Mon Jun 15, 2015, 10:52 AM

hedgehog (36,286 posts)

People keep telling me that Hillary has always opposed (whatever) or that Hillary

has always supported (whatever).

Here's my problem; if these are all long held positions, why don't I know that already? Digging through old, relatively obscure speeches and statements for proof is not impressive. I really can't think of any particular issue associated with Hillary outside of being the first female President. If the Fates had chosen differently, Palin could have been our first female President. Somehow, the gender of the President is not my first concern. I've grown up in the age of the first female this or that, but women's wages are still at 70% men's. There seem to be too many important issues on which Clinton's response is "me,too".

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People keep telling me that Hillary has always opposed (whatever) or that Hillary (Original post)	hedgehog	Jun 2015	OP
You might check her Senate report and look at the over 400 bills she sponsored.	leftofcool	Jun 2015	#1
Case in point - all Senators sponsor a lot of bills, but is there any bill	hedgehog	Jun 2015	#2
It's easier to hand you a laundry list of "me too!".	jeff47	Jun 2015	#3
There was that flag burning bill that she co-sponsored	frylock	Jun 2015	#4
An attack on the first amendment is not something I would wave around.	Exilednight	Jun 2015	#5
Republicans controlled the Senate for most of her time there.	geek tragedy	Jun 2015	#6
That includes co-sponsoring -- which means joining someone else's legislation	karynnj	Jun 2015	#7
and we have always been at war with Eurasia ....	Motown_Johnny	Jun 2015	#8

Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Jun 15, 2015, 10:54 AM

leftofcool (19,460 posts)

1. You might check her Senate report and look at the over 400 bills she sponsored.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 15, 2015, 10:57 AM

hedgehog (36,286 posts)

2. Case in point - all Senators sponsor a lot of bills, but is there any bill

that is widely known to be her special baby? Did she go to the mat fighting for anything?

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 15, 2015, 11:15 AM

jeff47 (26,549 posts)

3. It's easier to hand you a laundry list of "me too!".

That way they can just wave their hands and declare "whatever you care about is in there somewhere".

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Mon Jun 15, 2015, 11:44 AM

frylock (34,825 posts)

4. There was that flag burning bill that she co-sponsored

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Response to frylock (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 15, 2015, 02:43 PM

Exilednight (9,359 posts)

5. An attack on the first amendment is not something I would wave around.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 15, 2015, 02:49 PM

geek tragedy (68,868 posts)

6. Republicans controlled the Senate for most of her time there.

She was elected in 2000, served from 2001 to 2009.

There was virtually zero time between when the Democrats became the majority in Congress and when she began running for President.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 15, 2015, 03:36 PM

karynnj (59,119 posts)

7. That includes co-sponsoring -- which means joining someone else's legislation

HRC was a junior Senator, whose personal life, made her more important than the roles that she actually played in the Senate, a body that LIVES on seniority, which she did not have. It is not really easy to make the case that she was an exemplary Senator. There is some truth that that position was intended to be a stepping stone to the Presidency in 2008.

Warren has led more in her short time there than HRC did when she was there --- and Bernie was the person behind the community health centers in ACA - one of the best features of that bill. He was also the lead sponsor on the VA bill that passed recently.

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Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:11 AM

Motown_Johnny (22,308 posts)

8. and we have always been at war with Eurasia ....

They can say it, it doesn't make it true.

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