No fast-track authority for this president: Opposes topic 13
Defended outsourcing of US jobs to India: Favors topic 13
1980s: Loved Wal-Mart's "Buy America" program: Opposes topic 13
Globalization should not substitute for humanization: Opposes topic 13
Supports MFN for China, despite concerns over human rights: Strongly Favors topic 13
Build a rule-based global trading system: Favors topic 13
Rated 17% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on removing common goods from national security export rules: Favors topic 13
YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam: Favors topic 13
NO on extending free trade to Andean nations: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between US & Singapore: Favors topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between the US and Chile: Favors topic 13
NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on free trade agreement with Oman: Strongly Favors topic 13
Opposes topic 14:
Maintain US sovereignty from UN
(-3 points on Economic scale) US support & no-fly zone, but UN troops on ground in Darfur: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Support UN reform because US benefits: Opposes topic 14
2002 Iraq speech criticized both Saddam and U.N.: Opposes topic 14
Urged President to veto UN condemnation of Israel: Favors topic 14
Engage in world affairs, including human rights: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Keep Cuban embargo; pay UN bills: Opposes topic 14
2002: Attacking Iraq "not a good option" but authorized it: Favors topic 14
Voted against Levin Amendment: it gave UN veto over US: Favors topic 14
Dems believe in fighting terror with cooperation: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Restore habeas corpus for detainees in the War on Terror: Opposes topic 14
YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees: Strongly Opposes topic 14
YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods: Strongly Opposes topic 14
NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad: Strongly Opposes topic 14
No opinion on topic 15:
Expand the military
(0 points on Social scale) There is no safe haven for the terrorists: Favors topic 15
Our troops are stretched; so increase size of military: Favors topic 15
Rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 15
Extend reserve retirement pay parity back to 9/11: Favors topic 15
Improve mental health care benefits for returning veterans: Favors topic 15
YES on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding: Opposes topic 15
YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months: Opposes topic 15
Strongly Favors topic 16:
Stricter limits on voting rights
(-5 points on Social scale) Voter suppression revives old demons of discrimination: Favors topic 16
Stand for public financing and getting money out of politics: Strongly Favors topic 16
Presidents should reveal donations to their foundations: Strongly Favors topic 16
Move to public election financing, not banning lobbyists: Strongly Favors topic 16
Verified paper ballot for every electronic voting machines: Favors topic 16
Called for ban on all soft money in 2000 campaign: Favors topic 16
Prohibit 'voter caging' which intimidates minority voting: Favors topic 16
YES on banning campaign donations from unions & corporations: Favors topic 16
YES on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads: Favors topic 16
NO on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity: Opposes topic 16
NO on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress: Strongly Favors topic 16
Favors topic 17:
Stay out of Iran
(+2 points on Social scale) Smartest strategic choice is peace: Favors topic 17
Extend peace treaties to Palestinians, Syrians & Lebanese: Favors topic 17
Foreign aid spending is only 1%; lead by remaining engaged: Strongly Favors topic 17
Up to the Iraqis to decide the future they will have: Favors topic 17
Demand Bush to explain to Congress on his plan on Iraq: Favors topic 17
Deauthorize Iraq war, and don’t grant new war authority: Strongly Favors topic 17
Phased redeployment out of Iraq, beginning immediately: Strongly Favors topic 17
Withdraw troops within 60 days after taking office: Strongly Favors topic 17
Voted for Iraq war based on available info; now would not: Favors topic 17
Progressive Internationalism: globalize with US pre-eminence: Favors topic 17
No troop surge: no military escalation in Iraq: Strongly Favors topic 17
Require Congress' approval before military action in Iran: Favors topic 17
YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq: Strongly Opposes topic 17
NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007: Strongly Opposes topic 17
YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008: Strongly Favors topic 17
Strongly Favors topic 18:
Prioritize green energy
(-5 points on Economic scale) $100B per year by 2020 for climate change mitigation: Strongly Favors topic 18
Remove energy dependence on countries who would harm us: Strongly Favors topic 18
Stands for clean air and funding the EPA: Favors topic 18
Reduce air pollution to improve children’s health: Favors topic 18
Ratify Kyoto; more mass transit: Strongly Favors topic 18
Supports tradable emissions permits for greenhouse gases: Favors topic 18
Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy: Strongly Favors topic 18
Establish greenhouse gas tradeable allowances: Strongly Favors topic 18
Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence: Favors topic 18
Designate sensitive ANWR area as protected wilderness: Favors topic 18
Set goal of 25% renewable energy by 2025: Strongly Favors topic 18
Let states define stricter-than-federal emission standards: Strongly Favors topic 18
Gas tax holiday for the summer: Opposes topic 18
NO on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill: Favors topic 18
YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%): Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge: Favors topic 18
YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning: Favors topic 18
YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies: Strongly Favors topic 18
Opposes topic 19:
Never legalize marijuana
(+2 points on Social scale) Medical marijuana maybe ok; states decide recreational use: Opposes topic 19
Divert non-violent drug offenders away from prison: Strongly Opposes topic 19
Address drug problem with treatment and special drug courts: Strongly Opposes topic 19
End harsher sentencing for crack vs. powder cocaine: Opposes topic 19
Require chemical resellers to certify against meth use: Favors topic 19
Strongly Favors topic 20:
Stimulus better than market-led recovery
(-5 points on Economic scale) Wealthy should go back to paying pre-Bush tax rates: Favors topic 20
Want to restore the tax rates we had in the ‘90s: Favors topic 20
Help people facing foreclosure; don’t just bail-out banks: Strongly Favors topic 20
Minimum wage increases haven’t kept up with Congress’ wages: Strongly Favors topic 20
Co-sponsored bills totaling $502B in spending thru 2005: Strongly Favors topic 20
End Bush tax cuts;take things away from rich for common good: Favors topic 20
Social issues matter; wrong time for tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 20
Use tax dollars to upgrade infrastructure, not for stadium: Strongly Favors topic 20
America can afford to raise the minimum wage: Strongly Favors topic 20
Just Say No to GOP tax plan: Strongly Favors topic 20
YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million: Strongly Favors topic 20

[cascadiance]

67. Oh... Stepping up from cutting paste a link to cutting and pasting a page of crap...

That you seem to not even talk about any of the details on to explain why YOU feel that she's better.

Co-sponsored bill to criminalize flag-burning: Favors topic 4

So this is a good thing? Explain!

Urged President to veto UN condemnation of Israel: Favors topic 14

Does she favor the bombing of Gaza then? Without talking specifics, you have a bundle of crap lumped together that doesn't show whether she's better or worse than someone like Elizabeth Warren, especially on important economic issues that the Democrats have lost sight of since Reagan take over.

Want to restore the tax rates we had in the ‘90s: Favors topic 20

- on this issue would she favor returning to the tax rates before Reagan? Not clear. Many of us would like to see a president more to move towards that, as even though the 90's rates are better than we have now, they were only a bandaid, and since the 80's, the middle class has been being destroyed by Reagan's tax rate changes.

I'm trying to be specific here. Can you? I doubt it.

[VanillaRhapsody]

111. see "specifics" IS your problem....

whether you admit it or not!

[cascadiance]

113. You want to fix a car without knowing what's wrong with it and how to fix a specific problem...

It sounds like your solution is if a headlight goes out on it, just go out and buy a new car, as long as it is the car that you like.

[VanillaRhapsody]

62. You were saying????

get back to me when you have enough "facts" to move the needle.....I won't hold my breath!

OnTheIssues.org....is not just somebody's opinion....it uses algorithms....you know actual MATH!!!

[cascadiance]

69. "Real math" can be used to say the wrong things too.

You need to look at what its measuring and how it is measuring it and not just say because there is "math", it must be correct.

You know the old traditional and very apt line that is quoted a lot:

19th-century British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli (1804–1881): "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

Get back to me when you are capable of having a conversation of AN issue that you feel Hillary Clinton has a stance on that is better than both Republicans and Elizabeth Warren on. Then we can have a conversation. I've already mentioned a few like Wall Street accountability, H-1B visas, and TPP.

[VanillaRhapsody]

71. but in this case the math proves facts.....when you have enough to move the peg

let us Democrats know mkay?

[cascadiance]

72. Disraeli would be laughing at your attempt to rationalize what he would probably consider lies...

The libertarian graph doesn't "prove facts". What "facts" does it prove? You aren't much for details are you. Just superlatives.

[VanillaRhapsody]

74. and I am laughing at your attempt to disprove them with NOTHING NADA ZILCH to

to support your rhetoric....YET MOST Democrats....agree with me on this!


