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Sun Jul 19, 2015, 03:18 AM

#BlackLivesMatter but 15 Minutes of Fame Seekers Shouldn't: The Sanders/O'Malley Shoutdown NN15

Disclaimer: Was not in Phoenix this year BUT read reports from the Blogging Media and "Left" and "Right" Mainstream Media so this rant is from a collection of what was read.

Word from the conference is U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders and Martin O'Malley were shouted down repeatedly by those who claim to represent the #BlackLivesMatter movement.

Meanwhile, the "Left" and "Right" wing Mainstream Media jumped all over the melee to say that Bernie Sanders had little to no support among so-called "Progressives" attending the conference.

Basically, the real truth is the following:

A bunch of folks seeking 15 minutes of fame decided to disrupt both U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders and Martin O'Malley so-called "Q & A" session at the conference.

Meanwhile a "Moderator" named "Tia Oso" along lost control of actually performing basic moderation duties and decided to join into the Fame Seekers Disruptions. Jose Vergas lost control of this moderated session also but, did not jump into the melee. That was appreciated.

Now mind you, Hillary Clinton refused to attend Netroots Nation Conference COMPLETELY as the word was attending this event was not "worth her time" this year.

So instead of showing a minuscule of #Respect for the two Progressive Candidates that took time out of their day to show up and answer questions at Netroots Nation, these so-called, literally pop-up young 15 minutes of fame seekers supposedly (really NOT) representing the #BlackLivesMatters movement -- showed their Ass-ets -- to be as frank and honest and possible.

This is disappointing and does NOTHING to help the real #BlackLivesMatter Movement. The "Moderator" #TiaOso should never host a session with a potential Democratic Presidential Nominee again and Jose Vergas need to learn how to hold down an crowd of disruptive individuals before he is ever allowed to.

Netroots Nation should (but they likely won't) apologize to both Martin O'Malley and Bernie Sanders for allowing the sessions to break down to a shouting match were neither candidate were allowed to properly speak.

After reading the various accounts we are glad we declined to attend Netroots Nation this year as a result.

-Independent Underground News & Talk

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Reply #BlackLivesMatter but 15 Minutes of Fame Seekers Shouldn't: The Sanders/O'Malley Shoutdown NN15 (Original post)
LovingA2andMI Jul 2015 OP
HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #1
LovingA2andMI Jul 2015 #5
Stellar Jul 2015 #9
LovingA2andMI Jul 2015 #12
Stellar Jul 2015 #15
jzola Jul 2015 #52
LovingA2andMI Jul 2015 #57
JaneyVee Jul 2015 #35
LovingA2andMI Jul 2015 #60
AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #2
JDPriestly Jul 2015 #3
winter is coming Jul 2015 #41
LovingA2andMI Jul 2015 #8
99Forever Jul 2015 #47
Mnpaul Jul 2015 #50
LovingA2andMI Jul 2015 #53
Kahuna Jul 2015 #72
LittleBlue Jul 2015 #112
Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #4
HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #7
Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #13
LovingA2andMI Jul 2015 #16
KittyWampus Jul 2015 #67
JI7 Jul 2015 #70
sufrommich Jul 2015 #73
KittyWampus Jul 2015 #77
sufrommich Jul 2015 #78
LovingA2andMI Jul 2015 #87
PeaceNikki Jul 2015 #89
PeaceNikki Jul 2015 #91
dsc Jul 2015 #92
PeaceNikki Jul 2015 #94
sufrommich Jul 2015 #95
Number23 Jul 2015 #111
LovingA2andMI Jul 2015 #80
msrizzo Jul 2015 #88
LovingA2andMI Jul 2015 #90
JaneyVee Jul 2015 #36
LovingA2andMI Jul 2015 #54
JaneyVee Jul 2015 #56
LovingA2andMI Jul 2015 #62
JaneyVee Jul 2015 #83
HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #81
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marym625 Jul 2015 #113
LovingA2andMI Jul 2015 #10
winter is coming Jul 2015 #44
romanic Jul 2015 #20
MH1 Jul 2015 #55
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LovingA2andMI Jul 2015 #63
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Stellar Jul 2015 #6
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winter is coming Jul 2015 #45
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JI7 Jul 2015 #17
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JI7 Jul 2015 #19
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JI7 Jul 2015 #51
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JI7 Jul 2015 #105
Scootaloo Jul 2015 #106
JI7 Jul 2015 #107
Scootaloo Jul 2015 #109
sufrommich Jul 2015 #23
MohRokTah Jul 2015 #40
LovingA2andMI Jul 2015 #69
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Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #27
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LovingA2andMI Jul 2015 #74
MohRokTah Jul 2015 #76
LovingA2andMI Jul 2015 #85
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KoKo Jul 2015 #66
cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #108
JaneyVee Jul 2015 #37
MohRokTah Jul 2015 #38
TM99 Jul 2015 #59
LovingA2andMI Jul 2015 #97
MohRokTah Jul 2015 #99
KoKo Jul 2015 #101
KoKo Jul 2015 #110
brewens Jul 2015 #46
KittyWampus Jul 2015 #64
fredamae Jul 2015 #68
LovingA2andMI Jul 2015 #98
fredamae Jul 2015 #100
scarletwoman Jul 2015 #104
moondust Jul 2015 #71
sufrommich Jul 2015 #79
moondust Jul 2015 #82

