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PosterChild

(1,307 posts)
Sun May 3, 2015, 09:36 AM May 2015

“Are you a Democrat?” “No,” Sanders replied


On Thursday, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont became the first candidate formally to challenge Clinton. But after a 10-minute appearance outside the Capitol detailing his intentions, Sanders revealed a rather glaring weakness in his pursuit of the Democratic nomination: He isn’t planning to register as a Democrat.

He neglected to mention this during his speech and news conference, in which he vowed to take on “the billionaire class.” But Lynn Sweet of the Chicago Sun-Times called after the wild-haired socialist as he walked back to the Capitol.

“Are you a Democrat?”

“No,” Sanders replied, “I’m an independent.”

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“Are you a Democrat?” “No,” Sanders replied (Original Post) PosterChild May 2015 OP
But, in all fairness, he is running as a Democrat and will not be a spoiler. leftofcool May 2015 #1
This is true. The tent has been enlarged many times. He's being honest. He has campaigned against freshwest May 2015 #81
That's not what he told Wolf Blitzer, quite. MADem May 2015 #88
Ugh, Liebermann. He makes my skin crawl. But Sanders says he'll support HRC if she wins the primary. freshwest May 2015 #89
To be exact, he is running... PosterChild May 2015 #2
Should labels matter more than whats right and wrong? darkangel218 May 2015 #3
+1 rbnyc May 2015 #16
Labels certainly do matter... PosterChild May 2015 #23
No they dont. Policies matter. Flip flopping or staying true to your cause matters. darkangel218 May 2015 #25
You are right, all of those things matter... PosterChild May 2015 #48
It doesn't. Adsos Letter May 2015 #66
For the purpose of Primary Eligibility ... ABSOLUTELY. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #26
WRONG! darkangel218 May 2015 #27
In the real world ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #37
This is simple, you tell me because I dont know, can he be on the DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY ballot NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #51
In Kentucky, he has to sign a paper saying he is a Democrat. leftofcool May 2015 #57
I don't know for certain about any state other than Arizona ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #58
So in AZ he has to register as Dem. If he doesnt, then nothing makes sense to me NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #60
Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #69
That goes clearly against what he said here: freshwest May 2015 #83
Actually, it is not inconsistent ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #86
Does AZ have a way around that by a candidate's pledge in writing? leftofcool May 2015 #67
Not that I know of. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #71
I don't think Bernie supporters care. leftofcool May 2015 #4
So what 4dsc May 2015 #5
The concern is... PosterChild May 2015 #7
to what extent he can be considered a serrious candidate who is in it to win and deserves the time a darkangel218 May 2015 #9
I think you are mistaken to believe that.. PosterChild May 2015 #11
"a picayune, puritanical integrity "? darkangel218 May 2015 #15
A response isn't necessary, however I invite you... PosterChild May 2015 #19
please... rbnyc May 2015 #17
The pursuit of justice is... PosterChild May 2015 #24
OK rbnyc May 2015 #31
A team isn't a uniform . .. PosterChild May 2015 #50
Do you think... rbnyc May 2015 #80
+1 rbnyc May 2015 #14
Like Texas, Vermont does not have a provision for party registration. TexasProgresive May 2015 #6
When the reporter asked if he is a Democrat, he could have said yes. nt PosterChild May 2015 #8
When he files his consent form, after turning in his petition signatures (which will also MADem May 2015 #92
That's my understanding TexasProgresive May 2015 #93
