The Right Baits the Left to Turn Against Hillary Clinton

[UCmeNdc]

For months now, America Rising has sent out a steady stream of posts on social media attacking Mrs. Clinton, some of them specifically designed to be spotted, and shared, by liberals. The posts highlight critiques of her connections to Wall Street and the Clinton Foundation and feature images of Democrats like Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Mayor Bill de Blasio of New York, interspersed with cartoon characters and pictures of Kevin Spacey, who plays the villain in “House of Cards.” And as they are read and shared, an anti-Clinton narrative is reinforced.

America Rising is not the only conservative group attacking Mrs. Clinton from the left. Another is American Crossroads, the group started by Karl Rove, which has been sending out its own digital content, including one ad using a speech Ms. Warren gave at the New Populism Conference in Washington last May.



http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/us/politics/the-right-aims-at-democrats-on-social-media-to-hit-clinton.html

[orpupilofnature57]

1. Figures usurping leeches would take credit for members with a

Conscience .

[orpupilofnature57]

2. And the attacks on Hillary started in 92 .

[randys1]

26. But there is no difference in the parties, I keep telling you- this is why Koch etal

willing to spend

ONE


BILLION

DOLLARS

to make sure the Democrats are NOT in the WH

wait, sounds like maybe there is a difference, after all

[lewebley3]

41. Hillary is are only chance, to stop the GOP: Bernie is only useful to the GOP

Facts, are facts, the more the Dem stick together, the better are chances.

[randys1]

43. I vehemently disagree.

First, Bernie is of no use to the GOP as he will not be a spoiler, he has already confirmed that.

Second, Bernie has one hell of an uphill battle to get the word out, but each day we grow less stable in this society.

One group of about 25% of us feels abortion and Gay/Black rights are the problem and too many Blacks get welfare and if they just stopped doing that all our problems would go away.

Then there is the group of another 35% or so who will vote solely based on how it saves them money, got lots of those here at DU

So as we grow more and more unstable, the message Bernie has becomes more and more valuable.

[lewebley3]

44. I know you disagree: and that will help the GOP

[randys1]

45. ...

[workinclasszero]

3. Yeah its easy to see the results here

on DU.

Those Koch bros billions buy alot sad to say.

[Fred Sanders]

5. I would be careful to separate the Rec crazy Koch concern puppets from genuine disagreement among members.

Never heard about the Kevin Spacey strawman though.

The imaginations of far right media has to be begrudgingly admired.

[hollowdweller]

10. Yeah it's hard to tell the difference.

It's a good plan on the part of republicans. Hillary has been to pro rich in the past so for those who are suspicious of her it's a perfect plan to try to get them to set out the general.

[Fred Sanders]

12. Perfect plan? Hardly. Republicans forget the election is 18 months ago, liberals are not as stupid.

[cui bono]

7. Yeah, because liberals can't possibly inform themselves of Clinton's Wall St associations

and vote in favor of the IWR. Silly liberals can't even think for themselves, they actually can only cut and paste from right wing sites, doncha know?

Why can't liberals just learn that Hillary is the greatest and is just perfect and deserves absolutely no criticism what so ever?

[kenfrequed]

27. Exactly!

Progressives never get excited over issues like trade, the environment, labor, fracking, global warming, or equal rights. This article is about a few bloody tweets at best. Most of us are a bit more informed about this.

[swilton]

40. BINGO

It's so easy to dismiss Hillary's pro-Wall Street, pro War record as only existing through right wing hatchet jobs rather than being readily apparent through the substantial history of her actions both in the Senate and as SoS.

[lewebley3]

42. There is no way to know if you are Bernie supporter, or a GOP supporter

Both are hurt the Dem chances in taking the white house, and
congress.

[cui bono]

59. Dude.

You are a crackpot.

Don't you have some yahoo! articles you need to post comments on? This board is supposed to be for discussion, not insane statements such as every one I've seen you make.

