2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumGOP Steadfast On Passing Iran Bill Despite Obama's Plea To Stand Down
"If Congress kills this deal not based on expert analysis and without offering any reasonable alternative, then it's the United States that will be blamed for the failure of diplomacy," Obama said. "International unity will collapse, and the path to conflict will widen."
Congress, at least initially, didn't appear ready to heed that warning.
Within minutes of the president's address, Senate Republicans said they would continue to push a bill that prevents any final deal from taking effect for 60 days, giving Congress time to vote for or against it -- or do nothing.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/02/gop-iran-bill_n_6996464.html
The GOP desperately wants a war at all cost.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)ChiefJusticeIV
(27 posts)They are a goddamn cancer. Obama is right of course. Republicans will forever be a stain not just in this country but in the entire world. Would they honestly dare to kill a deal that the UK, Germany, Russia, China, France and the EU have all worked hard for? Why would our great allies ever trust us again in international negotiations?
They talk tough but in truth I don't think they have the balls to go that far.
marym625
(17,997 posts)We need an accurate portrayal of what will happen if they block this.
How it will deteriorate our relationship with the other nations involved
How it will look to the middle east allies
How ISIS and Al Qaeda might react.
What can then happen with Iran
Etc etc
Bring up the 47 and how embarrassing the letter was, the errors in our laws, sent to wrong people, etc.
We then have to play it up on how this will affect Christians. Make it about religion.
Then we have to convince the right wing religious fanatics this is bad for god. I don't mean to lie, just play it to their base in a way they will understand
In the mean time, flood Republican congress with emails and phone calls.
Best I can think of. But it's late and I am tired
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Rethugs are the part of War,plain,simple and to hell with what the public wants. This type of garbage could have a devastating economic issues for the USA. Don't think for one minute these other 5 countries are going to set back not be proactive here.
C_U_L8R
(44,986 posts)Should be required reading for these GOP clowns
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/getting-the-presidents-signature-on-a-congressiona.html
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Sung to the tune of "Love is in the air".
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Chris Coons and Cardin are pretty much the same as Ted Cruz when it comes to Iran and Israel/Palestine.
Republicans can only kill this if some Democrats also opt for war.
karynnj
(59,498 posts)before following Netanyahu in screaming that it is bad.
I hope that the Obama administration, in addition to using their own people, enlists any Republican elders who can speak in favor of this - if they exist. It would be great to have people like Lugar or Baker also speaking in favor. Not to mention, I hope they REALLY REALLY use the Secretary of Energy, a nuclear physicist, to make the case.
For those arguing in less partisan places, this is a good article showing that Netanyahu completely misstated and misunderstood nuclear physics when he spoke to the UN.
In September 2012, Benjamin Netanyahu stood before the United Nations General Assembly holding a cartoonish drawing of a makeshift bomb, which came to be known as the Wile E. Coyote poster. The gimmick grabbed front page headlines around the world, but as the New York Times reported the next day, Netanyahus attention-grabbing performance seems to have created confusion in, of all places, Israel.
According to the report, the percentages on Netanyahus drawing were supposed to indicate the quantity of sufficiently enriched uranium that Iran was amassing on its way to making a nuclear bomb, but several Israeli analysts misinterpreted it to mean the actual degree of uranium enrichment that Iran had attained. They lambasted Netanyahu for things he never meant to say.
A few short weeks later, however, Israeli officials involved in the nuclear talks came to the conclusion that Netanyahu himself may not have fully comprehended the import of what he was saying. In short time, they started tearing their own hair out.
In what many Israelis and American Jews viewed at the time as a masterful slam-dunk performance on the UN stage, Netanyahu proposed that the international community draw a red line before Iran completes the second stage of nuclear enrichment necessary to make a bomb, I.E. before Tehran accumulated enough 20% uranium to produce the far smaller amounts of 90% enriched uranium needed for a bomb. Whatever his intentions were, what Netanyahu achieved, in effect, was to give Tehran a blank check to expand, solidify and upgrade the infrastructure needed to produce a nuclear bomb including the addition of thousands of new centrifuges - which is exactly what they proceeded to do.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.649690
This is very telling. He is the Prime Minister of a country with a very strong Scientific community. This means one of two things - neither positive:
1) He wrote this - to present to the UN - and didn't bother to have anyone qualified review it. No one expects a politician to be an expert on a technical issue. I do expect them to work with the experts to avoid saying things that are just wrong.
2) He DID consult with scientists - and decided the optics of this were more important than the truth.
Either way, this should diminish the man that the right is following on this.
Not to mention, there were the entire torrent of things he said before the election -- only to act surprised that anyone (including Obama) took his comments as serious. What is clear is that he lies often and easily. He clearly considers that his ends justify any means -- and that means NOTHING he says should be taken without verification.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)You're dead!