In 1992 Bernie co-founded the Congressional Progressive Caucus. In 1992, Webb, Chaffee and sadly Bluenorthwest May 2015 #10
However ludicrous it may be... PosterChild May 2015 #12
Perhaps it's because he's not a liar, dgibby May 2015 #28
I don't want him to lie... PosterChild May 2015 #65
He's a Democratic Socialist...and will abide by the Dem Parties rules and regulation in his KoKo May 2015 #49
I didn't get that Bernie's credentials are, at all, in question ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #34
Some people here think that doesn't matter.... Historic NY May 2015 #13
Vermont doesn't allow party registration. nt tblue37 May 2015 #18
Patrick Leahy (D, Vermont) has a big D after his name. nt. PosterChild May 2015 #21
Technically? left-of-center2012 May 2015 #20
Each state makes their own rules leftofcool May 2015 #59
Bernie covered this this morning left-of-center2012 May 2015 #63
There is no requirement notadmblnd May 2015 #62
Bernie said left-of-center2012 May 2015 #68
Well then- that means that he will register as a Democrat in states he's required to declare a party notadmblnd May 2015 #70
What's the problem? Tom Rinaldo May 2015 #22
Just to be clear... PosterChild May 2015 #33
so you quote the article verbatem notadmblnd May 2015 #29
No kidding! darkangel218 May 2015 #32
My agenda is to... PosterChild May 2015 #38
Well maybe this fact will suprise you too- published back in Feb 2015 notadmblnd May 2015 #43
Have you ever heard of ... PosterChild May 2015 #45
I did read the article you posted by that fucknut Dana Milbanks. The title of the article notadmblnd May 2015 #47
So I am not misunderstood . .. PosterChild May 2015 #72
DLC (Third Way) Party Politics Drives Many To Be Independents cantbeserious May 2015 #30
Bernie not only founded the House Progressive Caucus, he caucuses with it to this day. He si the merrily May 2015 #35
As a matter of faact, I don't object... PosterChild May 2015 #44
How many times does this strawman have to be debunked? nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #36
Strawman? n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #39
Since this straw man is now.... PosterChild May 2015 #40
He was being technically accurate. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #41
Good grief, if he can't ... PosterChild May 2015 #46
Wait, strawman? sigh, you see my question as a BERNIE SUPPORTER is can he run ON the Dem NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #56
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/10/politics/bernie-sanders-democrat-or-independent/ notadmblnd May 2015 #74
Patrick Leahy (D, Vermont) has a big D after his name.... PosterChild May 2015 #76
to use your words: notadmblnd May 2015 #78
This could be an interesting political/campaign strategy ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #42
I don't care whether he is an Independent or a Democrat CountAllVotes May 2015 #54
The extent of my concern is limited to ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #73
+1 CountAllVotes May 2015 #84
Post removed Post removed May 2015 #52
Libertarians ran in, won, and began to control the Republican Party DebJ May 2015 #53
"Wild-haired socialist"??? emulatorloo May 2015 #55
wait till you see... PosterChild May 2015 #79
Seriously? You think most people are that shallow? notadmblnd May 2015 #82
"the wild-haired socialist..." CrispyQ May 2015 #61
I have to wonder about this since when you register to vote in Vermont you do not still_one May 2015 #64
Patrick Leahy (D, Vermont) has a big D after his name.... PosterChild May 2015 #75
Here are the rules still_one May 2015 #87
So what? He's not running on a separate party ticket like Ross Perot or Ralph Nader Cleita May 2015 #77
good-- Sander's exactly described my party affiliation.... mike_c May 2015 #85
He's a better Democrat than most Democrats. AtomicKitten May 2015 #90
All this bickering is nauseating. John Poet May 2015 #91
Good for Bernie. bigwillq May 2015 #94