Response to LovingA2andMI (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 03:28 AM

1. I understand Hillary was booed in 2007...

 

...and that's why she didn't attend. In retrospect that looks like a smart decision. After being ambushed in 2015 (apparently with prior notice, if not complicity, of NN15 Media Director Elon James White), it is doubtful Sanders and O'Malley will return. I don't see any reason why any politician would risk appearing, maybe a dog-catcher. NN has jumped the shark, and is now irrelevant.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:02 AM

5. Well, well...

That would make sense on why she did not think NN 15 was worth her time. Equally after this performance, it is not worth any potential Democratic Nominee time that is seriously waging a Campaign for Presidential Nomination.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:12 AM

9. Hillary?

Can Hillary Clinton Really Get Away With Skipping Netroots?The Democratic front-runner was booed at this liberal gathering in 2007. And this year, a no-show has the base equally unimpressed.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/can-hillary-clinton-really-get-away-with-skipping-netroots-20150717

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Response to Stellar (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:19 AM

12. We're not Hillary Fans either BUT....

It would make sense if she was Booed and Shouted down in 2007, why she skipped right on pass Netroots this year. In fact, after the performance and lack of any sort of warmth shown to Sanders or O' Malley, it's highly doubtful any potential Democratic Presidential Nominee will show up again.

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #12)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:32 AM

15. I guess that's what all future president should do.

Run!

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #12)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:35 AM

52. She was not

Booed and shouted down. I did not attend this year but have attended many many Netroots. Code Pink was annoying one year and there have been boos for many of the speakers,but no one has ever been kept from speaking at any event I ever attended.
It sounds like the people in charge of the meeting lost control and that never happened at the 10 conferences I attended.

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Response to jzola (Reply #52)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:48 AM

57. According to the L.A. Times (as we did not attend in 2007 either)....

"It wasn’t the first time a presidential candidate has been roundly booed at the conference. At the 2007 event, Hillary Rodham Clinton, in her first presidential campaign, heard boos for being too centrist and for voting in favor of the Iraq war. She skipped this year’s event."


http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-sanders-omalley-netroots-nation-20150718-story.html

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:37 AM

35. She didn't attend because she was at a Democratic party fundraiser.

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #35)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:52 AM

60. Wrong.... And for the record Hillary was in Iowa Campaigning...

And could have went but decided not too....

"Clinton’s decision to skip the convention did not go unnoticed, either, especially a day before Sanders is scheduled to deliver his speech in a room designed to fit more than 10,000 people.

“It’s very notable that she’s not here,” Dan O’Neal, the Arizona state coordinator for the Progressive Democrats of America, said, adding that even though the former secretary of state had been invited, “she declined to come. Martin O’Malley’s going to be here. Why shouldn’t she be here? We’re saying, ‘Hillary, where are you?’” (For the record, she’s in Iowa.)"


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/elizabeth-warren-netroots-nation-presidential-requirements-120298.html

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 03:36 AM

2. Shouting down someone who agrees with you is irrational

 

When he tried to answer the question they were chanting, they shouted that down too. They didn't want an answer, they just wanted to disrupt.