It seems you are not so good with facts....here they are again....try reading a few:

Strongly Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's unrestricted right
(+5 points on Social scale) Lift ban on stem cell research to cure devastating diseases: Favors topic 1
Respect Roe v. Wade, but make adoptions easier too: Favors topic 1
Alternatives to pro-choice like forced pregnancy in Romania: Strongly Favors topic 1
Must safeguard constitutional rights, including choice: Favors topic 1
Remain vigilant on a woman’s right to chose: Favors topic 1
Keep abortion safe, legal and rare: Favors topic 1
Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion: Favors topic 1
Supports parental notice & family planning: Opposes topic 1
No abortion for sex selection in China: Opposes topic 1
Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus: Favors topic 1
Endorsed Recommended by EMILY's List of pro-choice women: Favors topic 1
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record: Strongly Favors topic 1
Expand embryonic stem cell research: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims: Favors topic 1
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance: Strongly Favors topic 1
Provide emergency contraception at military facilities: Favors topic 1
Ensure access to and funding for contraception: Favors topic 1
Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception: Favors topic 1
NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP: Favors topic 1
NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime: Favors topic 1
YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives: Favors topic 1
NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions: Favors topic 1
YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines: Favors topic 1
Strongly Favors topic 2:
Legally require hiring women & minorities
(-5 points on Economic scale) Some world leaders are still misogynistic: Favors topic 2
We’ve come a long way on race, but we have a long way to go: Strongly Favors topic 2
Apologize for slavery, but concentrate on civil rights now: Favors topic 2
Human rights are women’s rights: Neutral on topic 2
Women’s rights are human rights: Favors topic 2
OpEd: "18 million cracks" meant "lingering sexism": Strongly Favors topic 2
Equal pay is not yet equal: Strongly Favors topic 2
1988: Instituted gender diversity Report Card within ABA: Strongly Opposes topic 2
Argued with Bill Clinton about diluting affirmative action: Strongly Favors topic 2
Shift from group preferences to economic empowerment of all: Neutral on topic 2
Sponsored bill maintaining role of women in armed forces: Favors topic 2
Rated 96% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance: Strongly Favors topic 2
Recognize Juneteenth as historical end of slavery: Strongly Favors topic 2
Re-introduce the Equal Rights Amendment: Strongly Favors topic 2
Reinforce anti-discrimination and equal-pay requirements: Favors topic 2
Ban discriminatory compensation; allow 2 years to sue: Favors topic 2
Sponsored bill enforcing against gender pay discrimination: Strongly Favors topic 2
Strongly Favors topic 3:
Comfortable with same-sex marriage
(+5 points on Social scale) Increase America’s commitment against Global AIDS: Favors topic 3
DOMA discrimination holds us back from a more perfect union: Strongly Favors topic 3
I support gay marriage personally and as law: Strongly Favors topic 3
Let states decide gay marriage; they’re ahead of feds: Favors topic 3
2004:defended traditional marriage; 2006:voted for same-sex: Strongly Favors topic 3
Federal Marriage Amendment would be terrible step backwards: Favors topic 3
Gays deserve domestic partnership benefits: Strongly Favors topic 3
Military service based on conduct, not sexual orientation: Favors topic 3
More funding and stricter sentencing for hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance: Strongly Favors topic 3
Provide benefits to domestic partners of Federal employees: Strongly Favors topic 3
YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage: Strongly Favors topic 3
No opinion on topic 4:
Keep God in the public sphere
(0 points on Social scale) Partner with faith based community in empowerment zones: Strongly Favors topic 4
Tap into churches to avoid more Louima & Diallo cases: Favors topic 4
Community involvement helps, but only in short term: Favors topic 4
Link payments to good parenting behavior: Opposes topic 4
Allow student prayer, but no religious instruction: Opposes topic 4
Character education: teach empathy & self-discipline: Favors topic 4
Change what kids see in the media: Favors topic 4
Co-sponsored bill to criminalize flag-burning: Favors topic 4
Rated 0% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-Family-Value voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 4
Rated 100% by the AU, indicating support of church-state separation: Strongly Opposes topic 4
NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration: Opposes topic 4
Strongly Favors topic 5:
Expand ObamaCare
(-5 points on Economic scale) Outcry if AIDS were leading disease of young whites: Favors topic 5
Lower costs and improve quality and cover everybody: Strongly Favors topic 5
Supply more medical needs of families, & insure all children: Strongly Favors topic 5
Medicare should be strengthened today: Favors topic 5
Smaller steps to progress on health care: Favors topic 5
Guaranteed benefits & focus on prevention: Neutral on topic 5
2006: If I can't do universal coverage, why run?: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care will not work if it is voluntary: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care coverage by the end of my second term: Strongly Favors topic 5
We need a uniquely American solution to health care: Favors topic 5
Health care initiatives are her first priority in Senate: Strongly Favors topic 5
Establish "report cards" on HMO quality of care: Favors topic 5
Invest funds to alleviate the nursing shortage: Favors topic 5
Let states make bulk Rx purchases, and other innovations: Opposes topic 5
Rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record: Strongly Favors topic 5
Preserve access to Medicaid & SCHIP during economic downturn: Strongly Favors topic 5
NO on means-testing to determine Medicare Part D premium: Favors topic 5
NO on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit: Favors topic 5
NO on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit: Opposes topic 5
YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics: Favors topic 5
YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug: Strongly Favors topic 5
YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D: Favors topic 5
NO on limiting medical liability lawsuits to $250,000: Opposes topic 5
YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D: Favors topic 5
YES on overriding veto on expansion of Medicare: Favors topic 5
Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-5 points on Economic scale) 1997: Hillary warned against privatizing Social Security: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Soc.Sec. one of greatest inventions in American democracy: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Social Security protects families, not just retirees: Strongly Opposes topic 6
All should join the debate now to preserve future solvency: Opposes topic 6
Create Retirement Savings Accounts: Favors topic 6
Rated 100% by the ARA, indicating a pro-senior voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 6
NO on establishing reserve funds & pre-funding for Social Security: Opposes topic 6
Strongly Opposes topic 7:
Vouchers for school choice
(-5 points on Economic scale) OpEd: Common Core recycled from Clintons in 1980s and 1990s: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fully fund special education & 21st century classrooms: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice; but not private nor parochial: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers drain money from public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fight with Gore for public schools; no voucher “gimmicks”: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Charter schools provide choice within public system: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers siphon off much-needed resources: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Parents can choose, but support public schools: Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice and charter schools: Favors topic 7
Solemn vow never to abandon our public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Offer every parent Charter Schools and public school choice: Opposes topic 7
Rated 82% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes: Strongly Opposes topic 7
YES on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on funding student testing instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies: Opposes topic 7
Strongly Opposes topic 8:
Clean air and water are property rights
(-5 points on Social scale) $5B for green-collar jobs in economic stimulus package: Opposes topic 8
Voted against and consistently opposed to Yucca Mountain: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Scored 100% on Humane Society Scorecard on animal protection: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Remove PCBs from Hudson River by dredging 200 miles: Opposes topic 8
Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes: Strongly Opposes topic 8
EPA must do better on mercury clean-up: Opposes topic 8
Grants for beach water pollution under Clean Water Act: Opposes topic 8
Strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Opposes topic 9:
Stricter punishment reduces crime
(+2 points on Social scale) Longtime advocate of death penalty, with restrictions: Strongly Favors topic 9
Address the unacceptable increase in incarceration: Opposes topic 9
Mandatory sentences have been too widely used: Strongly Opposes topic 9
Give kids after-school activities to prevent gangs: Opposes topic 9
Spend more time with kids to prevent violence: Opposes topic 9
Supports citizen patrols & 3-Strikes-You’re-Out: Favors topic 9
Supports “Three Strikes” and more prison: Strongly Favors topic 9
End hate crimes and other intolerance: Favors topic 9
Require DNA testing for all federal executions: Opposes topic 9
Increase funding for "COPS ON THE BEAT" program: Opposes topic 9
Reduce recidivism by giving offenders a Second Chance: Strongly Opposes topic 9
YES on reinstating $1.15 billion funding for the COPS Program: Opposes topic 9
Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-5 points on Economic scale) Rein in idea that anybody can have a gun anywhere, anytime: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Against illegal guns, crack down on illegal gun dealers: Opposes topic 10
Get assault weapons & guns off the street: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Background check system could prevent Virginia Tech massacre: Opposes topic 10
Congress’ failure at Littleton response inspired Senate run: Opposes topic 10
Limit access to weapons; look for early warning signs: Opposes topic 10
License and register all handgun sales: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Gun control protects our children: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Lock up guns; store ammo separately: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Get weapons off the streets; zero tolerance for weapons: Opposes topic 10
Prevent unauthorized firearm use with "smart gun" technology: Opposes topic 10
NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence: Strongly Opposes topic 10
NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Strongly Favors topic 11:
Higher taxes on the wealthy
(-5 points on Economic scale) Rescind tax cuts for those making more than $250,000 a year: Strongly Favors topic 11
Pay down debt & cut taxes within balanced budget: Favors topic 11
GOP tax plan would hurt New York’s students: Favors topic 11
Rated 21% by NTU, indicating a "Big Spender" on tax votes: Strongly Favors topic 11
Rated 80% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset: Favors topic 11
YES on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates: Favors topic 11
YES on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction: Favors topic 11
NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years: Strongly Favors topic 11
YES on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut: Favors topic 11
YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax: Strongly Favors topic 11
Favors topic 12:
Pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens
(+2 points on Social scale) Introduce a path to earn citizenship in the first 100 days: Strongly Favors topic 12
Consider halting certain raids on illegal immigrant families: Favors topic 12
Deporting all illegal immigrants is unrealistic: Strongly Favors topic 12
Illegal immigrants with driver’s licenses puts them at risk: Opposes topic 12
Oppose granting driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants: Opposes topic 12
More border patrolling on both Mexican AND Canadian borders: Opposes topic 12
Anti-immigrant bill would have criminalized Jesus Christ: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sanctuary cities ok; local police can’t enforce immigration: Favors topic 12
Comprehensive reform to get 12 million out of shadows: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill covering child resident aliens under Medicaid: Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill funding social services for noncitizens: Favors topic 12
Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities": Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on establishing a Guest Worker program: Favors topic 12
YES on building a fence along the Mexican border: Strongly Opposes topic 12
YES on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program: Neutral topic 12
NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on comprehensive immigration reform: Strongly Favors topic 12
Opposes topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(-3 points on Economic scale) Smart, pro-American trade: NAFTA has hurt workers: Strongly Opposes topic 13
No fast-track authority for this president: Opposes topic 13
Defended outsourcing of US jobs to India: Favors topic 13
1980s: Loved Wal-Mart's "Buy America" program: Opposes topic 13
Globalization should not substitute for humanization: Opposes topic 13
Supports MFN for China, despite concerns over human rights: Strongly Favors topic 13
Build a rule-based global trading system: Favors topic 13
Rated 17% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on removing common goods from national security export rules: Favors topic 13
YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam: Favors topic 13
NO on extending free trade to Andean nations: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between US & Singapore: Favors topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between the US and Chile: Favors topic 13
NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on free trade agreement with Oman: Strongly Favors topic 13
Opposes topic 14:
Maintain US sovereignty from UN
(-3 points on Economic scale) US support & no-fly zone, but UN troops on ground in Darfur: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Support UN reform because US benefits: Opposes topic 14
2002 Iraq speech criticized both Saddam and U.N.: Opposes topic 14
Urged President to veto UN condemnation of Israel: Favors topic 14
Engage in world affairs, including human rights: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Keep Cuban embargo; pay UN bills: Opposes topic 14
2002: Attacking Iraq "not a good option" but authorized it: Favors topic 14
Voted against Levin Amendment: it gave UN veto over US: Favors topic 14
Dems believe in fighting terror with cooperation: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Restore habeas corpus for detainees in the War on Terror: Opposes topic 14
YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees: Strongly Opposes topic 14
YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods: Strongly Opposes topic 14
NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad: Strongly Opposes topic 14
No opinion on topic 15:
Expand the military
(0 points on Social scale) There is no safe haven for the terrorists: Favors topic 15
Our troops are stretched; so increase size of military: Favors topic 15
Rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 15
Extend reserve retirement pay parity back to 9/11: Favors topic 15
Improve mental health care benefits for returning veterans: Favors topic 15
YES on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding: Opposes topic 15
YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months: Opposes topic 15
Strongly Favors topic 16:
Stricter limits on voting rights
(-5 points on Social scale) Voter suppression revives old demons of discrimination: Favors topic 16
Stand for public financing and getting money out of politics: Strongly Favors topic 16
Presidents should reveal donations to their foundations: Strongly Favors topic 16
Move to public election financing, not banning lobbyists: Strongly Favors topic 16
Verified paper ballot for every electronic voting machines: Favors topic 16
Called for ban on all soft money in 2000 campaign: Favors topic 16
Prohibit 'voter caging' which intimidates minority voting: Favors topic 16
YES on banning campaign donations from unions & corporations: Favors topic 16
YES on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads: Favors topic 16
NO on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity: Opposes topic 16
NO on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress: Strongly Favors topic 16
Favors topic 17:
Stay out of Iran
(+2 points on Social scale) Smartest strategic choice is peace: Favors topic 17
Extend peace treaties to Palestinians, Syrians & Lebanese: Favors topic 17
Foreign aid spending is only 1%; lead by remaining engaged: Strongly Favors topic 17
Up to the Iraqis to decide the future they will have: Favors topic 17
Demand Bush to explain to Congress on his plan on Iraq: Favors topic 17
Deauthorize Iraq war, and don’t grant new war authority: Strongly Favors topic 17
Phased redeployment out of Iraq, beginning immediately: Strongly Favors topic 17
Withdraw troops within 60 days after taking office: Strongly Favors topic 17
Voted for Iraq war based on available info; now would not: Favors topic 17
Progressive Internationalism: globalize with US pre-eminence: Favors topic 17
No troop surge: no military escalation in Iraq: Strongly Favors topic 17
Require Congress' approval before military action in Iran: Favors topic 17
YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq: Strongly Opposes topic 17
NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007: Strongly Opposes topic 17
YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008: Strongly Favors topic 17
Strongly Favors topic 18:
Prioritize green energy
(-5 points on Economic scale) $100B per year by 2020 for climate change mitigation: Strongly Favors topic 18
Remove energy dependence on countries who would harm us: Strongly Favors topic 18
Stands for clean air and funding the EPA: Favors topic 18
Reduce air pollution to improve children’s health: Favors topic 18
Ratify Kyoto; more mass transit: Strongly Favors topic 18
Supports tradable emissions permits for greenhouse gases: Favors topic 18
Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy: Strongly Favors topic 18
Establish greenhouse gas tradeable allowances: Strongly Favors topic 18
Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence: Favors topic 18
Designate sensitive ANWR area as protected wilderness: Favors topic 18
Set goal of 25% renewable energy by 2025: Strongly Favors topic 18
Let states define stricter-than-federal emission standards: Strongly Favors topic 18
Gas tax holiday for the summer: Opposes topic 18
NO on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill: Favors topic 18
YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%): Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge: Favors topic 18
YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning: Favors topic 18
YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies: Strongly Favors topic 18
Opposes topic 19:
Never legalize marijuana
(+2 points on Social scale) Medical marijuana maybe ok; states decide recreational use: Opposes topic 19
Divert non-violent drug offenders away from prison: Strongly Opposes topic 19
Address drug problem with treatment and special drug courts: Strongly Opposes topic 19
End harsher sentencing for crack vs. powder cocaine: Opposes topic 19
Require chemical resellers to certify against meth use: Favors topic 19
Strongly Favors topic 20:
Stimulus better than market-led recovery
(-5 points on Economic scale) Wealthy should go back to paying pre-Bush tax rates: Favors topic 20
Want to restore the tax rates we had in the ‘90s: Favors topic 20
Help people facing foreclosure; don’t just bail-out banks: Strongly Favors topic 20
Minimum wage increases haven’t kept up with Congress’ wages: Strongly Favors topic 20
Co-sponsored bills totaling $502B in spending thru 2005: Strongly Favors topic 20
End Bush tax cuts;take things away from rich for common good: Favors topic 20
Social issues matter; wrong time for tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 20
Use tax dollars to upgrade infrastructure, not for stadium: Strongly Favors topic 20
America can afford to raise the minimum wage: Strongly Favors topic 20
Just Say No to GOP tax plan: Strongly Favors topic 20
YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million: Strongly Favors topic 20