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
81. This is true. The tent has been enlarged many times. He's being honest. He has campaigned against
Sun May 3, 2015, 01:17 PM
May 2015

Republicans in all the off year elections and casts his votes consistently with Democrats, also caucuses with them.

He has been welcomed to the party by the DNC's DWS and Hillary herself. He will take more of the Koch heat than anyone, although HRC is the recipient of their baleful eye right now.

The party needs to attract the true independent voters (not the faux ones too ashamed to admit they always vote GOP) and he was elected as an Independent and no doubt he is staying loyal to his voters with this.

But he is, in his own way, a true Democrat in what he values and supports. I don't have a problem with his honesty in this matter and hope rank and file Dems won't hold this against him.

The Democratic Party welcomes a number of people who are from lesser known parties to run, and even some that they didn't like. I appreciate his not trying to be something he's not.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
88. That's not what he told Wolf Blitzer, quite.
Sun May 3, 2015, 03:01 PM
May 2015

He's not necessarily running "as" a Democrat.

He's running under the umbrella of the party to which I and many here belong, while eschewing actual membership in the party.

The reason he is able to do this is because our rather generous and inclusive rules allow this.

Joe Lieberman did something similar, though the circumstances aren't quite the same. He LEFT the party, called himself a "Democratic Independent" or something like that, and caucused with the Democrats in order to get a committee assignment. He was a bit of a disloyal bastard, though. He played both sides against the middle on occasion until Reid gave him a wedgie.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
89. Ugh, Liebermann. He makes my skin crawl. But Sanders says he'll support HRC if she wins the primary.
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:38 AM
May 2015

I think our rules are broad and have been abused at times, most especially by the Larouchies. But the GOP was snagged by the KKK David Duke, and some red live Nazis in some states.

Other than the Larouchies, who we've had trouble with in my district, like Libertarians, who come into open house meetings to disrupt, I like out outliers far better than GOP outliers, wow.

And I don't really see Sanders as an outlier, as he's for government programs, regulations and laws that help the poor and middle class. He is stalwart on that front, and trusted well enough by Democrats to allow him to sit on committees to stymie GOP tricks.

He's realistic on foreign affairs, but I don't see the brilliance in him that I've seen in Obama. Hes' an old war horse, nothing wrong with that. HRC would do a fine job in all areas, and would work to lift up half the human race, as she's proven that many times.

Also more progressive than Bill or many other progressives for some years now, despite what the CT says from some of the right/ left. She is real thinker, but her presentation is so nuanced, a bit like Obama's, so too many don't understand where she's coming from on issues. She doesn't sell herself as a product.

Naturaly listening to a candidate in order to learn them, requires an open mind, which some do not have, clearly, after twenty years of RW propaganda on her. The old 'a lie repeaed enough becomes the truth' adage is never more clearly demonstrated than by the HRC detractors, ready to jump on Rush and Alex's bandwagon.

PosterChild

(1,307 posts)
2. To be exact, he is running...
Sun May 3, 2015, 09:43 AM
May 2015

... in the Democratic primary, not AS a Democrat. According to this report he DENIED being a Democrat.

Pretty puzzling and evasive IMHO.

PosterChild

(1,307 posts)
23. Labels certainly do matter...
Sun May 3, 2015, 10:58 AM
May 2015

...and they matter as a part of communicating and establishing trust, loyalty and a wider sense of what is right and wrong above and beyond any particular stance on a particular issue.

Trust and loyalty matter to the establishment of justice because justice is not an individistic, personal choice, as right and wrong sometimes are. Justice is a collective condition that requires collectives action today's bring about. Mutual loyalty and trust aren't necessary to collective action in pursuit of justice; labels and other declarations of alegence and fidelity are important to that.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
25. No they dont. Policies matter. Flip flopping or staying true to your cause matters.
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:02 AM
May 2015

Carrying for the working class and the marginalized, matters. Carrying for the environment matters. Carrying for peace, withouth votting for wars first and changing your mind later, matters.

Give it a thought.

PosterChild

(1,307 posts)
48. You are right, all of those things matter...
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:55 AM
May 2015

... and exactly how does saying you are a Democrat contradict any of them?

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
27. WRONG!
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:06 AM
May 2015

Truth and honesty trumps all the labeling in the world.
We vote for honest candidates, which represent us, the working and marginalized class.

Sorry you have a problem with that.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
37. In the real world ...
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:23 AM
May 2015

Try walking into a Democratic Party meeting, declare you have no intention to identify as a Democrat and announce that you plan to run for an office.

We would first laugh at you and then invite you to leave ... and it would matter how "truthful and honest" you are/were.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
51. This is simple, you tell me because I dont know, can he be on the DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY ballot
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:08 PM
May 2015

in any given state if he is not registered as a Dem?

If not, then he has to register, right?