[lewebley3]

70. We need to increase the number of people using the DU.

If we get enough traffic on this site, this site can be come valuable,
the Dem's, if you have notice don't have any media outlet anymore,
the Koch's have enough money to bribe every journalist in
America. Corporation media has kicked out basic discussion
about current events. The first rule of attack in a fight is to damage
the opponents communication, second is to divide the opponents among-st
themselves, the GOP have been very successfully so far. Remember
the only way the GOP win is to divide Americans
Also, Dem need one place for Dem to organize, right now the
the communication between Dem's is a lot like the peace marches,
issues all over the places, good Dem reporting on left is on personal
web sites all over the place.
Dem's need a Central place to get info especially during the election.
Du, should be used as an organizing tool the for the Dem's. We all
need to be talking about the same subjects at the same time: that
way we can get messages to the Dem troops. Dem need to improve
their messaging.
Finally, who are you to stay what my comments should be about, you
worry about you postings. Best Wishes

Go Hillary!!

[cui bono]

72. If you believe what you say you wouldn't be making up shit about Bernie.

[lewebley3]

75. There is nothing made up about Bernie: He is a nice man!

[cui bono]

76. You have stated elsewhere that he is connected to big money,

albeit in a nonsensical, crackpot sort of way.

Still you kept on about him being connected to big money.

[lewebley3]

77. He has had to raise money like any other poltiican!

He doesn't need a lot, he only has 600,000 people in
his state.

[cui bono]

78. How does that make him connected to big money? n/t

[lewebley3]

79. Big money is a relative term, In Bernie's state the donors are big money!

He has millionaire friends in the Senate with him! They
give to his campaign, Hillary and Bill have both raised
and given money to Bernie.

[lewebley3]

53. Everyone has Wall St Asociations, they own most of the Country!

[progressoid]

8. Yeah, sure.

That's what influences DUers. The Kock brothers.

[Android3.14]

14. Haven't seen this here, as described in the OP

Legit disagreement and criticism is (mostly) what I find here. Besides, Clinton has plenty of defenders on this site, and (mostly, again) those are grassroots defenders.

[kenfrequed]

15. Uhm...

I don't know about any right wingers creating left wing messaging. I base my opinions on Sanders positions and how much more they are in keeping with Democratic ideals.

What spirit is this posted in? Is there some intention to cast suspicion on supporting a candidate that is not Hillary as being somehow suspect of Koch connections? I can tell you that Bernie Sanders is about as far from the Koch brothers that is possible. I actually posted a video where he points out in painful detail the connections from the Koch brothers to the idea of raising the age of retirement for Social Security. He detailed the think tanks, the pundits, and the bought and paid for politicians.

Very few Democrats have actually gone into detail of the right wing's messaging on this and more than a few Third-way Democrats support raising the age as part of a "complete fix" to social security.

I gauge what side someone is on based on policy.

[2banon]

21. Well Said!

[davidpdx]

37. +1 to the last line

If you disagree with Hillary Clinton on DU you automatically get labeled a Hillary Hater by one of her supporters. It's pretty much SOP for them.

[olegramps]

29. I am disappointed by many who saw if she wins the nomination they will sit out the election.

I really wonder just what effect the Right Wing propaganda is having on Democrats. The polls that I have seen show that the vast majority of Democrats support Hilary Clinton. However, if those on this board are staunch liberals, as I have to assume, could their opposition affect the outcome of the general election resulting in the a Republican being elected.

[The Green Manalishi]

31. Anyone saying that (that they will not vote for the nominee) should be tossed

off of this site.

I am for Bernie or Elizabeth in the primaries, but I'm voting the Democratic nominee in the general. Anyone who doesn't is, by definition, not a Democrat and should go fuck off.

[certainot]

61. well said. of course that doesn't apply

for all those very principled liberals who never compromise and who live in caves and eat grass and berries and roots. they definitely have a case, except they wouldn't be on a computer though....

anyone who advocates not voting because they don't get to vote for the perfect candidate should be considered a republican troll suppressing the vote. that's fine, don't vote, but keep it to yourself and don't spread that both parties are the same bullshit.

[lewebley3]

52. The is board dosen't rep the lib's, this is very small group of Dem!

I am a staunch lib, that is why am supporting Hillary!

[They_Live]

62. Huh?

Yell me more about your libness, and how she embodies it.

[Fred Sanders]

4. Seems whole schools of minnows have taken the bait.

[randys1]

28. What literally scares the shit out of me is the following scenario:

OK, the following are givens:

1. Any election anywhere the Democrat has to get more than 3%, or a minimum of a 4% victory over the Republican because on average the Republican party is able to steal 3% of the vote, every single time. Whether this be through voter obstruction, unconstitutionally required ID to vote, etc. Or what was done in Florida by Jeb Bush deleting 60,000 African Americans from the voting rolls.