[cascadiance]

75. I just DID select a few that I read and asked about! Did YOU READ these?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=381846

You are only quoting a mound of crap from this site that is pro-Hillary, just thinking that proves your point (which I'm still trying to understand). You only want to cheerlead a "Hillary" team like a football team. You don't seem capable of arguing that she's best at solving certain ISSUES (that you aren't cut and pasting from the "Hilary team" web site without looking at yourself).

Let me know when your brain is capable of looking at one of these "facts" and pointing out how Hillary is better on them than Warren to argue your point that she's a better candidate than Warren, which you seem to be spending more time and posts than anyone here on DU (if wyldwolf isn't beating you who I'm ignoring now) in trying push on to us.

Use YOUR OWN WORDS (not cut and pasted junk) to argue this.

[adirondacker]

90. I just want to say...

You have some admirable patience.
Thanks.

[VanillaRhapsody]

100. and you have some strange choices in admiration....

[cascadiance]

106. And your brain is STILL incapable of speaking for itself on specific issues!

LOL! The 1% could probably program a web robot that could post better responses to things than you do.

[VanillaRhapsody]

101. THAT is the entire POINT...Thanks for getting it...

A "select few" of Democratic voters do not get to decide that a "select few" issues are what determines what IS Or IS Not the determining factors of that....for the other 64% of them!!!!

THAT is what Democracy is even about....what is it about Democracy that you hate so much? If you think "select fews" decide for everyone and everything else?

Get it...."select few"?