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
57. In Kentucky, he has to sign a paper saying he is a Democrat.
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:11 PM
May 2015

At least that is my understanding. Ky recognizes only 2 parties for presidential elections. I am trying to clarify this with Alison Grimes' office but have not heard back yet.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
58. I don't know for certain about any state other than Arizona ...
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:11 PM
May 2015

For the primaries, a person's name will only appear on the ballot for the party that he/she is registered.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
69. Actually ...
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:29 PM
May 2015

(And I'm still trying to game this out in my head ... I have to go back a read/listen to Bernie's announcement)

I don't think Bernie's strategy is to enter the Democratic primaries ... rather, mount a very early 3rd-party campaign DURING the Democratic primaries.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
83. That goes clearly against what he said here:
Sun May 3, 2015, 01:27 PM
May 2015
Bernie Sanders: I will not be a spoiler who ends up helping to elect a right-wing Republican

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026451036

If he abuses the party and tries to be a spoiler, splits the vote, etc., that would not be honest and I do think he is impulsively honest even if people don't like what he says. If he does as you say, the hell with him.

It would be a disaster for most. In fact, might as well kiss the USA bye if the GOP gets Ted Cruz or Rand Paul in office. They've said and tried to dismantle the federal government completely. They want a default, for the dollar to go bust.

They are the face of what Bernie says he is against, Koch rule. So I am not thinking this is what he intends. HRC, we know is not going to be for drastic things, either, but plans to expand on what Obama has done.

JMHO.

Please note he has made the rounds of Democratic Party institutions. This explains that this is part of the party.



If he doesn't win the primary, he will still have brought up issues that must be talked about in this country. When you look at his agenda, which has been posted here, there are many fair minded Americans who simply do not feel it meets their needs and others who feel it does.

The important thing, is that the HRC supporters will get behind the nominee of the Democratic Party, just as she did Obama. I believe she is really stronger on womens' and gay rights, and other good things, than anyone but Obama. He has been a unique gift to the USA. We will not see his like again in our lifetimes and I began missing him as soon as he was re-elected.

Now there may be something that is extremely wrong with Sanders, but I don't think this is it. Listen carefully, and you can see that Sanders has supported Obama in many ways, in ways that would shame the ODSers. I'm not sure that Sanders or Clinton can win in 2016. We will lose for sure if this bickering at DU is any sign of the electorate. If it is, with the visceral CDS that some cannot restrain themselves from spewing, we will lose in 2016.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
86. Actually, it is not inconsistent ...
Sun May 3, 2015, 02:09 PM
May 2015

If he folds up his tent before the end of the Democratic primaries. He won't be a spoiler, if he is not in the running during the General Election.

And I doubt his outsider run will affect, much, the results among the candidates running within the Party.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
67. Does AZ have a way around that by a candidate's pledge in writing?
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:23 PM
May 2015

I am not sure Kentucky does, that is why I am waiting on a call from Grimes office.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
4. I don't think Bernie supporters care.
Sun May 3, 2015, 09:48 AM
May 2015

I agree that this is puzzling and evasive. Odd that his supporters hate the big bad DNC, yet it is the DNC who has welcomed an Independent to the Democratic Primary.

PosterChild

(1,307 posts)
7. The concern is...
Sun May 3, 2015, 10:02 AM
May 2015

..to what extent he can be considered a serrious candidate who is in it to win and deserves the time and energy needed to support his effort.

Here on DU there was a lot of concern expressed about whether he would acept being part of the Democratic Party and the presumption was that if he ran he would register as a Democrat.

It seems like a simple, straight forward and even necessary thing to me. The fact that he will not bodes ill for his campaign. I am skeptical about his claim to beach in it for the win.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
9. to what extent he can be considered a serrious candidate who is in it to win and deserves the time a
Sun May 3, 2015, 10:06 AM
May 2015

You dont think Bernie is" serious candidate"?? Bernie didn't flip flop on serious matters like others did. He has integrity, and that means everything, friend.

PosterChild

(1,307 posts)
11. I think you are mistaken to believe that..
Sun May 3, 2015, 10:26 AM
May 2015

... a picayune, puritanical integrity is indicative of a serious candidate who is in the race to win. If he is unable to consider himself a Democrat and can't come right out and say he is, what is he doing running in the Democratic primar?

I think his candidacy is off to a rather Quixotic start. Not a good sign.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
15. "a picayune, puritanical integrity "?
Sun May 3, 2015, 10:33 AM
May 2015

That doesn't even deserve a response from my part.
Have a nice day.