2. Getting people NOT to vote or to vote 3rd party poses a whole new dilemma for the Democrats, which will add to the already guaranteed 3% steal.

3. If the Republicans manage to steal the WH by getting alleged Democrats not to vote or voting 3rd party, we will see Roe overturned, Women dying in back alleys, and minorities and Gay folk will be kicked into the streets.

4. This might actually be good as it may be time to just get this over with and start over, as I am pretty sure America is done unless we are willing to toss our version of capitalism in the waste bucket where it belongs.


(Easy for me to say this might actually be good, as a white/str8t/male, NONE of the HORROR the teaparty has in store for us will fall directly on me)

[tularetom]

6. I don't know if I am "the left" but I can assure you my opposition to Clinton is strictly my own

I don't need "the right" to tell me to oppose the corporate friendly, war mongering, neo liberal policies espoused by Clinton are just more of the same old shit we've been putting up with for the past 30 years.

And I don't need anybody to remind me that we don't need four more years of sleazy Clinton scandals and melodrama dominating the headlines.

Frankly the entire meme is bullshit and I resent it. If any group on DU is capable of being brainwashed, its the Clinton fanboys and girls who are gullible enough to believe that a few crumbs tossed out on social issues somehow nullifies all the corporatist crap she won't talk about.

[2banon]

20. Hear! Here!

[rhett o rick]

9. You know I think you have something. Just the other day a Righty told me that Clinton

and Bush were buddy-buddy during the invasion of Iraq. She even echoed Bush's claim of WMD's in Iraq. Never would have figured that out w/o Right Wing help.

[2banon]

19. 1000 + ! ^^^^^^^

[Gothmog]

11. Jeb and the GOP is really worried about Hillary Clinton

[dreamnightwind]

13. My take on this

"Conservative strategists and operatives say they are simply filling a vacuum on the far left, as well as applying the lesson they learned in 2012, when they watched in frustration as Mitt Romney was forced to expend time and resources in a protracted primary fight. By the time he secured his party’s nomination, President Obama hardly had to make the case that his opponent was a coldhearted plutocrat; Republicans like Newt Gingrich had already made the argument for him in the primaries."

First, I wish they would butt out of our primaries.

They are certainly correct about the vacuum on the left, we make a lot of noise online but have no major source of funding (naturally, capital interests are not leftist interests, and labor in this country is a shadow of its former self, thanks to the corporate funding of both parties) and have been left completely out of policy decisions by both major parties since I started paying attention (a long time ago).

It's a bitter irony to be hearing it from the right, clearly they fear going up against Hillary's corporate donor base. They should probably be careful what they wish for, there is a huge disaffected segment of the population that would respond well to a genuine populist campaign. It remains to be seen if Bernie is capable of driving such a campaign on a national level, I certainly hope so and will work to make it happen.

Second, in the above reference to the Romney campaign, the reason it was a problem for him is that he actually is a cold-hearted plutocrat. The charge was on point, so of course Romney could not overcome that, it is his very essence.

Primaries are campaigns, and as such they often aren't pretty. So long as info presented is true and relevant to how a candidate will likely govern, it is fair game. Personally I will try to watch out for RW sources when referencing Hillary, but the more important issue is whether or not something is true and relevant to how they will govern if elected.

As to a contested primary damaging her, I don't buy that at all, if the truth is presented and it does damage then it probably should. That's what primaries are for, to vet candidates. Any attacks on Hillary's financial ties will apply equally to Bush, the Republicans can't expect to use those issues on Democrats when their own house is even dirtier. It's very sad, though, that they are able to defend their support of the Iraq war with statements like Hillary supported it too (edit to add: and they would likewise use her indebtedness to monied interests to justify their own).

I don't recall Hillary pulling many punches on Obama in the '08 primary, and her supporters were also pulling few if any punches. It went both ways of course. I was on the Obama side of that one. Knowing what I know now it would be a toss-up for me, I don't see much difference in their policies, I admittedly was misled by Obama positioning himself to Hillary's left.

Anyway, thanks for reading this and for bringing this to our attention, fuck those guys. I do believe in a left - right coalition to outflank corporatists to end the deep state we are living in, but institutions like Crossroads are part of the problem, not the solution.