[cascadiance]

108. Again! We are NOT cheerleading a football team and just rooting for a NAME!

Intelligent people select leaders that aren't just part of a "team", but are ones that want to work on many different issues, especially important ones, that those they want following them view as important stances that they take.

You seem incapable of understanding that, and incapable of understanding how crass your dismissing of our wanting to engage in this democratic process is because you want us to cheer for a football team instead of someone that will push democratic solutions to SPECIFIC ISSUES that need solving.

Until you understand that, you are now better than a web bot that just bothers us with ads, etc. To use your words, why do YOU hate "democracy" (not "Democraticity" that you seem to be pushing) so much!

Democracy encourages us to question what is being done for us and to ask those we pick to lead us how they will work on solving the issues that concern us. It isn't about us viewing ourselves as a "select few" as you so ineptly and insidiously try to characterize us as. We are doing our DUTY in a democracy to participate in it and be a part of the many voices that want to speak up on ISSUES and how those in charge will work to solve them. You apparently appear to be incapable of understanding that with your pom pom diatribes.

Sheez, what are you going to be using on your t-shirts when 64% becomes a different number when newer polls come out?

[VanillaRhapsody]

110. I heard Thom Hartmann AND Bernie Sanders say last week being a member of a Party either one...

is just like being member of a club.....this was on Brunch with Bernie and Bernie didn't even deny it!


So your little problem with this analogy (aka Democracy).....Epic FAIL!

[cascadiance]

114. Context please? Often times that is meant as a critique, not a praise of these parties...

I said a sports team, who's main objective is to win a game, not to solve problems for those on each team like whether a kid needs an operation to fix a broken leg.

Get back to me when you can explain in detail better than a third grader could why Hillary Clinton's position on H-1B visas is good for us American tech workers.

[VanillaRhapsody]

115. I just gave you the entire conversation.... a caller made the claim you are making...and Thom

responded that being a member of a Party any of them....is like being a member of a club. PERIOD...

So you can take your baloney elsewhere...I aint falling for your phony guilt trip!


I AM a Democrat and Proud of it....aren't you??? Anarchists do not scare me!

[cascadiance]

117. So a club can be the KKK or a club can be Drinking liberally...

It really depends on the context of WHAT was said, not just the label that was mentioned. Understand? Thought you couldn't!

[VanillaRhapsody]

118. aaaanddd????

so?

Why is being a member of a club a problem for you?

[VanillaRhapsody]

119. and there WAS no other context....he didn't qualify it ....he just said it....

being a Democrat is like being a member of a club of democrats...we VOTE for what we want as a GROUP! And no one is FORCING you to be a Democrat now are they?

You are welcome to NOT be one....just don't expect the members to take your opinions of what they "SHOULD" do or not do...with any sort of concern...because if you are NOT a member....well you know how it goes...

third definition of the word "Democracy"

"control of an organization or group by the majority of its members."

and ^^^ THAT is why that 64% majority that Hillary Clinton holds IS significant!

[trueblue2007]

109. RIGHT ON!!!! you should post this as a regular note.

truth

[cascadiance]

116. So... Should you vote for Chris Christie because he's to the left of Ted Cruz?

Certainly not.

That's analogous to saying corporatist Hillary is to the left of corporatist Obama. Neither is the non-corporatist American needs to fix our system and restore the middle class, that Republicans are even farther away from doing.

[VanillaRhapsody]

15. I think I willl....THANKS!c

64% agree with me!

[LawDeeDah]

19. A lot of people bought Pet Rocks too, way back.

[VanillaRhapsody]

20. those weren't all Democrats....

and THIS isn't "Pet Rocks Underground"

[Gman]

10. With those kind of numbers she can't be a "real" Democrat

To some people. If she had a 30% approval she would be considered "edgy", "progressive", "out of the main stream" and other such things that indicate she can't win so let's support her. We're cool like that and you're not.

[VanillaRhapsody]

16. LOL EXCELLENT

very perceptive!

I think though their latest heroes are all still polling in the single digits....so I guess those are UBER ELITE COOL Candidates!

[Jim Lane]

22. Very clever -- albeit willfully blind to what's ACTUALLY in the OP

The OP and the linked article don't mention poll numbers, but they do identify specific issues that concern many real Democrats.

It's striking to me that, week in and week out, as we have these discussions, the
Ready for Hillary crowd seems not to be very Ready for Substance.

[VanillaRhapsody]

24. uh you dont judge soley on specific issues..

Above overall performance and that I have proven repeatedly..

[Gman]

28. My response was to VanillaRhapsody's comment

And not directly to the OP.

[Jim Lane]

63. Yes, you were siding with VR's obsession with poll results and disregard of substance.

You joined VR in attacking the motives of Democrats who want an alternative to Hillary. Specifically, you suggested that they just wanted to be "cool" and implied that there was no other reason anyone would oppose Hillary. Because other reasons were noted in the OP, a post in this thread can reasonably be criticized if it ignores those issues.

I don't question the good faith of Democrats who want to see Hillary nominated on the basis of issues or her qualifications or her electability. I just disagree with them. If I may offer unsolicited advice to you and other Clinton partisans, the kind of disparagement of fellow Democrats that's found in your post (and in just about all of VR's) is harmful, not helpful, to a Clinton candidacy. If you choose to attack other candidates as being too far left or whatever, fine, we can have that discussion. By contrast, saying that people who disagree with you just want to be "cool" (and, by implication, have no principles) is not something you can walk back the day after she's nominated.

[Gman]

87. You know,

That's the common line I see a lot from folks much further left than me in different forms, basically saying in so many words we'll stay home in November if you're not nice to us. (And I don't know where you fall but it's likely to my left) But you know what, I have never in my time on DU, which is two months after it started and includes 3 presidential elections and now 4 off year elections, seen such ugliness as I saw in 08 from Obama supporters toward Hillary supporters like myself who got flamed daily, often for the most innocuous things. I got a lot of PM's from other Hillary supporters in essence thanking me for saying whatever it was and how disgusted they were with the treatment of Hillary supporters to the point they would not post. Of course all Hillary supporters including me were not lily white either. (I think that's the year I got a couple of "time outs" (remember those!) So I don't really care much if someone is offended by things I say about anti-Hillary people thinking their too cool to support her. After all this is just an Internet forum that thankfully does not reflect real life in any way. If someone stays home in November over something like that with all the drop dead serious issues that will be on the table in 16, they really don't have much of a clue anyway and I would question their priorities.

[Jim Lane]

97. Oh, I certainly won't stay home in November

Regardless of what people say here (which, as you point out, is just an internet forum), I'll look at the pool of candidates who have a realistic chance of being elected and I'll vote for the one who'd make the best President. It's virtually certain that the "pool" will have only two candidates in it -- the Democrat and the Republican. It's also virtually certain that the Democrat will be the better of the two. Therefore, if Hillary is the Democratic nominee, I expect I'll be voting for her.

When it comes to my donations and volunteer time, though, Hillary won't be competing against Jeb "Yet Another" Bush or whomever else the Republicans nominate. She'll be competing against Democrats in other races. That's the reason that respectful treatment of everyone in the party makes a difference.

In 2008, I preferred Obama over Clinton, but I don't remember engaging in any personal attacks on people who disagreed. (Frankly, I find plenty of basis for criticizing Hillary Clinton on matters of substance, without having to insinuate that her supporters are backing her because they want to be "cool" or for some other juvenile reason. Such personal attacks are uncalled for, but substantive criticism shouldn't be an occasion for being disgusted even when you disagree with it.)

Yes, there were hard feelings in 2008. That's why some Clinton supporters stomped off with PUMA, and some even backed McCain. There are two ways you can go with that in 2016: (1) "When we lost, we were unhappy about how we were treated, so if we win, it's payback time." (2) "When we lost, we were unhappy about how we were treated, and it affected our support for the party nominee, so if we want to see Hillary in the White House, let's take care not to emulate that mistake."

[Gman]

98. If it's any consolation to you

I have a horrible track record of supporting a primary candidate. I really don't ever remember the candidate I supported getting the nomination when there was no incumbent Democrat. And I'm supporting Hillary in 16. That track record includes people like Gary Hart and Alan Harkin.

[Jim Lane]

102. Great, keep it up! :)

And, if it's any consolation to you, I prefer Hillary to Andrew Cuomo.

[VanillaRhapsody]

29. but you are a better judge of that then 64% of they

Themselves are right?

[Jim Lane]

68. Is this supposed to be some sort of logical argument?

Premise: Two years before the election, one prospective candidate (one with high name recognition) has 64% support in the polls.
Conclusion: Anyone who supports a different candidate is purporting to be a better judge of qualifications than the 64%, and is therefore wrong.

I'm sorry, I don't see the conclusion as following from the premise.

In 2008 there were presumably millions of Clinton supporters who thought that they were better judges than the plurality of Democratic voters and caucus-goers who chose Obama. In 2004 there were certainly millions of us who thought that we were better judges than the majority who voted for Bush.