PosterChild

(1,307 posts)
19. A response isn't necessary, however I invite you...
Sun May 3, 2015, 10:41 AM
May 2015

... to consider what it actually means to be a "serrious candidate" and what being serrious about winning office and exercising power for the good of us all may require.

rbnyc

(17,045 posts)
17. please...
Sun May 3, 2015, 10:37 AM
May 2015

...can we have an issues-based primary?

The whole world is sick of us treating this like a team sport cycle after cycle.

rbnyc

(17,045 posts)
31. OK
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:11 AM
May 2015

Ok, in sports, what is more important, the uniform or the skill set?

A rose by any other name...

PosterChild

(1,307 posts)
50. A team isn't a uniform . ..
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:06 PM
May 2015

... a team is the ability to work together for a common goal and the ability to set aside some personal interests in the pursuit of that goal. That is a very important skill in the skill set.

In politics team work is an important asspect of the job - absolutly essential. So is communication to establish trust in others as part of the team. Thus party affiliation and loyalty are important, and communicating affiliaton and loyalty are important if you want to be considered a serrious candidate.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
6. Like Texas, Vermont does not have a provision for party registration.
Sun May 3, 2015, 09:55 AM
May 2015

So Mr. Sanders cannot register as a member of the Democratic party.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
92. When he files his consent form, after turning in his petition signatures (which will also
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:54 PM
May 2015

have his party "affiliation" identified on that form) he will tell the state how he wants his party affiliation to appear on the ballot. The state will print that information on the ballots that voters use.

The consent form's purpose is to tell the state that the candidate does, indeed, want to run, and how to spell the candidate's name, and how the candidate's party should be identified.

So, he won't be "registering" as a voter, but he will be "registering" his affiliation as a candidate, and that will be printed on the ballot.

The reason that Patrick Leahy is called a Democrat is because that's how he's listed himself on the VT ballot each time he runs for re-election.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
93. That's my understanding
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:45 PM
May 2015

I just get tired of certain people harping on and on about whether he has "registered" in the Democratic party.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
10. In 1992 Bernie co-founded the Congressional Progressive Caucus. In 1992, Webb, Chaffee and sadly
Sun May 3, 2015, 10:24 AM
May 2015

Warren were all full tilt Republicans, Webb a Reagan administration official no less. After months of being told that it is heresy to so much as ask Liz Warren why she was a Republican all through the GOP's malicious negligence toward AIDS while tens of thousands of Americans died, I find it ludicrous to see Bernie's credentials challenged.

PosterChild

(1,307 posts)
12. However ludicrous it may be...
Sun May 3, 2015, 10:31 AM
May 2015

...it will become a distraction and an impediment. Why can't he just say, "I'm a Democrat" and get it out of the way? My opinion is that if he is a serious candidate in the race to win he would do just that, no dancing around.

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
28. Perhaps it's because he's not a liar,
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:08 AM
May 2015

something I find quite refreshing. He's a Democratic Socialist, why would he lie about that? More to the point, why would you want him to?

PosterChild

(1,307 posts)
65. I don't want him to lie...
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:19 PM
May 2015

... I'm just not going to take him serriously nor expect much from his candidacy unless he is willing to publically declare himself to be a Democrat.

As far as lying goes, party affiliation is a declaritive act. Saying it makes it true.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
49. He's a Democratic Socialist...and will abide by the Dem Parties rules and regulation in his
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:05 PM
May 2015

Campaign as he stated to George Stephanopolis on ABC this morning.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
34. I didn't get that Bernie's credentials are, at all, in question ...
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:15 AM
May 2015

However, how will he run in the Democrat Primaries, while denying that he is a Democrat (i.e., not being a registered Democrat)?

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
13. Some people here think that doesn't matter....
Sun May 3, 2015, 10:33 AM
May 2015

try convincing millions of Democrats that support their party of that.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
20. Technically?
Sun May 3, 2015, 10:42 AM
May 2015

Can an Independent run in the Democratic primaries? Does anyone here know what, if anything, the regulations say?