[frylock]

16. 2 for the price of 1 here. paint liberals as too stupid to form their own views on the candidates..

and stifle any criticism of Clinton by claiming that it's fueled by disinformation coming from the right. FTS.

[DownriverDem]

17. Nice Try

Who in their right mind would turn against Hillary? Do those idiots think folks would vote repub then? No way in hell.

[2banon]

18. The "Right" doesn't need to bother. Hillary managed to alienate the Left all on her own.

well, maybe with a bit of help from Wall Street and the rest of the turd way cabal.

[PatrynXX]

23. thats true

I was pro hillary until I found out she was connected with W at the hip over a decade ago.

[A Simple Game]

24. Yup, Hillary is her own worst enemy. It will become obvious when she has to start

actually taking positions, just like the last time the mean old left did her in. Let the Conservatives belittle their best chance to win the White House from the Democratic side. All they are doing is giving Hillary supporters something to complain about.

[lewebley3]

51. Hillary has not managed to alienate the left: She is the left, and they are supporting her!

All these attacks on her help the GOP. Stick to facts, Hillary is supported by most
of America, and 65 points ahead of any changer in her party.

The only people alienate by Hillary are the GOP

[2banon]

67. Your political world view perspective is woefully uninformed..

Perhaps search out and have conversations with a number of Leftist in person and/or read historical literature and current Leftist writings.

Hope that helps..

[lewebley3]

69. The Dem's are left, they supporting are Hillary, Check Dem's polls

A handful of particular Leftist is meaning less, Leftist pertains to me and Hillary supporters
as well. We are not ideologues however! We want to stop the GOP for real, not just
heckler those leftist that are actually putting themselves out there against the GOP.

[2banon]

73. I'd say I'd want what you have in that pipe you're smoking..

on the other hand, I think I'll pass.

by the way, I'm not sure I read you accurately here (if English is your second language, that might explain it) but it appears you are also implying that the other real Leftists let us say, is insignificant and meaningless in the up coming 2016 elections.

If you really are a Hillary supporter, I would take stock of what it is you think you want to see happen in 2016, and refrain from insulting the intelligence of the actual Leftist on this board and elsewhere.

Just sayin'. if your candidate loses, I don't want to hear you blaming it on the Left who will not vote for her and is making that quite clear ahead of time to all the righties in the Democratic party.. better pick someone else if you want the Whitehouse in 2016 and make a better case to Leftists not insult our intelligence by citing so called poll results as if that was indicative of anything remotely real.

[lewebley3]

74. But, the leftist would be responsible for the GOP if they don't vote for Hillary

That is what Nader leftist did for the country, they elected Bush!

I held my nose and voted for Obama because he was Dem, and
GOP could be devastating to country, which turned out to be
true.

You cannot claim to be leftist and help the GOP into office.

[2banon]

83. where are you from?

[lewebley3]

84. This is not match.com, but I am from the Heart of Chicago!

The Home of the first black President, and Jan Jawoski is my rep!

[2banon]

86. Not looking for a mate, thanks..

I was fairly confident Chicago wasn't some sort of Fact Free Zone, like so many parts of the Deep South.

But hey, I've never lived there, so I guess my assumptions and expectations regarding inhabitants of Chicago were not fact based .

Apparently..

oh well.. 'learn something new everyday' as they say...

[PatrynXX]

22. so far

all the headlines coming out I already know about

she's a Conservative. ho hum

Go Bernie need a Bernie / Elizabeth ticket bad

[BrainDrain]

25. The only BAIT I see

..is the title to this OP.

In this case the RW has nothing to do with it. The left turned against Hillary long ago..right around her Iraq vote and her cozy relationship with W.

She is making a ton of progressive NOISE now, but that is only because of folks like Warren and Sanders.

I have said it before.... HRC is a Wall street tool, a status quo pol whose only desire is to be in the history books as the first woman president.

SANDERS/WARREN!!!

[hrmjustin]

30. The title is exactly what the nyt title is.

[lewebley3]

32. I pointed this out about Bernie Sanders followers, I don't think they are libs:

Some of the Bernie Sanders people are right wring trolls, that
are getting their funding to attack Hillary.

Rush has already call for the right to send money to the Sanders Campaign.

[tennstar]

33. Proof

Show us one!

[2banon]

34. oh dear.