I would call it 'cutting off their nose to spite their own face'.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 03:52 AM

3. +10000

Which does not detract from the fact that a more effective demonstration in favor of Black Lives Matter should have been given some time and attention at the event.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:52 AM

41. +1000. n/t

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:11 AM

8. Irrational and Damaging at the Same Time

There are other African-Americans looking at what happened in Phoenix and opening wondering who exactly are these folks trying to help? Themselves? Young African-American Men and Women being Killed by Police? Violence in the African-American Urban Communities? Their Blog? Whatever Book Deal or Talking Head Cable TV spot they are trying to obtain?

REALLY! We are wondering this because:

Shouting down those who are on one side is not effective communication nor is it any type of strategy that seeks an effective solution. Could Candidates O' Malley and Sanders learned more in areas they might be un-knowledgeable about the African-American experience, sure! However, shouting, screaming and jockeying for an "Look at Me" moment is not the way to do it. Not at all.

Maybe, just maybe instead of looking like the shouting fools they were, they should have took a page from the Civil Rights Movements Playbooks still of relevance today and engaged in a sit-down protest if it was believed the message was not heard. Right there, right then in the event, walking in unison, hand by hand to the front conference room area and sat quietly with hands covering the mouths and eyes to demonstrate "You are not Seeing Our Struggle or Hearing Our Struggle".

This would have been MUCH MORE effective than the Shouting Match.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:07 AM

47. Agreed.

I would like to hear what it was they expected to accomplish. It makes no sense as a way to advance their cause.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:22 AM

50. This post was alerted

On Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:47 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Shouting down someone who agrees with you is irrational
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=458195

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

so now blacks are irrational?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:00 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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I have to agree with juror 3.

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Response to Mnpaul (Reply #50)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:37 AM

53. Thanks for this information....

And the Juries decision and I agree with Juror 3 and 6.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:12 AM

72. I have to agree with that. It's moronic to assail

a person because they say that white lives matter, after they've said black lives matter. When a person says white lives matter after they say black lives matter, they're saying there should be no difference and that black lives are just as important as white lives. That's how I see it.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:00 PM

112. Yes. nt

 

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:00 AM

4. They have to disrupt. They are in an emergency. This is the only way they have to get attention.

 

The whole system ignores them otherwise.

Just be thankful they didn't burn the place down.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:10 AM

7. Maybe they're ignored because of their rude disruptive tactics?

 

They had a meeting scheduled with Sanders...a sitting Senator and Presidential candidate...who has a sympathetic ear to their cause. They fucking blew it. Shooting yourself in the foot is no way to call attention to your cause, it just sends the message you're a buffoon.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:19 AM

13. I think it helps to put yourself in their shoes.

 

They probably don't think "they blew it". From that point of view it was a small success because the goal of this demonstration is media coverage and issue impact. The cops have to stop murdering people. That's it. Or at least that's the top demand of these protesters. Everyone should be on board with that. They want to keep their issue in the news. They are acting like it's emergency. So should everyone. I'm voting for Bernie Sanders and I support these people too because their cause is right. He should reach out to this group and still have the meeting. Find out what they want and give it to them.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:54 AM

16. Word IS.....

Sanders was scheduled to have a meeting with this Group after the Q & A Session but obviously it was cancelled after the Shoutout/Shoutdown/Just Plain Rudeness....

African-Americans killing other African-Americans is an emergency too yet, amazingly, the "Group" was not shouting about that.

There are many effective ways to get a message across but Shouting Down those willing to listen to your side of the debate is not it.

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #16)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:00 AM

67. "African-Americans killing other African-Americans is an emergency too…"

 

your slip is showing.

Amazing no one else caught your hostile comment before I did.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #67)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:11 AM

70. yup

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #67)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:14 AM

73. This is just getting unreal. I'm embarrassed by the idiotic crap

being spewed here.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #73)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:18 AM

77. Was going to alert that comment but figured Sanders' supporters on jury wouldn't agree

 

it was hostile to the point of racist AND it's better to leave the stinking pile out in the open where everyone can plainly see it for what it is.

I'm tempted to start a thread "black protestors are fame seekers, white protestors are heroes" and then call it sarcasm.

However, I promised last night to step back from that topic on DU and am going to refrain.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #77)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:20 AM

78. "black protestors are fame seekers, white protestors are heroes"

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #78)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:42 AM

87. See Post #67

And nice try, but it's a complete fail.....