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
63. Bernie covered this this morning
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:18 PM
May 2015

Sanders said on the ABC Sunday show "I'll do whatever it takes in each state to get on the ballot."
So I guess if that means joining the Democratic Party he'll do that.
He also said he'll not run as a 3rd party candidate if he loses the Democratic nomination.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
68. Bernie said
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:26 PM
May 2015

Sanders said on the ABC Sunday show "I'll do whatever it takes in each state to get on the ballot."

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
70. Well then- that means that he will register as a Democrat in states he's required to declare a party
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:29 PM
May 2015

Hopefully, this will put all concern trolls mind's at ease. They can now sleep safe knowing that they can take his candidacy seriously.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
22. What's the problem?
Sun May 3, 2015, 10:58 AM
May 2015

In a two party winner take all political system it is common for responsible political figures who belong to smaller political affiliations to join with one of the major parties in a political alliance. Unlike in a parliamentary system, it isn't done by joining into a coalition to form a governing majority, it is done via running under the banner of one of the two major parties. Typically a relatively significant "third party movement" like the the Working Families Party in New York State (or the Conservative Party in NY for the other side) run lots of Dems (or conversely Repubs) on their ticket and far less often the major party will allow a lesser party member to run under their banner in an election as part of the overall horse trading.

That is our system. The Democratic Party has no problem with Bernie running for the Democratic Party nomination, why should any of us?

PosterChild

(1,307 posts)
33. Just to be clear...
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:14 AM
May 2015

...since I am the OP'er, I have no problem with him running In the primary. I think it's good.

However, I don't think that the "Democratic Party", taken broadly as those who vote and identify as Democrats will have "no problem" with him distancing himself from that identification. Judging by past discussions on DU and by the article posted, it will be difficult for the broader Democratic Party to take him serriously.

And your characterization of our two party system is quite correct.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
29. so you quote the article verbatem
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:08 AM
May 2015

but change the title. Pardon me if I point out that your agenda is showing.

PosterChild

(1,307 posts)
38. My agenda is to...
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:24 AM
May 2015

... provide an interesting and salient fact that supprised me quite a bit - that Sanders still refuses to identify with the Democratic Party despite running in the Democratic primary and despite wanting today's be taken as a serrious candidate who is in it for the win.

Over all the article is interesting and makes a good point - that democratic presidential assperants are not making a strong effort today's criticize HRC. Including Sanders, who ducked the opportunity to do so. Why, I wonder, is that?

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
43. Well maybe this fact will suprise you too- published back in Feb 2015
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:34 AM
May 2015

"The Democratic presidential nominee that doesn't have to be a registered Democrat"

"Bernie Sanders might not be a member of the Democratic Party, but the independent senator from Vermont is openly considering a run at the party's presidential nomination -- and that might not be a problem after all.

According to a Democratic National Committee aide, Sanders would not have a problem getting on Democratic primary and caucus ballots because the current party rules do not call for presidential candidates to be registered members of the party.

The DNC defines a presidential candidate as someone who "has accrued delegates in the nominating process and plans to seek the nomination, has established substantial support for his or her nomination as the Democratic candidate for the Office of the President of the United States, is a bona fide Democrat whose record of public service, accomplishment, public writings and/or public statements affirmatively demonstrates that he or she is faithful to the interests, welfare and success of the Democratic Party of the United States"

""There is no registration requirement," said the aide. "You have to be a good faith Democrats, but you don't have to submit some sort of proof of registration. There is no long form birth certificate required showing you were born a Democrat."

States do have the ability to write their own rules for who qualifies as a candidate in their respective primary or caucus, but the aide said no one at the DNC can recall a state that has ever included being a registered Democrat as a requirement for their presidential candidates.

That is the case for Iowa in 2016, too."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/10/politics/bernie-sanders-democrat-or-independent/

PosterChild

(1,307 posts)
45. Have you ever heard of ...
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:41 AM
May 2015

Last edited Sun May 3, 2015, 12:39 PM - Edit history (1)

.... have you ever heard of TL;DR ? In retail politic, verbosity is not a winning strategy.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
47. I did read the article you posted by that fucknut Dana Milbanks. The title of the article
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:50 AM
May 2015

was about HRC not Mr. Sanders. You offered nothing in your post in regards to your opinion, nothing original. Therefore you should have used the proper title of the article in your post. You changing it to make it sound like Mr. Sanders is being dishonest and hiding something is in my opinion- you being dishonest.