[Chan790]

47. Paid to attack Hillary?

Hell, I've offered to pay for the opportunity to attack Hillary. $500,000 out of my pocket I believe I offered if she'd just STFU and go away.

What some centrist Democrats seem to miss is that some of us actually hate (loathe, despise, seethe with contempt for) their candidate Hillary. We don't need motivation to attack her or support real Democrats. The only reward we need is seeing Hillary and corporatist Democrats like her falter.

As I explained last night...I'm not a liberal because classical-liberalism includes economic-liberalism and means embracing free-markets and free-trade. I am a progressive and a Social Democrat.

[lewebley3]

48. You sound like the GOP: Who can tell, with such an awful attack on Hillary

Hillary and her supporters are not centrist, that is a GOP idea, she is
lib, as are most Dem's, we believe in sharing.

But, I do think you confuse practical Dem's with ideologues: You
can't make policy if you cannot win an election.


Lincoln's first rule in politics is "survival"

As, for 500,000. out of your pocket, the GOP will be happy for you to work for
them, if you aren't already. The GOP loathe and despise successful Dem too,
you would be in good company

[Chan790]

49. You know what you are?

Not worth my time. I find the people that throw around allegations that other people are on a payroll...tend to be on someone else's payroll. Who's paying you to be here?

I sound nothing like the GOP unless the GOP recently became militantly pro-labor, anti-capitalist and leftist.

"Practical dem" sounds a lot like "sensible liberal".

[lewebley3]

50. I am worth your time: that is why you responded!

My point: whatever you are, you are not helping the Dem's you are helping the GOP.

[BlueMTexpat]

64. So you just happen to have $500,000

lying around to make Hillary go away? Wow!

Either that's hyperbole, a bald-faced lie, or you are part of Wall Street yourself.

If you loathe Hillary so much, please give your $500,000 to Bernie. That would actually be putting your money where your mouth is.

I am not going to slander either Hillary or Bernie - or Martin O'Malley either for that matter - if and when he announces.

I stand for Hillary now and am a lifelong (70+ years) liberal. I will vote for whoever wins the Democratic primary, however.

Frankly, any so-called Bernie supporters who slime Hillary here are not Dems, IMO. Those who have legitimate grievances with her stands can state them without the hyperbole and slander that is typical of too many posts on DU. I have some grievances myself.

But I also believe that Hillary is our best hope in 2016. From what I have seen and heard, the majority of US voters - and not simply Dem voters - believe the same. That is exactly why the Kochs, Rove and the whole of the radical RW GOP are working so desperately to take her down.

This is just the beginning.

[Chan790]

66. It's the balance of my retirement savings...

so I don't have it to give away per-se...I'm viewing it as an investment in America's future by taking out a hit on the DLC and Third-Way.

I figure, having saved the world from Clintonism, I have 30 good years before retirement to make back that money...or be stuck in permanent wage-slavery until I die because I passed up the opportunity to kill the corporatist-centrist wing of the Democratic Party when I had the chance.

Also, I grew up wealthy. Not 1% wealthy...but not far off.

[BlueMTexpat]

68. Be sure to figure in the penalty

for early withdrawal.

[senz]

56. At this point, support for Bernie is all good.

Because he is bringing the issues -- the real issues, not the gossip -- out in to the open. Bernie is injecting truth into our public discourse; he's educating the American people.

[lewebley3]

71. Bernie is a nice: man but is campaign is not a help!

I think we should be saving up all the money we have for the general,
we are already at a this advantage with money.

Hillary,is going to have go begging for money, the GOP only
has to find a handful of billionaires to right them a check.

Dem's should figure out how to communicate with all fifty state
Dem party's. There should be one place like Du, where Dem's
troops can get messaging orders from Dem's campaigns.

If you have notice the corporation and Billionaires have taken control
of all the communications access's in the country.

Dem's need to work together as a team to win, I don't think primary
is helpful, when we have a person who can run almost as a ss President.

[George II]

35. Interesting analysis

I wonder when we'll see a similar piece about the "LEFT" baiting the left to turn against Hillary Clinton?

[senz]

54. The NYTimes article discusses GOPers who pretend to be Dems disgusted w/HRC

So we should be alert to righties who do that in fora such as this. Nevertheless, there are progressive "purists" who refuse to sully their clean little hands with a vote for a Dem who is a thousand times better than Republicans and stands a chance of winning but is also (shudder) imperfect.

