2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumChris Matthews actually made sense about the immigration action
http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/matthews-on-immigration--is-this-the-best-we-can-do--361033283980In his commentary yesterday he said that the executive action will not solve immigration law and will not help future illegal immigrants.
The way to do this, he said, is as was done with civil rights - by a law passed by congress and signed by the president.
ebbie15644
(1,214 posts)Republicans are amping up the "outrage meter" so they can use this as an excuse not to do anything when doing nothing is not an option.
Blue Idaho
(5,038 posts)Boner's House has refused to even allow that bill to come to come to a vote. We know where the problem lies - and who is stopping action. Sadly voter apathy is feeding the congressional dysfunction.
When raw political posturing trumps governance - it's is the President's responsibility to act.
CityDem
(1,103 posts)This is a dangerous position within the current framework that requires congress to pass legislation and the president to sign.
During the Bush presidency the senate did not act on approving several of his judicial nominees -- they were filibustered. Basically the House is taking the same non action by failing to vote on immigration reform. Based on your opinion, Bush should have taken action and placed these judges on the court. Take is a step further -- a repub president want to change tax law or marriage equality but cannot get congressional approval. Do we want this president acting unilaterally without congressional approval? We may not like the fact that the House has not taken up immigration reform, but their inaction is a vote for basically leaving the current laws in place.
BeyondGeography
(39,347 posts)The "current framework" has been torched. The House has been hijacked by a well-funded fringe element, empowered (or imprisoned) by gerrymandering and Citizens United. It's a dangerous world all around when issues that enjoy popular support and are passed on a bipartisan basis in one chamber are held hostage by corrupt anti-government stooges in another. As long as you're going to talk about danger, give us the whole picture.
Blue Idaho
(5,038 posts)This and all Presidents have a well documented but narrow right to act via Executive Order when faced with inaction from Congress. I expect this President to act within his legal authority - nothing more and nothing less. I expect all Presidents to do exactly the same.
Congress can easily contradict executive actions by passing bills into law. I know we don't really do that in this country anymore. But that - as you stated - is the process of governance. If the Teapublicans want a voice in immigration reform all they have to do is act. Pass a bill into law and get the President to sign it - or get enough votes to override his veto.
But until the Teapublicans learn how to govern, President Obama has every right to act on prosecutorial discretion via Executive Order. His actions on immigration reform are really no different from past actions by President Regan and President Bush.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,347 posts)Chris keeps thinking we're just a magical Gipper and Tipper moment away from salvation. Not happening.
question everything
(47,435 posts)What he does not realize is that in these days of 24-hour "news" cycle, with everyone snapping photos and videos and records comments even in a confidential meeting, it is impossible to reach any compromise.
Cosmocat
(14,559 posts)The clown show ain't doing its end, so POTUS has to do what he can ...
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)The fact is that these people are NOT "illegal", they're undocumented.
Give them their documents and they won't be exploited either. This applies towards those that are only here as seasonal farm labor. Stop going on and on about "citizenship" as many are only interested in working to send money home to their families.
thevoiceofreason
(3,440 posts)But like the actions of other presidents before him, a bold, legal executive order from President Obama will go a long way toward making millions of lives better.
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)question everything
(47,435 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)to do this because the ReThugs have deliberately decided NOT to do their job.
I wish people would stop questioning the intelligence of this man in the White House. Everyone always think they know better than him. We have a brilliant president. Time to give him credit. He knows what he's doing and certainly doesn't need someone like Tweety who's almost always wrong about shit, acting like he's providing some insightful information. He's not!