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flpoljunkie

(26,184 posts)
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 02:02 PM Oct 2014

Will the Republicans' deliberate obstruction win them control of Congress?

We read the American people are tired of Congress not getting anything done. Will they unwittingly go to the polls and put the people who have caused all the obstruction in charge?

Will the plan hatched by the Republicans the night Barack Obama was sworn into office finally succeed?

Or, will the American people figure out their duplicitous game?

We will soon see.

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Will the Republicans' deliberate obstruction win them control of Congress? (Original Post) flpoljunkie Oct 2014 OP
Or was it the redistricting of 2010? WhiteTara Oct 2014 #1
that certainly has a big impact on the house, but it doesn't explain the senate unblock Oct 2014 #4
it was the lack of turnout that did it. the maps can be drawn and redrawn at anytime belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #6
They've ckeverly exploited the cognitive dissonance COLGATE4 Oct 2014 #2
When Pres. Obama was elected and the repugs started the obstruction I thought... Bonhomme Richard Oct 2014 #3
not so much a matter of stupidity when the republicans control the microphones. unblock Oct 2014 #7
Sadly, I have come to understand they ARE that stupid Cosmocat Oct 2014 #17
HOw much do people know of the obstruction? Since Obama was elected the word "filibuster" has been Bill USA Oct 2014 #18
If polls are right Robbins Oct 2014 #5
Republicans are followers and they'll continue to follow... polichick Oct 2014 #8
A photo to make you smile at this link. Bethune Cookman students marching to vote today in Florida. flpoljunkie Oct 2014 #9
Nice to see such things in my beloved home state of Floriduh! polichick Oct 2014 #10
Their goal has been to get people to hate government. And its working. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #11
Aided and abetted by a feckless, cowardly media flpoljunkie Oct 2014 #12
Although I'd use the word venal to describe the media. freshwest Oct 2014 #13
You're right. I was too kind. flpoljunkie Oct 2014 #14
I go to intent. They aren't cowardly. They aren't feckless. They are paid: freshwest Oct 2014 #16
Absolutely correct. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #15

WhiteTara

(29,692 posts)
1. Or was it the redistricting of 2010?
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 02:09 PM
Oct 2014

That's when they drew maps that gave them control. We the people are screwn.

 

belzabubba333

(1,237 posts)
6. it was the lack of turnout that did it. the maps can be drawn and redrawn at anytime
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 02:27 PM
Oct 2014

people sat out the 2010 and the teatards took over.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
2. They've ckeverly exploited the cognitive dissonance
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 02:13 PM
Oct 2014

that seems to characterize many American voters. People understand that government has come to a virtual standstill but are unsure as to whom to blame. Since the Democrats are in power (Obama, Senate), it seems logical that they are to blame for the standstill. Voters will accordingly punish the uncooperative Democrats by voting in Rethuglicans. Rinse and repeat.

Bonhomme Richard

(8,997 posts)
3. When Pres. Obama was elected and the repugs started the obstruction I thought...
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 02:23 PM
Oct 2014

the electorate couldn't be that stupid..........we will see, but I think they are that stupid. I do know the republicans think they are.

unblock

(52,095 posts)
7. not so much a matter of stupidity when the republicans control the microphones.
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 02:29 PM
Oct 2014

i sometimes flip around the radio dial during my commute. just from my random anecdotal sampling, there are maybe 5-10 times as many republican/anti-democratic ads as there are democratic/anti-republican ads.

and this is in connecticut, hardly a right-wing bastion.

people clearly should be far more engaged and aware, but it's kinda hard to find fault with the people when the playing field is so lopsided.

Cosmocat

(14,557 posts)
17. Sadly, I have come to understand they ARE that stupid
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:36 PM
Oct 2014

It is not even debatable, and they are more stupid than I possibly could have imagined.

I was a bit naïve in the 90s, I just could not get how brutal republicans were toward Clinton, I thought he was a likeable guy AND a solid president.

I just did not get it.

I knew Bush II was going to be a disaster, and somehow he was WORSE than I thought. HTF the people of this country saw fit to disregard the smart guy and vote "for the guy would want to have a beer with" when he was obviously a son of privilege in over his head was mystifying.

I held out hope that after a decade of stupidity the country was going to give democrats a chance to get things headed in the right direction after 06 and 08.

But, I learned a seminal lesson in 2010.

There was NO reason, absolutely NONE, to give republicans any power.

But, somehow, somehow, the effort to do MUCH needed health care reform was ginned into the greatest threat to democracy in our history and we elected the biggest group of dipshits in our history to congress.

That set all that I had observed in my life in stone - the people of this country just will go out of the way to gobble down republican bullshit, and for all the spineless, feckless abyss that is the democratic party, will follow republicans down whatever rat hole they lead them to.

I work my poll and will vote - what I feel my obligation is. But, I have totally tuned this one out, hoping against all hope that somehow the dust clears next Wednesday and the senate isn't handed to these fuckwads.