Calling me a loser isn't going to change the fact that you posted that little snip of article with an agenda and not all of us here fell for it.

PosterChild

(1,307 posts)
72. So I am not misunderstood . ..
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:37 PM
May 2015

... I did not, and I did not intend to call you a loser... that would bbe disrespectful. I'm sorry if I gave that impression.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
35. Bernie not only founded the House Progressive Caucus, he caucuses with it to this day. He si the
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:17 AM
May 2015

only Senator who does that. He also caucuses with Democrats in the Senate. Schumer, former head of the DSCC and current Democratic Senate Leader is fine with him. The DSCC doesn't even bother to run anyone against him. The DNC is using his entry into the Democratic primary to raise money.

Comments on facebook, reddit and DU indicate Indies and Greens are changing their registration back to Democratic because Bernie is running.

If the DNC doesn't object to his running in the Democratic primary, but is using it to raise money, why do you object? If Schumer doesn't object, why do you object. If no Democratic politician seems to be objecting, why do you object?

PosterChild

(1,307 posts)
44. As a matter of faact, I don't object...
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:35 AM
May 2015

... but I will not consider him a "serrious candidate" who is "in the race to win" if he can't run in the Democratic Primary as a Democrat. And it is unlikely that many others will either.

PosterChild

(1,307 posts)
40. Since this straw man is now....
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:28 AM
May 2015

... being discussed in the main stream political press I guess a lot more debunking is going to have to be done.

And it would be so simple to kill this as a concern - when asked if he is a Democrat he could have said yes. End of story, no debunking necessary.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
41. He was being technically accurate.
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:31 AM
May 2015

You then tacked on your own projection that he wouldn't be a Democrat in future.

PosterChild

(1,307 posts)
46. Good grief, if he can't ...
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:46 AM
May 2015

... be a Democrat right now, while announcing his candidacy and fielding questions from reporters, what hope is there for the future? IMHO, this is pretty sad state of affairs for a candidate that wants to be taken seriously as in it for the wiìn.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
56. Wait, strawman? sigh, you see my question as a BERNIE SUPPORTER is can he run ON the Dem
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:11 PM
May 2015

ballot in the primaries if not registered as a Dem, if not, then to NOT be a spoiler, he has to register, I think, right?

are there Bernie and Hillary supporters on DU who dont want to turn every question into a fight? if so I want to hear from you, those who insist on fighting, please dont respond

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
74. http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/10/politics/bernie-sanders-democrat-or-independent/
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:39 PM
May 2015

Tad Devine, a Democratic political consultant working with senator, points out that because Sanders has come up politically in Vermont -- a state with no party registration -- there is actually no way for him to register officially as a Democrat. "The mechanism doesn't exist," said Devine.

The political consultant, however, said that in order to get on the ballot in some states, Sanders would have to "pledge some allegiance to the Democratic Party."

"He won't have to sign on to every plank of the Democratic platform in order to get in, but he will have to acknowledge that he is running as a Democrat," Devine said. "I think Bernie will have to do that."

Sanders has caucused with the Democratic Party ever since he came to Washington as a congressman in 1991. He unsuccessfully ran for the United States Senate in 1971 as a member of Liberty Union party and, in 1981, when he successfully ran for mayor of Burlington, Vermont, he did so as an independent. At times, the senator identifies as a democratic (small D) socialist.

But now that he is considering a run for the Democratic nomination, his calculation is changing.

"I am getting balder and balder trying to figure these things out," he said at an event in Washington, D.C. on Monday where he acknowledged -- as he has before -- that he would not run outside the Democratic party establishment.

Whether he would change his party affiliation is another story.

"That is a decision I would have to make," he has said.

Devine, the political consultant working with Sanders, put it bluntly: "Would something stop Bernie from running as a Democrat? The bottom line answer to that is no."