And, speaking of polls, my recollection is that, in 1991, after the first Gulf War, George H. W. Bush enjoyed huge support in the polls -- polls that were closer to Election Day than the ones you keep trumpeting. If you disagree with the approval of Bush 41, are you saying that you're a better judge of that than those people themselves are? I have no trouble saying Yes, I certainly am, but then I never give the impression that poll results are the fount of all wisdom.

[VanillaRhapsody]

73. see...YOU don't get to decide what THE issues that determine that ARE now do you?

here are a few more you are failing to recognize

Strongly Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's unrestricted right
(+5 points on Social scale) Lift ban on stem cell research to cure devastating diseases: Favors topic 1
Respect Roe v. Wade, but make adoptions easier too: Favors topic 1
Alternatives to pro-choice like forced pregnancy in Romania: Strongly Favors topic 1
Must safeguard constitutional rights, including choice: Favors topic 1
Remain vigilant on a woman’s right to chose: Favors topic 1
Keep abortion safe, legal and rare: Favors topic 1
Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion: Favors topic 1
Supports parental notice & family planning: Opposes topic 1
No abortion for sex selection in China: Opposes topic 1
Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus: Favors topic 1
Endorsed Recommended by EMILY's List of pro-choice women: Favors topic 1
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record: Strongly Favors topic 1
Expand embryonic stem cell research: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims: Favors topic 1
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance: Strongly Favors topic 1
Provide emergency contraception at military facilities: Favors topic 1
Ensure access to and funding for contraception: Favors topic 1
Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception: Favors topic 1
NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP: Favors topic 1
NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime: Favors topic 1
YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives: Favors topic 1
NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions: Favors topic 1
YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines: Favors topic 1
Strongly Favors topic 2:
Legally require hiring women & minorities
(-5 points on Economic scale) Some world leaders are still misogynistic: Favors topic 2
We’ve come a long way on race, but we have a long way to go: Strongly Favors topic 2
Apologize for slavery, but concentrate on civil rights now: Favors topic 2
Human rights are women’s rights: Neutral on topic 2
Women’s rights are human rights: Favors topic 2
OpEd: "18 million cracks" meant "lingering sexism": Strongly Favors topic 2
Equal pay is not yet equal: Strongly Favors topic 2
1988: Instituted gender diversity Report Card within ABA: Strongly Opposes topic 2
Argued with Bill Clinton about diluting affirmative action: Strongly Favors topic 2
Shift from group preferences to economic empowerment of all: Neutral on topic 2
Sponsored bill maintaining role of women in armed forces: Favors topic 2
Rated 96% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance: Strongly Favors topic 2
Recognize Juneteenth as historical end of slavery: Strongly Favors topic 2
Re-introduce the Equal Rights Amendment: Strongly Favors topic 2
Reinforce anti-discrimination and equal-pay requirements: Favors topic 2
Ban discriminatory compensation; allow 2 years to sue: Favors topic 2
Sponsored bill enforcing against gender pay discrimination: Strongly Favors topic 2
Strongly Favors topic 3:
Comfortable with same-sex marriage
(+5 points on Social scale) Increase America’s commitment against Global AIDS: Favors topic 3
DOMA discrimination holds us back from a more perfect union: Strongly Favors topic 3
I support gay marriage personally and as law: Strongly Favors topic 3
Let states decide gay marriage; they’re ahead of feds: Favors topic 3
2004:defended traditional marriage; 2006:voted for same-sex: Strongly Favors topic 3
Federal Marriage Amendment would be terrible step backwards: Favors topic 3
Gays deserve domestic partnership benefits: Strongly Favors topic 3
Military service based on conduct, not sexual orientation: Favors topic 3
More funding and stricter sentencing for hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance: Strongly Favors topic 3
Provide benefits to domestic partners of Federal employees: Strongly Favors topic 3
YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage: Strongly Favors topic 3
No opinion on topic 4:
Keep God in the public sphere
(0 points on Social scale) Partner with faith based community in empowerment zones: Strongly Favors topic 4
Tap into churches to avoid more Louima & Diallo cases: Favors topic 4
Community involvement helps, but only in short term: Favors topic 4
Link payments to good parenting behavior: Opposes topic 4
Allow student prayer, but no religious instruction: Opposes topic 4
Character education: teach empathy & self-discipline: Favors topic 4
Change what kids see in the media: Favors topic 4
Co-sponsored bill to criminalize flag-burning: Favors topic 4
Rated 0% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-Family-Value voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 4
Rated 100% by the AU, indicating support of church-state separation: Strongly Opposes topic 4
NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration: Opposes topic 4
Strongly Favors topic 5:
Expand ObamaCare
(-5 points on Economic scale) Outcry if AIDS were leading disease of young whites: Favors topic 5
Lower costs and improve quality and cover everybody: Strongly Favors topic 5
Supply more medical needs of families, & insure all children: Strongly Favors topic 5
Medicare should be strengthened today: Favors topic 5
Smaller steps to progress on health care: Favors topic 5
Guaranteed benefits & focus on prevention: Neutral on topic 5
2006: If I can't do universal coverage, why run?: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care will not work if it is voluntary: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care coverage by the end of my second term: Strongly Favors topic 5
We need a uniquely American solution to health care: Favors topic 5
Health care initiatives are her first priority in Senate: Strongly Favors topic 5
Establish "report cards" on HMO quality of care: Favors topic 5
Invest funds to alleviate the nursing shortage: Favors topic 5
Let states make bulk Rx purchases, and other innovations: Opposes topic 5
Rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record: Strongly Favors topic 5
Preserve access to Medicaid & SCHIP during economic downturn: Strongly Favors topic 5
NO on means-testing to determine Medicare Part D premium: Favors topic 5
NO on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit: Favors topic 5
NO on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit: Opposes topic 5
YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics: Favors topic 5
YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug: Strongly Favors topic 5
YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D: Favors topic 5
NO on limiting medical liability lawsuits to $250,000: Opposes topic 5
YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D: Favors topic 5
YES on overriding veto on expansion of Medicare: Favors topic 5
Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-5 points on Economic scale) 1997: Hillary warned against privatizing Social Security: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Soc.Sec. one of greatest inventions in American democracy: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Social Security protects families, not just retirees: Strongly Opposes topic 6
All should join the debate now to preserve future solvency: Opposes topic 6
Create Retirement Savings Accounts: Favors topic 6
Rated 100% by the ARA, indicating a pro-senior voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 6
NO on establishing reserve funds & pre-funding for Social Security: Opposes topic 6
Strongly Opposes topic 7:
Vouchers for school choice
(-5 points on Economic scale) OpEd: Common Core recycled from Clintons in 1980s and 1990s: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fully fund special education & 21st century classrooms: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice; but not private nor parochial: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers drain money from public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fight with Gore for public schools; no voucher “gimmicks”: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Charter schools provide choice within public system: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers siphon off much-needed resources: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Parents can choose, but support public schools: Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice and charter schools: Favors topic 7
Solemn vow never to abandon our public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Offer every parent Charter Schools and public school choice: Opposes topic 7
Rated 82% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes: Strongly Opposes topic 7
YES on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on funding student testing instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies: Opposes topic 7
Strongly Opposes topic 8:
Clean air and water are property rights
(-5 points on Social scale) $5B for green-collar jobs in economic stimulus package: Opposes topic 8
Voted against and consistently opposed to Yucca Mountain: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Scored 100% on Humane Society Scorecard on animal protection: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Remove PCBs from Hudson River by dredging 200 miles: Opposes topic 8
Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes: Strongly Opposes topic 8
EPA must do better on mercury clean-up: Opposes topic 8
Grants for beach water pollution under Clean Water Act: Opposes topic 8
Strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Opposes topic 9:
Stricter punishment reduces crime
(+2 points on Social scale) Longtime advocate of death penalty, with restrictions: Strongly Favors topic 9
Address the unacceptable increase in incarceration: Opposes topic 9
Mandatory sentences have been too widely used: Strongly Opposes topic 9
Give kids after-school activities to prevent gangs: Opposes topic 9
Spend more time with kids to prevent violence: Opposes topic 9
Supports citizen patrols & 3-Strikes-You’re-Out: Favors topic 9
Supports “Three Strikes” and more prison: Strongly Favors topic 9
End hate crimes and other intolerance: Favors topic 9
Require DNA testing for all federal executions: Opposes topic 9
Increase funding for "COPS ON THE BEAT" program: Opposes topic 9
Reduce recidivism by giving offenders a Second Chance: Strongly Opposes topic 9
YES on reinstating $1.15 billion funding for the COPS Program: Opposes topic 9
Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-5 points on Economic scale) Rein in idea that anybody can have a gun anywhere, anytime: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Against illegal guns, crack down on illegal gun dealers: Opposes topic 10
Get assault weapons & guns off the street: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Background check system could prevent Virginia Tech massacre: Opposes topic 10
Congress’ failure at Littleton response inspired Senate run: Opposes topic 10
Limit access to weapons; look for early warning signs: Opposes topic 10
License and register all handgun sales: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Gun control protects our children: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Lock up guns; store ammo separately: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Get weapons off the streets; zero tolerance for weapons: Opposes topic 10
Prevent unauthorized firearm use with "smart gun" technology: Opposes topic 10
NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence: Strongly Opposes topic 10
NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Strongly Favors topic 11:
Higher taxes on the wealthy
(-5 points on Economic scale) Rescind tax cuts for those making more than $250,000 a year: Strongly Favors topic 11
Pay down debt & cut taxes within balanced budget: Favors topic 11
GOP tax plan would hurt New York’s students: Favors topic 11
Rated 21% by NTU, indicating a "Big Spender" on tax votes: Strongly Favors topic 11
Rated 80% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset: Favors topic 11
YES on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates: Favors topic 11
YES on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction: Favors topic 11
NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years: Strongly Favors topic 11
YES on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut: Favors topic 11
YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax: Strongly Favors topic 11
Favors topic 12:
Pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens
(+2 points on Social scale) Introduce a path to earn citizenship in the first 100 days: Strongly Favors topic 12
Consider halting certain raids on illegal immigrant families: Favors topic 12
Deporting all illegal immigrants is unrealistic: Strongly Favors topic 12
Illegal immigrants with driver’s licenses puts them at risk: Opposes topic 12
Oppose granting driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants: Opposes topic 12
More border patrolling on both Mexican AND Canadian borders: Opposes topic 12
Anti-immigrant bill would have criminalized Jesus Christ: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sanctuary cities ok; local police can’t enforce immigration: Favors topic 12
Comprehensive reform to get 12 million out of shadows: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill covering child resident aliens under Medicaid: Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill funding social services for noncitizens: Favors topic 12
Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities": Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on establishing a Guest Worker program: Favors topic 12
YES on building a fence along the Mexican border: Strongly Opposes topic 12
YES on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program: Neutral topic 12
NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on comprehensive immigration reform: Strongly Favors topic 12
Opposes topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(-3 points on Economic scale) Smart, pro-American trade: NAFTA has hurt workers: Strongly Opposes topic 13
No fast-track authority for this president: Opposes topic 13
Defended outsourcing of US jobs to India: Favors topic 13
1980s: Loved Wal-Mart's "Buy America" program: Opposes topic 13
Globalization should not substitute for humanization: Opposes topic 13
Supports MFN for China, despite concerns over human rights: Strongly Favors topic 13
Build a rule-based global trading system: Favors topic 13
Rated 17% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on removing common goods from national security export rules: Favors topic 13
YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam: Favors topic 13
NO on extending free trade to Andean nations: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between US & Singapore: Favors topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between the US and Chile: Favors topic 13
NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on free trade agreement with Oman: Strongly Favors topic 13
Opposes topic 14:
Maintain US sovereignty from UN
(-3 points on Economic scale) US support & no-fly zone, but UN troops on ground in Darfur: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Support UN reform because US benefits: Opposes topic 14
2002 Iraq speech criticized both Saddam and U.N.: Opposes topic 14
Urged President to veto UN condemnation of Israel: Favors topic 14
Engage in world affairs, including human rights: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Keep Cuban embargo; pay UN bills: Opposes topic 14
2002: Attacking Iraq "not a good option" but authorized it: Favors topic 14
Voted against Levin Amendment: it gave UN veto over US: Favors topic 14
Dems believe in fighting terror with cooperation: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Restore habeas corpus for detainees in the War on Terror: Opposes topic 14
YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees: Strongly Opposes topic 14
YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods: Strongly Opposes topic 14
NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad: Strongly Opposes topic 14
No opinion on topic 15:
Expand the military
(0 points on Social scale) There is no safe haven for the terrorists: Favors topic 15
Our troops are stretched; so increase size of military: Favors topic 15
Rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 15
Extend reserve retirement pay parity back to 9/11: Favors topic 15
Improve mental health care benefits for returning veterans: Favors topic 15
YES on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding: Opposes topic 15
YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months: Opposes topic 15
Strongly Favors topic 16:
Stricter limits on voting rights
(-5 points on Social scale) Voter suppression revives old demons of discrimination: Favors topic 16
Stand for public financing and getting money out of politics: Strongly Favors topic 16
Presidents should reveal donations to their foundations: Strongly Favors topic 16
Move to public election financing, not banning lobbyists: Strongly Favors topic 16
Verified paper ballot for every electronic voting machines: Favors topic 16
Called for ban on all soft money in 2000 campaign: Favors topic 16
Prohibit 'voter caging' which intimidates minority voting: Favors topic 16
YES on banning campaign donations from unions & corporations: Favors topic 16
YES on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads: Favors topic 16
NO on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity: Opposes topic 16
NO on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress: Strongly Favors topic 16
Favors topic 17:
Stay out of Iran
(+2 points on Social scale) Smartest strategic choice is peace: Favors topic 17
Extend peace treaties to Palestinians, Syrians & Lebanese: Favors topic 17
Foreign aid spending is only 1%; lead by remaining engaged: Strongly Favors topic 17
Up to the Iraqis to decide the future they will have: Favors topic 17
Demand Bush to explain to Congress on his plan on Iraq: Favors topic 17
Deauthorize Iraq war, and don’t grant new war authority: Strongly Favors topic 17
Phased redeployment out of Iraq, beginning immediately: Strongly Favors topic 17
Withdraw troops within 60 days after taking office: Strongly Favors topic 17
Voted for Iraq war based on available info; now would not: Favors topic 17
Progressive Internationalism: globalize with US pre-eminence: Favors topic 17
No troop surge: no military escalation in Iraq: Strongly Favors topic 17
Require Congress' approval before military action in Iran: Favors topic 17
YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq: Strongly Opposes topic 17
NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007: Strongly Opposes topic 17
YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008: Strongly Favors topic 17
Strongly Favors topic 18:
Prioritize green energy
(-5 points on Economic scale) $100B per year by 2020 for climate change mitigation: Strongly Favors topic 18
Remove energy dependence on countries who would harm us: Strongly Favors topic 18
Stands for clean air and funding the EPA: Favors topic 18
Reduce air pollution to improve children’s health: Favors topic 18
Ratify Kyoto; more mass transit: Strongly Favors topic 18
Supports tradable emissions permits for greenhouse gases: Favors topic 18
Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy: Strongly Favors topic 18
Establish greenhouse gas tradeable allowances: Strongly Favors topic 18
Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence: Favors topic 18
Designate sensitive ANWR area as protected wilderness: Favors topic 18
Set goal of 25% renewable energy by 2025: Strongly Favors topic 18
Let states define stricter-than-federal emission standards: Strongly Favors topic 18
Gas tax holiday for the summer: Opposes topic 18
NO on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill: Favors topic 18
YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%): Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge: Favors topic 18
YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning: Favors topic 18
YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies: Strongly Favors topic 18
Opposes topic 19:
Never legalize marijuana
(+2 points on Social scale) Medical marijuana maybe ok; states decide recreational use: Opposes topic 19
Divert non-violent drug offenders away from prison: Strongly Opposes topic 19
Address drug problem with treatment and special drug courts: Strongly Opposes topic 19
End harsher sentencing for crack vs. powder cocaine: Opposes topic 19
Require chemical resellers to certify against meth use: Favors topic 19
Strongly Favors topic 20:
Stimulus better than market-led recovery
(-5 points on Economic scale) Wealthy should go back to paying pre-Bush tax rates: Favors topic 20
Want to restore the tax rates we had in the ‘90s: Favors topic 20
Help people facing foreclosure; don’t just bail-out banks: Strongly Favors topic 20
Minimum wage increases haven’t kept up with Congress’ wages: Strongly Favors topic 20
Co-sponsored bills totaling $502B in spending thru 2005: Strongly Favors topic 20
End Bush tax cuts;take things away from rich for common good: Favors topic 20
Social issues matter; wrong time for tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 20
Use tax dollars to upgrade infrastructure, not for stadium: Strongly Favors topic 20
America can afford to raise the minimum wage: Strongly Favors topic 20
Just Say No to GOP tax plan: Strongly Favors topic 20
YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million: Strongly Favors topic 20