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
18. HOw much do people know of the obstruction? Since Obama was elected the word "filibuster" has been
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 05:04 PM
Oct 2014
'verboten' on M$M tv. I'll bet about 3% of the people know that the GOP has set records for filibustering during Obama's administration. One would think if the Repugnants SET RECORDS for filibustering THAT WOULD BE NEWSWORTHY. But the public relations arm of the GOP (GOP - M$M) dare not pass that information along. If the public was aware of this in greater numbers (than single digits) President Obama's approval ratings would be MUCH higher (and the GOP's even lower).


I have contended for a long time every poll which asks for the public's attitude about how Obama is doing should also include questions to set a baseline of knowledge of the electorate. That way you could correlate the attitudes toward Obama (and toward Congress) to knowledgeability (sp?) of the political situation). But Pollsters are quite UN-interested in that. Such polls re publics knowledge of current events are taken but they are done much less frequently than opinion polls pertaining to the President's approval rating.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
8. Republicans are followers and they'll continue to follow...
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 03:50 PM
Oct 2014

I guess the outcome depends on how many Dems and indies vote, and how many votes Republicans are able to steal or suppress.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
16. I go to intent. They aren't cowardly. They aren't feckless. They are paid:
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:38 AM
Oct 2014
Venality is a vice associated with being bribeable or of selling one's services or power, especially when one should act justly instead. In its most recognizable form, dishonesty, venality causes people to lie and steal for their personal advantage, and is related to bribery and nepotism, among other vices.

Venality in its mild form is a vice notable especially among those with government or military careers. In these fields, one is supposed to act with justice and honor and not accept bribes. That ensures that the organization is not susceptible to self-interested parties.

The Oxford English Dictionary[1] defines it as:

1. The quality or fact of being for sale.
2. The quality of being venal; readiness to give support or favour in return for profit or reward; prostitution of talents or principles for mercenary considerations.


In contrast to the previous interpretation, dishonesty is not specifically expressed in the literal meaning, but is often implied. The condition of failing to act justly is not a literal component of the word's meaning either. By definition, committing "venal" acts does not indicate "stealing" or "lying", but rather suggests a consensual arrangement, perhaps without conscience or regard for consequences, but is not synonymous with stealing. While bribery could be related, nepotism clearly has no literal similarity or correlation with venality. Though venality is generally used as a pejorative term, an individual or entity could be venal (or mercenary) and not be corrupt or unethical. One could perform one's duties or job in a perfunctory manner in order to collect a wage or payment, or prostitute one's time or skills for monetary or material gain, without necessarily being dishonest.

Much contemporary use of the words venal or venality is applied to modern professional athletes, particularly baseball, basketball, American football, and soccer players all around the world. The implication being that the highly paid players are essentially "hired guns" with no allegiance to any team or city, and are motivated solely by the acquisition of material wealth.

For people to accept settlements and legislation, the acts of the government must be seen as just. This perception enhances the legitimacy of the government. Venality is a term often used with reference to pre-revolutionary France, where it describes the then-widespread practice of selling administrative positions within the government to the highest bidder, especially regarding the Nobles of the Robe.

Thus, for example, venality was a charge for which, in part, Danton and others were executed during the Terror.

Several so-called Reality TV programs have been criticized for their promotion of venal behavior; specifically Who Wants to Marry a Multi-Millionaire?, in which fifty women competed to marry a presumed multi-millionaire who was shown only in silhouette. The premise that the contestants would compete to marry an unseen stranger for no other reason than his wealth would be an example of venality.

"Venality" used in a pejorative but accurate sense, is used when describing apparent acts of care with an ulterior mercenary motive. An example is where one of a number of children seeks to care for his or her elderly parents, outwardly presenting compassion, but at the same time securing for himself or herself, access to and ultimate control of a greater share of income and assets than such person would be entitled to on a pro-rata distribution.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venality

The media enjoys one of the powerful positions in our country as defined by the First Amendment to the US Constitution. It has the power to influence voters to do good and bad things, and for many years they have been very bad ones that benefit the 1%.

We no longer have public media nor an obligation imposed on them to insure they are fair and honest. They deny us facts and give us fiction and lead us to act increasingly in anti-social ways. In my opinion, they are more dangerous than any other group in society.

Since the most powerful are now in the hands of a few right wing plutocrats, they only promote their interests, not the truth in any matter. Even advertisements are designed to keep us in a mindset that is against good outcomes.

What people do not realize when they refuse to vote, is that they are complicit in the process. Our vote is what they fear the most and our government is what they fear the most, so they are destroying it like termites, from the ground up. People don't understood how powerful as individuals they are when they vote, how they could change lives. The stakes are high which is why media is paid billions to influence us.

The whole country is on the auction block with every single election all year long and each word from media is to influence us. I have been paying attention to the media and its effects on the feelings and thinking processes it engenders. The farther we have gotten away from the public sphere and public good in media, the worse we have become as a nation. Media is the major medium for forming beliefs and directing behavior.





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