2016 Postmortem
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On his HBO program last night, John Oliver devoted 30 minutes to a discussion of U.S. surveillance programs, advocating a much more substantive debate as the June 1 deadline for renewing the Patriot Act approaches (the full segment can be seen here). As part of that segment, Oliver broadcast an interview he conducted with Edward Snowden in Moscow, and to illustrate the point that an insufficient surveillance debate has been conducted, showed video of numerous people in Times Square saying they had no idea who Snowden is (or giving inaccurate answers about him). Oliver assured Snowden off-camera that they did not cherry-pick those on the street interviews but showed a representative sample.
Olivers overall discussion is good (and, naturally, quite funny), but the specific point he wants to make here is misguided. Contrary to what Oliver says, its actually not surprising at all that a large number of Americans are unaware of who Snowden is, nor does it say much at all about the surveillance debate. Thats because a large number of Americans, by choice, are remarkably unaware of virtually all political matters. The befuddled reactions of the Times Square interviewees when asked about Snowden illustrate little about the specific surveillance issue but a great deal about the full-scale political disengagement of a substantial chunk of the American population.
The data on American political apathy is rather consistent, and stunning. Begin with the fact that even in presidential election years, 40 to 50 percent of the voting-age public simply chooses not participate in the voting process at all, while two-thirds chooses not to vote in midterm elections.
Even more striking is what they do and do not know. An Annenberg Public Policy Center poll from last September found that only 36 percent of Americans can name the three branches of government, and only 38 percent know the GOP controls the House. The Centers 2011 poll found just 15 percent of Americans could correctly identify the chief justice of the United States, John Roberts, while 27 percent knew Randy Jackson was a judge on American Idol.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/04/06/john-oliver-interview-political-disengagement-american-public/
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)That clip of Andrea Mitchell interrupting an interview on Section 215 to report the "breaking news" that Justin Bieber had been arrested epitomizes the symbiotic relationship between media and the public right there: the snooze media panders to what a majority of the public wants.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)1 people become misinformed or mislead by propaganda
2 people demand masochistic domestic policies from their government
3 people become impoverished
4 brains shrink, critical thinking diminishes
repeat
riverbendviewgal
(4,252 posts)I find it more difficult to meet and converse with Americans who are aware of world or national events. So many know very little. FOX News is on a lit of public places.
It is astounding how many people I have met who are birthers. These people are very well off and l u ve in gated communities.
it is scary.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)The GOP purposely conducts the type of campaigns that creates apathy. And the Democratic leaders go along. Negative politics, discussing unimportant issues, encouraging mean spirited debate, ignoring the demands of the majority of voters and encouraging Racism, sexism and intolerance all lead to voter apathy.
A voter may tune in but when they hear all the BS they immediately tune out again. Add to this the lack of attention to real problems and a voting machine system designed to be rigged and you got a perfect storm for avoiding all things political.
Besides capitalism always works best whem the masses are left in the dark.
BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)educated internationals seem to know a lot more about US politics than the "average" US citizen. I noticed a response earlier in this thread describing the experience of a Canadian visitor that illustrates this.
Currently, I teach at a small private university in Switzerland. My students there all know more about the US political system than some of my own US citizen grandchildren do, even when they attend "good" schools, which is something that I try very hard to compensate for. I remember when the teaching of civics used to be part of the elementary school program, as was basic geography and even basic history (both world and US). I also remember the 1970s, when administrators arguing for curriculum that should be "relevant" (not exactly sure to what), began throwing a lot of these basics out, instead of enriching the areas with relevant and informative topics.
Too many of those who control the curricula of US public education have deliberately dumbed things down - replacing basic subjects with the fad du jour. Those who control the media have continued the job so that too many of us have become unquestioning and docile servants of TPTB. We are now seeing the cumulative effects of all those - and other - decisions.
We have not been served well. At all. That is - devastatingly - one of the most striking things about the John Oliver piece.
hack89
(39,171 posts)and we are all educated professionals who are pretty aware of current events. We are not apathetic but rather focus on economic, education and local issues that more directly impact our lives.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)Snowden is more known - Assange less so because he has faded into relative obscurity.
PatrickforO
(14,570 posts)due to the corporate owned media, and corporate propaganda. I know people who can tell you all about the love life of the latest celebrity, or who the contestants are on American Idol but nothing about what is actually going on. I recently taught a class and one student wasn't even aware of what was going on in Ferguson. To her credit when she found out she began looking a bit more deeply into current events, but still...
tblue
(16,350 posts)Good point. Americans are misinformed because they don't care and they don't care because they're misinformed.
We don't care. We don't have to.