PosterChild

(1,307 posts)
76. Patrick Leahy (D, Vermont) has a big D after his name....
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:54 PM
May 2015

.... for some reason he is able to run as a Democrat. It sounds like Sanders is doing some spinning. And the sad thing is, he doesn't have to. All he has to do is say he's a Democrat. So why not?

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
78. to use your words:
Sun May 3, 2015, 01:06 PM
May 2015

"have you ever heard of TL;DR ? In retail politic, verbosity is not a winning strategy"

I'll shorten it for you, Oh, and I bold highlighted it for you too.

But now that he is considering a run for the Democratic nomination, his calculation is changing.

"I am getting balder and balder trying to figure these things out," he said at an event in Washington, D.C. on Monday where he acknowledged -- as he has before -- that he would not run outside the Democratic party establishment.

Whether he would change his party affiliation is another story.

"That is a decision I would have to make," he has said.


Devine, the political consultant working with Sanders, put it bluntly: "Would something stop Bernie from running as a Democrat? The bottom line answer to that is no."
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
42. This could be an interesting political/campaign strategy ...
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:32 AM
May 2015

If he does not change his party affiliation to "Democrat", he will be "primarying" HRC, without "primarying" her.

On the plus side, it allows him to get his message out without even have to acknowledge HRC's candidacy.

But on the down side, it will deny folks the organized, head to head, debates that so many wish to see.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
73. The extent of my concern is limited to ...
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:39 PM
May 2015

whether he plans to enter the Democratic Primaries ...

As a Democrat, only registered Democrats can run in my party's primary election. PERIOD.

Otherwise, I don't care how he identifies.

Response to PosterChild (Original post)

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
53. Libertarians ran in, won, and began to control the Republican Party
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:09 PM
May 2015

with way too much success.

The parties do evolve over time.

The ideas matter. The rest is semantics.

emulatorloo

(44,106 posts)
55. "Wild-haired socialist"???
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:10 PM
May 2015

Tells me all I need to know about your source. Very very shallow.

Sanders is running in the Democratic primary to win the Democratic nomination for President. In the Senate he caucuses with the Democrats.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
82. Seriously? You think most people are that shallow?
Sun May 3, 2015, 01:17 PM
May 2015

To make a determination on who to vote for based on cartoonists drawing him with uncombed hair?

CrispyQ

(36,446 posts)
61. "the wild-haired socialist..."
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:16 PM
May 2015

And so it starts. The marginalization of a great candidate. The MSM is such a big part of the problem.

still_one

(92,116 posts)
64. I have to wonder about this since when you register to vote in Vermont you do not
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:18 PM
May 2015

Declare a party affiliation. Bernie and his staff have already said within 15 days they will satisfy all requirements to be listed as a Democrat in all 50 states. In addition, Bernie has been cacusig with the Democrats in Congress since first getting into politics, so I write this off to typical Washington Post misinformation, or Chicago Sunday Times

PosterChild

(1,307 posts)
75. Patrick Leahy (D, Vermont) has a big D after his name....
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:46 PM
May 2015

... the question was posed by a Chicago newspaper reporter. For a serious candidate that is going to have enough difficulty establishing his bonafides without such distractions this should have been a no brainer.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
77. So what? He's not running on a separate party ticket like Ross Perot or Ralph Nader
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:59 PM
May 2015

did, making them spoilers. He has always said he is a social democrat but since we don't have a parliamentary system in this country, he can't do that. However he can be the Democratic Party candidate in the general election if we back him up.

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
85. good-- Sander's exactly described my party affiliation....
Sun May 3, 2015, 01:52 PM
May 2015

Finally, someone who represents my political interests running for president of the United States!

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
94. Good for Bernie.
Tue May 5, 2015, 05:15 PM
May 2015

Labels are meaningless, imo.
Policies and stance on issues are more important, imo.
I'm registered as a Democrat, and probably have voted for DEMs 90 percent of the time, but I vote for the candidate, and where they stand on the issues, rather then just for a party.
Now, most of those candidates are DEMs, but I am certainly open to voting for candidates of another party if I feel they are the best candidate and/or believe in the things that I believe in.

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