[McCamy Taylor]

36. Sadly, the point of this article is probably to encourage more conservatives to pretend

to be "concerned" liberals online and on twitter etc. The NYT is hoping to swell the ranks of RNC paid posters--and bought off journalists---with amateur help, which will make it more difficult for sites like DU to keep track of the trolls.

This article is akin to those "helpful" MSM stories we saw so often in 2000 about how Nader could steal enough votes from Gore to swing the election. The real message was "So what of you are maxed out on your GOP contributions? Give cash to Nader. It's like giving more to Bush."

Remember, the MSM is never our friend.

[senz]

55. MSM reporting is uneven; few are all good or all bad.

It's not a monolith like Fox News. As for the NYTimes, how did you like the recent expose of exploitation in nail salons? And today's opinion piece on the necessity of more such worker exploitation pieces?

[RandiFan1290]

38. More RW trolling from the nyt

[IronLionZion]

39. Depends on where they focus their efforts

liberals will spend most of the effort on supporting liberal candidates and policies

ratfuckers will spend most of the effort on negativity towards candidates/policies, claiming both parties are the same, and discourage liberals from voting even for downticket races

Negativity is clickbait and it gets people worked up. Just as in the news, if it bleeds, it leads.

[senz]

57. Truth. Thanks for saying it.

[Chan790]

46. Didn't really need the bait, so to speak...

any more than sensible conservatives need me to tell them why they need to do everything in their power to insure Ted Cruz doesn't end up with the GOP nomination in 2016.

Which is to say we're all aware of the unsuitability for the job of our respective frontrunners.

It's just a matter of how long those frontrunners can keep the long knives at their heels out of their backs.

[senz]

58. I can't stand Hillary; she's not a good person. But if it comes down to

Hillary vs. any Republican, I'll hold my nose and vote for her. Why? The American people, that's why. Whoever will hurt them the least -- and can win -- gets my vote.

[silvershadow]

60. They need bot bait me. She left me a long time ago. Bernie or bust. Literally. nt

[EndlessMaze]

63. Here is what I think about this matter.

1) I will vote in the next election, just as I do in every election.
2) I am a progressive Democrat, and proud of it.
3) I used to be a Republican.
4) I will never ever vote for a Republican ever again.
5) I like Hillary Clinton, and Barry Sanders as they do each other.
6) I want them to discuss the issues and give their perspectives on them so that we can decide who might be a better President.
7) I do not want them to attack each other about miscellaneous B.S., so just stick to the facts.
8) I will never ever vote for a Republican ever again, but I will vote.

But it's not all about me!

[SMG]

65. Too often ideological

The Left has made a recurring mistake throughout the years: Wanting "perfect" and not "good." As a result, we split our vote and let Right Wingers get in. 2000 Bush v Gore v Nader. 2010 FL Rubio v Crist v Meek. Now we are faced with Rubio who will likely get GOP nod and much of Hispanic vote just because of his name. When will we ever learn? Liberals need a course in politics, not just purist ideology. I am 72 years old and have seen this movie play out too many times.

[Trajan]

80. Oh Noes! ... I'm a tool of the Right Wing Hit Machine !

I just have to remember :


DON'T criticize Hillary Clinton and be a tool of the Right Wing Hit Machine!

DON'T criticize Hillary Clinton and be a tool of the Right Wing Hit Machine!

DON'T criticize Hillary Clinton and be a tool of the Right Wing Hit Machine!


Thank you DU for correcting my opinions !

Bitter

[kenfrequed]

81. This silly story has been reposted for days now.

Seriously, most of us on the left are actually basing our support of Bernie Sanders on the issues.

For some reason a few stupid tweets by right wing organizations are supposed to cast some kind of disrepute on those of us that have been long critical of Senator and Secretary Clinton and her record on economic issues.

It really is kind of offensive that some on this site now accuse anyone supporting Sanders or critical of the TPP as somehow being pawns of the right wing.

Could we please move on from this?

Most Sanders supporters are reposting positive stories and videos about his positions and what he is doing these days.

[pansypoo53219]

82. keep vast rite wing conspiracy in your head.

[WhoWoodaKnew]

85. I think the Republicans need to win the presidency

just to show us, yet again, how bad it can be.