You have to give the HRC supporters their due..

[Peacetrain]

They have been boots on the ground everywhere.. not waiting for an announcement, but getting out in the community.

Now I bumped heads with many a HRC supporter in 2008 because I was an Obama supporter..

That sort of goes with the territory in the primaries..you root for your candidate.

Of course afterwards there were a small group who could not get over it.. and basically became Republican supporters.. a small group, but none the less that is what happens when you let go of "reason"

But her true supporters, who really believe in her.. kept the fire burning, and have been out in force for months.

I personally did not think she was going to run, and only came to the possibility when Chelsea left her news position to work in the Clinton group.

Chelsea is her Moms right hand woman.

Soooo.. the point of this little op, is ... if you have someone you think is a good candidate.. get out and volunteer for them.. start talking them up in the community.. Look to the HRC group as a model.. or even the Obama group.. you have to stand up for your candidate.. and work for them. Write them or call their office and volunteer to work in your own community if they will run.

No one is inevitable (trust me on this.. as an Obama supporter, we went up against that wall with HRC and Edwards even Biden).. the reason that a candidate succeeds is not only their own positions, but those of their volunteers willing to get their message out.

One other thing.. it takes money, and any candidate that you support will not only have to garner money from his supporters on the ground..but also from corporates.. its just a fact of life.. So don't throw your own people under the bus on that one..

Good luck out there..

[cascadiance]

1. Effective politicians get out in front of moving crowds to lead them...

... they don't by hand put together the crowds themselves. Grass roots movements have always worked like this, even if the politicians are some of the greatest geniuses with the greatest ideas for the causes they want to lead for change on. That is what democracy is all about and what makes it different from dictatorships.

[VanillaRhapsody]

3. Effective you say? THIS is what "effective" looks like:

Ohio: Christie vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 46, Christie 39 Clinton +7
Ohio: Paul vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Paul 40 Clinton +9
Ohio: Bush vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 48, Bush 38 Clinton +10
Ohio: Perry vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Perry 39 Clinton +10
Ohio: Kasich vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 47, Kasich 43 Clinton +4

[Man from Pickens]

4. That's what name recognition looks like

Even up the name recognition and Clinton loses those matchups, except to Bush who has it already.

[VanillaRhapsody]

5. thats what BEATS all comers look like

when you have one that can do that....let us know! Looks like you have your work cut out for ya....better get busy!

If you think Dems do not know who Sanders and Warren are....you are sadly mistaken. She polls 64% among those...the ONLY one out of single digits and only barely. Joe Biden

notice the poll was FOX News by the way? Of course you didn't!

[Logical]

15. once again, do you remember her lead over Obama???? Nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

16. so you think everything always happens the same? Is that what you are saying?

You can't seriously believe that someone who once ran for office and didn't make it...never makes it on another try? You don't seriously believe that do you?

Do you also believe in magic and Santa Claus too?

[Logical]

17. I do believe that you are in a dream world. That will soon come crashing down. And.....

I look forward to it.

[VanillaRhapsody]

18. I believe......

that you are dreaming that this http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

wasn't true....

Oh and I am the one that says I am pledged that I WILL vote for whomever wins the Democratic primary....so there IS no world to come crashing down for me unless that candidate doesn't win in 2016....

now YOU on the other hand.....has something to lose!

[Logical]

19. I would love to see Warren destroy Hillary. It would be embarrassing for Hillary. nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

20. good luck....and if you get your wish...I still vote for her...because I AM a Democrat!

what's your excuse?


but right now....I am in support of the candidate with the STATS to kick the Republicans ASS!....that is MY objective....because I want to win! I don't want to find out what 3 branches of Republicans are like.....so my goal is to achieve THAT at the very least....SOOOOOO I strongly support the candidate with the highest STATS in that department.

[Logical]

21. Now you're just making up shit again. I have said multiple times....

I will vote for the Democratic candidate and you know it. You even specifically asked me that question and I told you I would. But if you want to whine some more that's fine.

[VanillaRhapsody]

22. right...unless its Hillary Clinton!

[Logical]

23. Another lie from you, great. I'm sure you have a link! Post it! Nt

[GeorgeGist]

2. Chelsea is her Moms right hand woman ...

and Charlotte's mom.

[blkmusclmachine]

6. Hillary will run to Obama's right. And lose.

[musicblind]

7. I support Hillary for President.

I also supported her in 2008, but loved Obama. I still think Obama is one of the best Presidents we ever had. However, I've been afraid to articulate much of my support for Hillary on here because of the way her supporters get bashed. :/

[BlueMTexpat]

8. Too true, unfortunately. eom

[CTyankee]

9. I decided I would support Warren or Sanders in the primaries if they run and Hillary in the

general if she runs and gets the nomination. I simply cannot NOT vote, given how high the stakes are. If a republican gets in office you can say goodbye to anything good in this country. Women will be especially affected. I cannot let that happen, as a grandmother of 3 girls.

It's a simple as that, folks.

[brooklynite]

10. I see...you want Sanders and Warren supporters to do some hard work

Wouldn't it be easier to write another blog post complaining that DLC/Third Way/TPTB are somehow preventing "us" from having a choice?

[Peacetrain]

11. Nothing or no one prevents you from having a choice..

You are letting that perception get in your way.. If you do not get out and do the work.. set up a positive place fro your candidate to announce and people to respond... it goes nowhere.. no one person can pull all that load..

Trust me, I have been there.. President Obama is no accident.. he is there because of the support of people who believed in him, and were willing to get out and talk him up..

Getting a good candidate elected is a group happening that is for sure..

The only talk going on now is about Hillary for one reason.. Her supporters are out there.. they are here in Iowa.. talking to people.. and I am not talking big wigs.. I am talking people who are next door neighbors..

[PAProgressive28]

12. To be fair some of us Bernie supporters have been trying to get going for a while

And Bernie himself has been all over the damn country not just promoting himself but trying to help the Democrats. The guy deserves a tremendous amount of credit whether he runs or not.

[Peacetrain]

13. That is the best thing going

If you have any inkling that your candidate of choice might consider running writing them or calling their office and getting your name on their volunteer list..I got an invite to hear him speak in Altoona Ia.. (that is next to Des Moines) on the 16th of December.. I would like to go..but it is a fund raiser for the progressives in Iowa..and I cannot afford the tickets right now so close to the holidays.. So those in Iowa who are interested in his candidacy will need to start stoking those fires..just like Hillarys group has done..

[Arthur_Frain]

14. No more Clintons, no more Bushes.

No more of the same.

[brooklynite]

24. No more Kennedy's, Udalls, Castros...

Or does this rule only apply to people you don't like?

[aspirant]

25. A RULE

Does the ruling party only rule for the rulers or do the ruled have a say

[TheKentuckian]

26. Sure, no dry drunk, drug worrier Kennedys and who gives a shit about Udalls and Castros?

But yeah, if you don't like folks then it certainly needs to apply more.