[Jim Lane]

77. As a matter of fact, I *do* get to decide what issues will determine my vote.

My guess is that you're referring to this sterile debate about whether Clinton is a liberal or not -- and that, in your zeal to promote her, you're responding to my comments on that subject without bothering to notice that I haven't actually made any comments on that subject.

"Liberal" is in many ways a subjective term. For example, someone in this thread criticized Clinton for supporting H-1B visa expansion. Is that a liberal position? Liberals traditionally favor helping the disadvantaged and oppose xenophobia, and H-1B expansion serves those goals. On the other hand, liberals traditionally favor stronger labor unions and higher wages for workers, and H-1B expansion undercuts those goals.

Even after you decide what the liberal position on each issue is, how do you rate a candidate or prospective candidate whose positions are mixed? There's no objective scale of liberalism by which you can assign each person a numerical score, and then compare them. How many liberalism points does Clinton lose for having voted for the PATRIOT Act or the Iraq War? How many of those points does she get back for belatedly recognizing that the latter vote was a mistake?

In sum, there's no one who gets to decide (in the sense of a definitive ruling) how liberal anyone else is.

Fortunately, this debate about who's a "liberal" doesn't really matter. I certainly tend to vote for the candidates labeled as more "liberal" by the media, but the label isn't why I vote for them.

[VanillaRhapsody]

80. and YOU don't speak for the Party....

they seem to disagree with you! At least 64% of them do! 2 out of 3!

[Jim Lane]

81. And YOU don't speak for the Ottoman Empire. So there.

The basis of the comparison is that the number of posts in which I have asserted the authority to speak for the Democratic Party is precisely equal to the number of posts in which you have asserted the authority to speak for the Ottoman Empire.

As for your fetishized 64%, I think two things are clear:
1. If the process for selecting the Democratic nominee for 2016 were to take a poll of Democrats in 2014, Hillary Clinton would be the nominee.
2. The process for selecting the Democratic nominee for 2016 is NOT to take a poll of Democrats in 2014.

My personal opinion is that, if Clinton chooses to run in 2016, she will more likely than not be the nominee. That prediction is perfectly consistent with my not desiring that outcome. Those of us in the Depressed by Hillary camp have quite a bit of time in which we're allowed to try to change people's minds.

[VanillaRhapsody]

82. funny that.....I didn't try to....

but do go on.....I find desperation and hypocrisy amusing!

2 out of 3!!!!

[Jim Lane]

85. My point exactly. (n/t)

[VanillaRhapsody]

86. You have one?

hadn't seen one....maybe it needs "sharpening"

[Scuba]

23. Pro war, pro Wall Street, pro TPP, pro Keystone XL, pro H-1B visas. Yep, that's a liberal all right.

If "liberal" means "corporate Republican".

[VanillaRhapsody]

25. read it and weep..

Http://ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm

[Scuba]

32. Pro war, pro Wall Street, pro TPP, pro Keystone XL, pro H-1B visas. Those DQ any "liberal" status.

[VanillaRhapsody]

34. there is more to being a Liberal than JUST those issues sorry...

read it and weep!

Here are the issues covered under that...


Foreign Policy, Gun Control, Budget & Economy, Education,
Homeland Security, Crime, Government Reform, Civil Rights,
War & Peace, Drugs, Tax Reform, Abortion,
Free Trade Health Care, Social Security, Families & Children,
Immigration, Technology, Corporations, Welfare & Poverty,
Energy & Oil, Environment, Jobs Principles & Values,
Signature sponsorships (key bills introduced by Hillary Clinton)

Overall score:




I know the Far Left Dem leaning Independents do not like when their hypocrisy is pointed out clearly!

[Scuba]

35. Sure there is, but being on the wrong side of those issues DQ's you.

[VanillaRhapsody]

36. although if you actually read the source you will see by her REAL record she is NOT on the wrong sid

Unless of course you also think Elizabeth Warren fails on that account and is on the "wrong side of the issues" too....because she scores almost identical to Hillary Clinton!

read it and weep!

[Scuba]

39. I agree that Elizabeth Warren is not a liberal, although I like her position on the banksters.

[cascadiance]

33. That link just has a mound of crap in it intended to intimidate...

... with items like the following (and I've only read about 10-20% of them)...

"1980s: Loved Wal-Mart's "Buy America" program. (Jun 2004)"

WTF does that mean? As someone on the board of Wal-Mart, how does that reflect ANY kind of reality of what Wal-Mart is doing today? Is it "loving" their propaganda? It is pretty meaningless without more details, just as most of the lines in that link are.

I go by things like the following to justify my concerns about an issue like H-1B Visa that has a lot of personal effect on my career now, especially at the moment now in my life, which has kept me from being as active in GOTV efforts the way I would have liked to have been.

She wants to *employ* Americans? Pretty clear from this link that she doesn't, at least not without us competing against indentured servant labor forces imported from overseas who spend their money overseas instead of our economy too.

[VanillaRhapsody]

38. still trying desperately to show those pathetic 64% of Democrats the error of their ways are ya?

[cascadiance]

46. Still trying to quote MEANINGLESS statistics to justify NOTHING to us!

Hillary Clinton is pretty specific in the link i posted. You apparently are INCAPABLE of having even a first grade quality debate team portfolio of arguments.

64% of NAME RECOGNITION, which was also FALSELY indicating that Hillary Clinton would have double the support over Obama in the last election only a year out from it means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING dude!

Why don't you try to use your brain and try to explain explicitly why Clinton's support for H-1B visas is helpful to the American middle class. The fact is as a paid propagandist, you CAN'T!

And I'll avoid the emoticons that you also seem addicted to to try and elevate your own sense of self importance.

[VanillaRhapsody]

47. Meaningless to YOU....if EW or BS had those numbers you would be shouting it from the rooftops

and YOU Know it is a FACT!

Try using YOUR brain!

[cascadiance]

53. Obama won with 20% of the vote versus 50% of these polls versus Hillary Clinton!

only a YEAR away from the election versus over two years!

And you know THAT is a fact! And that FACT shows they are MEANINGLESS! Try using YOUR brain!

[VanillaRhapsody]

54. and that is a RARE occurrence....THAT is a fact....try using YOUR brain as you first suggested I do!

Just like having a FEMALE candidate that is polling at 64% nearly 2/3 of the party (higher than ANY has ever been recorded this far out) not to mention she is polling ahead of EVERY Republican INCLUDING Jeb Bush.....this alone is something that has NEVER happened before...

those are FACTS for YOUR brain!

[cascadiance]

57. And it still does not MEAN anything dude!

Other than Republicans are really BAD now, and that the corporate media are more consolidated than they ever have been in the past and more under control of corporate interests and their agendas than they have ever been too!

[VanillaRhapsody]

58. as I already said...IF YOU could claim those numbers...they wouldn't be meaningless at all

would they "dude"?

[cascadiance]

65. Numbers from groups wanting to promote corporate agendas are NOTHING when talking about Clinton.

Now, if the corporate media were to favor Elizabeth Warren, who's LESS in bed with corporate interests than Clinton, then that would be something worth looking at then. But it is completely understandable that they are reflecting their agenda in these so-called "fact" sites and distorted Libertarian graphs to try and rationalize that Warren is no different than Clinton, and that Clinton is more popular because they keep saying so.

Please, though if Warren had those numbers, I'd probably mention it, that would NOT stop me from ALSO mentioning the issues and the specifics on why she does better than Clinton and other corporatists on her drives to make Wall Street more accountable that even Reagan was more capable than our current government has been, and on other issues like trying to get our students out of record debt that has been pushed on to them trying to get a reasonable education today.

Still waiting for your elementary brain to do more than just cut and paste links he's told to give us and to make even an attempt to point out why Clinton is better on an issue than Warren is to justify your rationalization that with substance she's a better candidate. ONE ISSUE!

[VanillaRhapsody]

66. No those numbers are the Democrats that support her!

your Dem Leaning Independent thoughts on it are a NON-ISSUE!

[cascadiance]

70. So, if she had close to support of 50% of the country, not just Democrats...

How is this poll history NOT relevant! If she had around 50% of all voters, then what percentage did she have at the point from just Democrats versus Obama. Note the history here how her poll numbers didn't change much over time, but Obama's climbed. Same could happen with another candidate like Warren that the corporatist media isn't supporting like they do Clinton.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

[grasswire]

83. Get this through your head.

A left-leaning Democrat is just as much a DEMOCRAT as is your preferred variety, whatever it is.

I am sick of your insults against DEMOCRATS here on DU.

[blkmusclmachine]

4. Clinton/Cuomo 2016 ("You don't need no stinkin' choices!"/"Third Way, All The Way")

[PAProgressive28]

7. Clinton/Cuomo vs. Bush/Rubio

[VanillaRhapsody]

18. 64% have already made their choice known!

[Scuba]

37. Yeah, but the election is still two years off. People will learn who the real Hillary is.

[VanillaRhapsody]

40. Oh you mean EW or BS is going to gain over 50% of the Democratic vote?

to catch up to Hillary?

Good luck...by the way...bet you got that graphic from Rightwingers...

[cascadiance]

50. Barack Obama only had 20% support a year later in the election cycle and WON and got reelected!

Those numbers are meaningless dude! And they tell us NOTHING about what Clinton stands for. Only what the corporate media tries to trump up name recognition for. You prove our point that she is the darling of corporate media!

[VanillaRhapsody]

52. Oh so you are counting on EW or BS catching lightening in a bottle too "dude"?

good luck with that!!!

by the way....they are both still in single digits not 20%!!! The odds are FAR against them!

I point out that she is the darling of the Democratic party at this point....she is our power hitter...not only is she well liked in the Party....she beats ALL Republican comers...



who you got that can make that claim hmmmm?

