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2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumConservatives Grudgingly Praise Warren, Pelosi For Opposing 'Wall Street Giveaway'
Some conservatives have acknowledged that they have ideologically more in common than they would like to admit with Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) after the progressive senator led the charge against a provision in the $1.1 trillion government funding bill that weakens regulations on financial institutions.
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Some bloggers even said they could envision themselves voting for Warren were she to run for president in 2016 -- a possibility she has repeatedly denied.
"I hope that Sen. Warren will run for president in 2016 to force a national conversation on the Washington-Wall Street power nexus," The American Conservative's Rod Dreher wrote. "Hillary Clinton wont talk about it. You know that no Republican presidential candidate will talk about it (with the possible -- possible -- exception of Rand Paul). We all need to be talking about it. A populist who talks like Elizabeth Warren and really means it is a Democrat a conservative like me would consider voting for, despite her social liberalism."
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Some bloggers even said they could envision themselves voting for Warren were she to run for president in 2016 -- a possibility she has repeatedly denied.
"I hope that Sen. Warren will run for president in 2016 to force a national conversation on the Washington-Wall Street power nexus," The American Conservative's Rod Dreher wrote. "Hillary Clinton wont talk about it. You know that no Republican presidential candidate will talk about it (with the possible -- possible -- exception of Rand Paul). We all need to be talking about it. A populist who talks like Elizabeth Warren and really means it is a Democrat a conservative like me would consider voting for, despite her social liberalism."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/16/elizabeth-warren-conservatives-_n_6334528.html?1418764894
I'm not sure what to make of this. But this could be the second time in recent memory that progressives and some conservatives might form an alliance. The last time was when opposition to information about the NSA leaked by Edward Snowden cut across ideological lines.
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Conservatives Grudgingly Praise Warren, Pelosi For Opposing 'Wall Street Giveaway' (Original Post)
totodeinhere
Dec 2014
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Warren's positions appeal to a broad spectrum across party lines, in addition to re-invigorating the
Faryn Balyncd
Dec 2014
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MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)1. This is why Warren should be our nominee
More than anything she's a decent American with big brains, a big heart, poetry, and a great right uppercut. She'll pull in Republicans and Democrats.
Z_California
(650 posts)2. At some point smart people both red and blue
will stop the daily talking point wars and realize that our pockets are being picked by both sides.
Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)3. Warren's positions appeal to a broad spectrum across party lines, in addition to re-invigorating the
Democratic base.
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)4. There are really three parties
The Liberals, the Conservatives, and the Corporate War Party. No surprise that the former two would get together after the constant abuse both have gotten from the third year after year.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)5. so we are going to get the Tea Party vote?
that's the way the media wants to portray it.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)6. We have a better chance of getting some of it with Warren than with Clinton.
That's the way I understand it.
I agree.
Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)7. Dreher is not a stereotypical Tea Party fellow. Here some of his posts:
"Yes, the Staten Island grand jury saw and heard a lot more evidence about the police killing of Eric Garner than any of us did. Maybe their decision not to indict was justified. Maybe. But based on the video of the incident, I cant imagine how. It was brutal, their takedown of Garner. That cop killed helped to kill Eric Garner with that chokehold, which is forbidden by the NYPD. Then his colleagues dogpiled Garner, even after he said he couldnt breathe. How can a grand jury not even see this as worthy of a trial? ...."
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/eric-garner-police-brutality/
"Watch the video. Again, there is no audio, but how on earth can anybody order someone to raise his hands three times in two seconds? Thats how long it took from the time the police car stopped until Rice was lying on the ground, mortally wounded.....What you see is not always what you get, so we need to wait for the investigation. But this looks very, very bad for the Cleveland police. From the look of things on this video, that kid barely had time to react to the sudden appearance of a police car before he was on the ground with one or more bullets inside of him...."
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/two-seconds-tamir-rice/comment-page-2/
Some of the other folks who write at The American Conservative also write some pretty non-stereotypical stuff for a "right wing" publication (A significant number of their writers, including founding editor Scott McConnell supported Obama in 2008 and 2012):
"Torture is absolutely wrong and absolutely useless, and demonstrating the truth of both statements will make clear how completely bankrupt its defenders arguments really are. Proving that torture achieves nothing except the cruel degradation of human beings takes away the only argument its defenders have left. It would obviously be better if no one were willing to offer a defense for something as abhorrent as torture, but we know very well that quite a few people are prepared to do that so long as they can dress up what theyre defending in euphemisms and false claims about its efficacy. The point of insisting on tortures uselessness is to strip away the remaining falsehoods that its defenders use to conceal the ugly reality of what they are defending....."
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/torture-is-wrong-and-useless/