2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCould Chris Christie be 21 days away from becoming the next president?
Of course, Nurse Hickox has only won the battle, not the war -- has anybody stopped to think what would happen if she should happen to go contagious within the next 21 days? The MSM would worship Christie as a genius for sticking by his guns, putting him in the driver's seat of a public relations juggernaut -- bye-bye Bridge(t)-gate, Tunnel-gate, Sandy-gate, Samson-gate...
If Nurse Hickox comes up with Ebola like Dr. Spenser did, the argument could be made that medical personnel should spend their incubation periods where they are, and then be permitted to travel from an Ebola-affected country. But wouldn't it effectively give Christie one foot in the White House?
(by DUer WhenIwasInCongress)
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randys1
(16,286 posts)calimary
(81,179 posts)They read that as being strong.
How hard are we working, on our side, to change that opinion? To hang "BULLY" and maybe "MEAN BULLY" around his worthless neck?
Some things I'd say in response:
You like that? Oh. I see. You must like the bullying going on in school, too, DON'T YOU. (PUT THESE ASSHOLES ON DEFENSE.)
Hmmm. That's interesting. Rather revealing about you. Were YOU a bully in school, TOO????? (Put it back on THEM.)
You read that as "strong"? SERIOUSLY? That's actually a wrong read. He's got nothing but hot air and bluster. He sure has blustered YOU.
Cosmocat
(14,560 posts)Not saying relative who and what she is or may be as a president, but in this brain dead country, her name/brand is the only thing that can beat Christie, IMO.
They will run him as the no nonsense guy who will go to DC and take charger after the feckless Obama.
It is straight down the republican wheelhouse and WELL within the bounds of a meme the "liberal media" will be all giggly and gaspy to chant for them.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,656 posts)They think he's a RINO and they hate it that he got chummy with Obama after Hurricane Sandy. And Crispy has way too many other skeletons under his bridge -- I'd be very surprised if they nominated him, Ebola or no Ebola. The non-epidemic will be long gone by that time anyhow, and the public have a very, very short memory. And Crispy's short fuse and habit of bullying people will not play well outside New Jersey - they'll hate him in Iowa.
Cosmocat
(14,560 posts)I do think that it is very possible in a national campaign, Christie pops and spews his Jersey Shore routine and it hurt him.
But ... This is a republican we are talking about, and the rules are different. This is just like Bush II, literally a moron. SO, they came up with "he is a guy you would like to have a beer with!" and the media fawned all over that shit, and that 14 years ago when the media actually tried to make the pretense of being non-partial.
Christie could go off on a school teacher in Illinois, and the right wing won't be spineless twits like they dems, they will EMBRACE IT, "THIS IS WHAT DC NEEDS! If Christ Christie will stand up to a socialist, liberal POS scumbag teacher in a liberal bastion like Chicago, he will set DC STRAIGHT!" AND, the media will gleefully chant how he will be the tough, take charge guy who will straighten up DC after the feckless Obama.
They aren't like us, they don't run from faults, they champion them. AND, they aren't like us, the media will dutifully get behind whatever bullshit they spew.
Fundies didn't like McCain or Romney ... If the same dynamic works as the last two go arounds, there will be half a dozen half wits who run that the wingnuts love and break up their base, which will allow the "lesser" wingnut to clear the primary.
I am not saying this is for sure how it plays out, but if it were today, this is how it would go.
Same with the Hill thing ...
Lots of time, we will see.
Just hoping somehow the morons in this country find a way to not give the senate to these jackasses Tuesday.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,656 posts)The fundies never do get their guy nominated because the GOP moneybags always prevail. They'd have preferred Santorum or Huckabee (and wouldn't that have been a hilarious election). But I still think Christie won't get it. If the moneybags call the shots as they usually do it could be Jeb Bush (if W hasn't tainted the name forever). I'd love it if Santorum got it; that would be almost more entertainment than one could stand. But that won't happen.
Cosmocat
(14,560 posts)I do think if Jeb comes in, he probably will be the guy.
Santorum as someone who lives in PA, I actually think he is pretty sharp and capable guy as far as ass hole republicans go.
