A very good site on Public Debt and Job Creation by president 4 use against RW Bullshit

[Bill USA]

here are a couple of excellent treatments of the Public Debt, by President, and Job Creation, by President. These articles are concise and to the point. They can be used to beat RWers over the head with. There are even links to Excel Spreadsheets (also concise not too elaborate) which show data and calculations. These can be downloaded and saved for any additional calculations or notes you would like to add.

As I said: good stuff for beating Rwers over the head with!!


National Debt Graph by President

Oct 24, 2014. When did the National Debt go crazy? Why? Who’s to blame? Where is the debt headed? Compared to the US economy, the national debt is smaller than it was after World War II. But, take a look at what could have happened if three presidents had balanced their budgets. [Email the Fact Card]

The National Debt: Voodoo from Wall Street

Oct 24, 2014. What if Reagan and the Bushes had balanced their budgets? How much lower would the debt be now? We’ll get to that shortly, but first, how did we get into this mess? This may just be the weirdest political tale you’ve every heard.

World War II cost a bundle, and the country started out in the Great Depression. It was flat broke. But Uncle Sam was popular and the country patriotic, and people were happy to lend him money. Compared to the size of the economy back then, the debt soon outstripped even today’s debt, and we won the war.

US-national-debt-GDP



The data for actual Debt-as-%-of-GDP for 1940-2006 comes from George W. Bush’s OMB Historical Table 7.1 for FY 2008 — download. (spreadsheet) (Why graph Debt / GDP ?)
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Who are the Job Creators

Nov 2, 2014. For the last 85 years, since 1929, every time the Democrats took over the presidency, jobs were created faster. And every time the Republicans took over, jobs were created slower. Nine times in a row is no accident. And the difference is huge. Why is that? Let a conservative economist explain. [EMail the Fact Card]

The pattern started with a huge increase in job creation under Franklin Roosevelt after then losses under Herbert Hoover. Then as the graph shows, the Republicans continued to lose the jobs race with every transition. That’s nine times in a row. That chance that you and I will take turns flipping a coin ten times, and I always get tails and you always get heads is 1 in 1,000. But it could happen. The Republicans could have had bad luck for 85 years running. But would you bet on a horse with that track record?

Jobs-Rep-Dem-percent


But there’s an even better reason to believe in this graph. We know why the Republicans should lose this race. Three types of policies are required to fight a recession and Republicans oppose the first two while the Democrats favor them. (Neither party does much about the third policy.) According to conservative economist Peter Morici (video, July 2009), these three policies are:

1.“We absolutely had to have a stimulus package.”
2.“turning the banks around”
3.“dealing with the trade deficit.”
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The menu of topics shows: Fact Cards; The Debt; Economy; Social; Carbon; Politics; War. at each menu choice there are several articles. I have not read them all but what I have read are concise and to the point (a much loved quality by DUers).

[drray23]

1. very good site

Unfortunately i have found that right wingers are rarely swayed by facts. The first thing they will do is question the veracity of the statistics. We saw that with the job numbers. Never mind the fact these were compiled the same way over decades. If you get past this hurdle they will try the standard rw arguments and when you demolish that as well they will either clam up or get abusive.

[Bill USA]

2. you are right on target re RWers reaction to facts. My feeling is its still worth doing & when they

either deny facts or question the source.. I say they are not proponents of an ideology but of a religion. IF they want to assert their 'inspiration' or whatever over-rule reasoned analysis of pertinent data then they are preaching a religion. .. and then just beat over the head with that. You likely won't get the RWer to admit your right.. BUT... there will be others reading the comments and some will see how much the Conservative so-called ideology is just denial of reality.

[Bill USA]

3. this info is useful in criticizing M$M as they constantly echo GOP propaganda. THe info on the site

provides good basis for criticizing these toadies and I do think if more people do that .. and keep it up, it can start to have an affect.

example: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016108640

the media toadies do google their names to see public reactions to what they say.

[Bortman33]

4. The question for my facebook has been asked and answered.

Any CONservatives out there that would like to try and "reason" their way out of these historical statistics?

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