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1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 11:14 AM Oct 2014

Re: The Mid-term Polling; or, rather ...

the REPORTING ON the Mid-term Polling.

I caught a segment of Morning Joe this morning (in between making the coffee and watching my dogs on their morning romp from the patio) and I noticed two somethings: First, the inconsistent use of populations ... in one graphic, the crew was talking up a 13 point "battleground" republican advantage among "VERY LIKELY VOTER"; whereas, most/all of the other races were reported as "LIKELY VOTERS", and these races were all within the MoE.

That brings me to my second something ... I have been pondering the inaccuracy of polling since 2008, and have concluded that the polling organizations merely (use historical voting patterns) and build their prediction on a guessimation of turn-out. The polling groups, in each year, were very close on white turn-out, not close on youth turn-out, and flat out wrong on Black turn-out. While I haven't run the numbers, my guess is these flawed turn-out models account for most of the inaccuracy.

Which brings me to my larger something point ... there is no way to predict a race using merely "LIKELY VOTERS", much less, VERY LIKELY VOTERS", because there is no way to do anything but guess as to how many "LIKELY VOTERS" will actually go out and vote; nor, is there anyway to predict how many "LESS THAN LIKELY VOTERS", will come out to vote.

We (and polling outfits) should understand, GOTV efforts really do work, as evidenced by the "surprises"; and ... PREDICTIONS BASED ON POLLING IS JUST B.S. COMMENTARY.

So, I am predicting (or more accurately, hoping like hell, i.e., MY B.S. commentary) that the MS, NC, GA and VA turn-out pattern will hold, and Democrats will hold the Senate and pick up a few (but no where near enough) seats in the House, with a few surprising pick-ups in Democratic Governorship. And it appears that the gop, suspects this is true, as well, thus explaining the active vote/voter suppression efforts.

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Re: The Mid-term Polling; or, rather ... (Original Post) 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 OP
Even though Jamaal510 Oct 2014 #1
there has been a major change in politics and voting behavior, but we do know some things. unblock Oct 2014 #2

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
1. Even though
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 11:23 AM
Oct 2014

it's been boring for me to have my cable temporarily cut off, it can drive a person nuts to see the polling all the time on the news. Whether you like the polling results or not, the only numbers that matter are on election night.

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(52,163 posts)
2. there has been a major change in politics and voting behavior, but we do know some things.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 11:44 AM
Oct 2014

campaigning and debating and advertising were, for a while, designed largely if not exclusively to influence voting preferences (well, and to raise money of course). turnout was relegated to a quite ground operation in the last week or so of the campaign. it was known to be something any decent campaign had to do, but it was never seen as a deciding factor.

in that environment, polling with a question that amounts to, "if voting were as easy as just answering the question right here, right now, who would you vote for?" made sense.


as polarization took root, political operations found out that fewer and fewer minds were actually being changed. enough were to keep the polls moving about, but eventually they realized that turnout was starting to make more of a difference, and was easier and cheaper to affect, than actually changing voters' minds (and hoping that they turned out).

so campaigns and debates and advertising became focused on turnout from early on -- negative, slogan-based, appealing to fear, loyalty, and identity and based on often trivial or fabricated red-meat-for-the-base "issues" rather than anything that resembled actual debate on actual issues.

in this newer environment, turn out matters more, and asking who you would vote for doesn't shed much light on that key question.


however, you can ask if they've already registered, if they've missed and elections in the past, and when it gets close to election day you can start to guess the weather (which is well known to affect turnout).

and of course we know the republicans are well aware of many tricks to further discourage or prevent people from voting, such as removing names from voter rolls, voter id (poll taxes), voter challenges, voting machine fraud, shorter voting hours, fewer voting locations, fewer voting machines, etc.

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