Don't get me wrong, I think he is horrible times 10.
But, he isn't stupid like a Bachman or the pizza guy.
He is a true believer.
Orangepeel
(13,933 posts)The fundy base has been pulling at the leash for a while, but the moneyed interests have prevailed so far.
I'm not predicting that Christie will win the GOP nod, but I don't believe the fundy's collective opinion would be enough to keep him out if the real powers that be wanted him.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Did you catch Greg Pallast on Thom's show today?
He is amazing, if you can watch his stuff on his website, do
you wont be sorry
http://www.gregpalast.com/
even if you have to pay for it
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)is he a hero for violating her civil rights?
As she said we need to base our decisions on science not politics.
I don't think we should bow to the hair on fire crowd at all.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
rocktivity
(44,573 posts)who would be a in perfect position to say to her, Obama, the media, and most important, swing voters "I told you so" all the way into the Oval office.
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KMOD
(7,906 posts)Reter
(2,188 posts)At first I thought "How could he become President in 21 days when he's not even in any direct line for the Presidency?"
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,656 posts)What if, what if, what if, what if. She's not sick and she's not likely to become sick. She has tested negative for the virus and still has no symptoms at all. And even if she were sick she could only transmit the virus to people who had contact with her bodily fluids. In other words, unless Nurse Hickox pukes or shits on you, you are not at all likely to get Ebola from her. So the notion that Crispy Christy will become president because Kaci Hickox started an epidemic OMG EBOLA111!!!!1 because she refused to be quarantined is really, really stretching it.
rocktivity
(44,573 posts)which is precisely (and fortunately) WHY you're not contagious until you're symptomatic. For the duration of her incubation period, the possibility of Hickox becoming sick (whether she infects anyone else or not) is still a reality -- one which Christie can manipulate into a political victory.
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KMOD
(7,906 posts)It's a high probability now that Kaci Hickox will not get sick.
Will people remember how he used Ebola fears for political gain? Will people remember how out of line and foolish he was?
Will he go down in the history books as a fool?
karynnj
(59,500 posts)One of two things will happen:
The 21 days ends uneventfully and the nurse no longer has any worry of ebola. ( Not to mention - she is already past the most likely time to get an infection. She arrived at Newark on Friday - 8 days ago. She did not fly directly from Africa, because you can't - therefore she has to be at least 9 days and possibly 10 days past leaving Africa. )
She takes her temperature twice a day, it becomes elevated and she enters into the hospital as other Doctors without Borders have done. In that case, it is STILL unlikely that anyone including her boyfriend will become infected because she would not be contagious until she has symptoms.
Even then, as seen by Duncan's case - where his family were with him for at least three days AFTER he showed a fever - it is not easy to catch.
The fact is - as the nurses's boyfriend said - she was just unlucky to return via that airport on that day. There have been about 50 Doctors without borders people have returned and have done just what she has agreed to do - and NO ONE has yet been infected by casual contact with any of them.
Not to mention, what REALLY makes Christie unlikely is that there are far too many of these "SIT DOWN!!" obnoxious bits that have been filmed. They REALLY look horrible on TV - worse even than they likely looked in person.
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(44,573 posts)...(S)he was just unlucky to return via that airport on that day...(A)bout 50 Doctors Without Borders people have returned and have done just what she has agreed to do - and NO ONE has yet been infected by casual contact with any of them.
About fifty? That is VERY good to know. But all of this tracking and fumigating and hysteria could be avoided if the incubation periods were added to their work assignments, during which they could do work that doesn't involve caring for patients.
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P.S. Are you familiar with the Christie Crime Digest?
karynnj
(59,500 posts)The hysteria is not because of the 50 doctors/nurses who returned, but a media that has created mass hysteria. The point is that NO ONE has been infected by ANY of the Duncan nurses or any of the 50 returning DWB people.
What she is doing is educating people on the real danger -- and that danger is NOT an asymptomatic nurse.
flamingdem
(39,312 posts)I love it!!!!
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(44,573 posts)Last edited Sun May 24, 2015, 12:15 PM - Edit history (1)
I was so impressed, I added it to that day's "professional" political cartoon thread!
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