[cascadiance]

55. I think someone that has less support from corporate sectors than Obama did...

... likely has MORE support from the general public than Obama did at that point that the corporate media continue to try and hide, like they did when Obama came up with "Hope and Change" that the media tried to fight with all of these "poll mantras" that you seem so keen on echoing again this time around.

I point out to you that she is the darling of corporate interests and THEIR media to push name recognition as a sole factor determining the race. Just measuring whether people like her better than Republicans means NOTHING on whether people LIKE HER for what SHE IS!

These polls are manipulated as you continue to do...

And am still waiting you to try to make a REAL case on specific issues why she's better. WHY is her supporting H-1B visa programs good for Democrats and good for the American middle class? Why don't you answer this? Fact is you CAN'T. That's why you continue to ignore being specific on issues, when you know you will lose, so you continue to try and distract our conversations with the "64%" crap!

[VanillaRhapsody]

41. YOU sure as hell did....here is the source of that graphic...you might want to self delete!

http://www.danzfamily.com/


Haters gotta HATE....and birds of a feather!

[Scuba]

44. That's not where I got it, but I'm not surprised the right is using it. They hate her, which is ...

... one of the many reasons she can't win.

Hell, less than two-thirds of liberals like her.

[NYC_SKP]

89. Jury results:

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

If you have an issue with Clinton's policies, post it. Insulting photos of a former Democratic Senator and Secretary of State is uncalled for.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Oct 26, 2014, 11:12 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I agree...unnecessary and not informative.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's obnoxious and arguably sexist, but I don't think it rises to the level of a TOS violation.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh, she can take it. Let's wait until Warren is the candidate before we start protecting poor non-candidates from being mocked.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I'm often in agreement with this poster, but in this case, I agree with the alerter. I don't particularly like HRC but DU should be better than this.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[brooklynite]

91. With a thoughtful argument like this, you'll certainly convince the 17 Mil people who voted for her

last time.

[PAProgressive28]

6. The cavalry has arrived

Saperstein, Ben & Jerry's...the momentum is building.

Bernie 2016!

[VanillaRhapsody]

17. Has Bernie become a Democrat yet???

which would signal HIS move to the Right!

[TheNutcracker]

31. Very funny. He does understand the 3rd party dilemma....it is for real.

You can accuse him of going right by switching, but you cannot do that by what he say, or how he votes. In other words, his RECORD is outstanding for citizens in the U.S.

[VanillaRhapsody]

94. I'm not that is the point.....its about all those that say the Democrats are too far to the right...

soooo IF Bernie becomes one....its to A get in on that Democrat election action...aka money....and also means if THEY are soooooo far to the Right...it means a big step to the Right for Bernie....by your own standards!

Hoisted on your own petard!

[adirondacker]

92. Does he need to sit on the board of Walmart or Goldman Sachs to meet your conditions?

"Dear Delegate:

When Bill and I were at Yale Law School, he volunteered to work on the campaign of a young man who was running for State Senate. The candidate's name was Joe Lieberman.

When I started running for the Senate in New York in 1999, many people thought I didn't have a chance. One sitting senator, however, provided me significant help early on in my campaign. That was Senator Joe Lieberman.

In the Senate, I have had the pleasure of getting to know Joe even better. We work together on both the Armed Services and Environment and Public Works Committees and I have seen his leadership first hand. He has repeatedly led the fight against the big oil companies that want to drill in the Arctic, he has championed innovative alternative energy solutions and his bill to combat global warming is the most thoughtful and comprehensive that's been proposed.

As Senators from neighboring states, Joe and I have worked on many issues together: strengthening support for first responders, improving children's health care, and cleaning up Long Island Sound so that families in New York and Connecticut can enjoy it for generations to come.

Last year, right after the 2004 election, President Bush announced that privatizing Social Security was his highest priority. Joe Lieberman fought tooth and nail to protect the guarantee of Social Security that this country has honored for seven decades to its senior citizens.

And Joe has also fought the Administration's outrageous attempts to gut Medicare and Medicaid and he has been a consistent critic of their ill conceived prescription drug plan. Now Joe is working hard to see if he can help improve that plan.

I believe that the 2006 election is a particularly important one for our country. We have the chance to put Democrats in control of the Senate and the House, to curb the excesses of one party Republican rule and hold Republicans accountable for their actions. Keeping Joe Lieberman in the Senate is an important part of that victory plan.

I know that you may not agree with Joe on all the issues. I don't either. But I know that he is a man of integrity and of devotion to the people of his state and the future of his country.

I hope when you cast your vote on May 20th and then again on August 8th that you will vote to send my friend Joe Lieberman back to the Senate.
Many thanks,
Senator Hillary Clinton"

[VanillaRhapsody]

95. Well he has to become a Democrat to join the Primary....right?

and YOU think the Democratic Party is too far to the Right...they are "Republican Lite" right?

then THAT means ...if Bernie becomes one....HE just moved to the Right!

Its simple math!

Oh and the second part of the equation....Hillary Clinton has a 64% approval rating among those same Democrats!

[Mc Mike]

21. Boxer. Boxer! Boxer!!

Etc.

[cascadiance]

49. Though I was disappointed when she along with Feinstein stood against the filibuster rule reform

when my senator Merkley was trying to get rid of Republican obstructionism in the Senate.

I had expected Feinstein to do this sort of thing, but not Boxer. I think voters should ask her why she did this, especially when Feinstein was trying to push a firearms control bill in the Senate at the same time that got filibustered down due to both of their standing in the way of filibuster reform.

http://americablog.com/2013/01/action-alert-filibuster-reform-senate.html

Also disappointed that Leahy was standing in the way too. I had earlier really loved how he stood up for us with the Telecomm bill during the Clinton era. Would have thought that Bernie might have talked him out of this.

Happy also to see just this last week that Merkley is the first Senator that has been publicly quoted to say he wants to lift the prohibition laws on marijuana. I think he would be a great running mate for Warren or Sanders!

[Mc Mike]

78. I see your Warren tag, casc.

I would vote for Sen. Warren, I'm just opposed to Sen.\Sec. Clinton, in the primary.

In general, I've liked Sen. Boxer's stands over the years, though I agree with you opposing filibuster reform wasn't right. (Feinstein I rarely expect anything good from.) Boxer has experience, name recognition, a progressive track record. It is about time we get a woman president, and the women Dems who backed a woman Prez candidate put their interests on the back burner to back Prez Obama in '08 after the primary.

I like Sen Warren's progressive ideals, and if she is our candidate, her quick upward trajectory will match that of the Sen Obama. I don't oppose her, my first choice is someone who I've tracked longer, and is more of a known quantity for me, who I trust as a progressive.

I like your Sen Merkley, too. We have a lot of good progressive Senators, though I don't have one in my state, PA. Casey is a bit more conservative, a machine Dem, mixed bag. I like Leahy for the most part, but he'll do our party better in the Sen.

[cascadiance]

79. I feel exactly as you do...

Boxer used to be my senator before I moved to Oregon, and I liked her in most of what she did then. But it was very frustrating for me to see her work against the filibuster. I think it must have been part of a deal that she cut someplace. I'd like to understand the circumstances of that, and perhaps if what she got in exchange for that was good enough, I might have agreed with her. In the absence of that though, and knowing how much not being able to reform the filibuster hurt us in many areas, and in my book was a very critical item that Democrats should have supported, I think it is something that those voting for her in a subsequent election should get an explanation for. I certainly see her as valuable in the Senate, but before I'd vote for her for president, I'd like to understand what lead her to stand in the way of filibuster reform. We can't afford too many mistakes like that from our president, no matter how good they may be in so many other areas.

[Mc Mike]

112. I was strongly in favor of eliminating the repugs' ability to filibuster,

because I knew if we didn't, they were going to do so anyway, the next time they got the Senate majority.

But that single issue doesn't wipe out her good work, for me. There really isn't any national elected figure that does 100% what I would want, I shoot for 80-90 % agreement with them, and I'm happy. I don't know what kind of deal went down, to make her vote against. It does seem unlike what you would predict she would do. But I admire her anyway, and she has voted how I would like most of the time.

[TheNutcracker]

30. I'm supporting Bernie Sanders, until he says he's not running

[Maedhros]

76. Liberals are expected to abandon their principles and follow the Party to the Right.

I say "Nay!"

[NYC_SKP]

88. ...to the Right and over the cliff.

Not me, no thank you.

[polichick]

105. WTF? Isn't it enough that there's a D behind her name?!

[RadicalGeek]

107. Lest WE forget

That HRC was the "Chosen One" early in 2007, we saw what happened.

A Sanders/Warren/Feingold challenge might at least force HRC to acknowledge the "Democratic Wing" of the party.

Of course, since it looks like the GOP nominee is going to basically be a representative of the mobile estates, should be a easy win. . .

[wyldwolf]

121. by "seek" they mean...

... begging non-Democrats, parsing the words of another Democrat and kicking the tires of one of the most conservative (now ex) senators to call himself "Democrat" in a generation.