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #77)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:51 AM

89. Well, I just voted to hide that filth. We'll see if the rest of the jury agrees.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #77)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:07 AM

91. You were right.

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
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Word IS.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=458245

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Limbaugh or O'Reilley would be right at home saying this.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:06 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

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Explanation: More and more Democrats and Liberals are talking about black on black murders too, precisely because #BLM. Of course when we do it, we are not trying to minimize racist white on black murders.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #91)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:12 AM

92. I am the alterter

and wish I could say I am shocked but frankly I am just saddened. It will be a miracle if we have a single African American poster left here if this keeps up. I have repeatedly warned about this type of crap happening but even I didn't see the phenomen of people being so disgusted with this forum that they refuse to serve on juries for it. That a post that could have been posted by Hannity, or Limbaugh, or O'Reilly could be left in a 1-6 vote should give people pause but it won't.

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Response to dsc (Reply #92)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:16 AM

94. Ugh, yeah, I agree with you 100%.

The only time I'm in GD: P is when I am called to a jury and each time I am reminded why I avoid it. I know this behavior and attitude is not confined to this particular forum, but you definitely see it a lot more in context of dismissing social justice issues, which is a massive point of contention between supporters of these two candidates.

It's totally shameful.

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Response to dsc (Reply #92)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:17 AM

95. Nothing here surprises me anymore. nt

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #77)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:59 PM

111. "I promised last night to step back from that topic on DU and am going to refrain."

The "mockery" you received in that other thread accomplished exactly what it was supposed to then.

This forum is in absolute shambles this morning. Folks are really showing their true colors and I don't think that anyone with melanin is the slightest bit surprised about the thick coating of BS that is blanketing GD/P right now as certain individuals break their fingers trying to pretend that Sanders' appearance was somehow a good thing and that the unruly colored folks in BLM are the real enemy.

NONE of any of this is a surprise to anyone with a clue and who's not been trying to pretend that the writing on the wall hasn't been there for some time.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #67)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:27 AM

80. It's not a slip....

This sad event occurred in our community a week and one half prior and continued, yesterday....

"A 22-year-old man related to both Keandre Duff and Keon Washington is in custody after gunmen fired shots at an Ypsilanti restaurant Saturday afternoon.

Two other men are also in custody, according to police.

The shots were fired as hundreds marched for peace through the streets of Ypsilanti. The city has been gripped by gun violence since Duff was shot and killed last weekend. He was laid to rest Saturday morning, before the rally and before the shots were fired.

Police were called to the 500 block of West Cross Street at 1:05 p.m. for a shots fired complaint, according to a press release.

Witnesses said a red Ford Focus was involved and fled west on Cross Street, then south on College Place.

Mike Country owns The Shop, a medical marijuana dispensary a few storefronts down from the restaurant. He said he was outside when the first shot was fired but then hightailed it inside.

In all, he said, five shots were fired.

Country said a group of teenagers was sitting at the tables in front of the restaurant when some other young men rounded the corner of Ballard and Cross.

"I heard someone say, 'There he is,'" Country said.

Then the shots were fired and all the teens fled.

Officers saw the vehicle near Hamilton and Michigan and eventually stopped it near East Ainsworth and Ainsworth Circle.

A 22-year-old Ypsilanti man, a 23-year-old Ypsilanti Township man and a 21-year-old Ypsilanti Township man were taken into custody."


http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2015/07/relative_of_two_ypsilanti_homi.html#incart_m-rpt-2

Keandre Duff a 20 year old African-American male died a week and one-half ago at a Block Party attended by other teenagers (about 100). It is believed his killing was in response to the murder (unsolved) of Keon Washington nearly one year ago. Duff was held as a suspect in Washington's case for 297 days but released and never formally charged. It is believed Duff's murder was in retaliation for Washington's. Both were Young African-American males.

This is what was done in response or and yes #BlackLivesMatter supporters were there:

"Cheyenne Turner joined hundreds of others in the south Ypsilanti streets in the name of peace Saturday.

The rally started soon after 20-year-old Keandre Duff was laid to rest a few miles away in a town recently plagued by gun violence.

Turner, a community support specialist at the Washtenaw County Youth Center, frequently shows the kids who are in and out of the detention center a picture of her 22-year-old brother after he was shot in the head.

"I show them pictures of his head bandaged up with his skull half off," she said. "And then I show them pictures of what he looks like today."

Turner's brother made it, but barely. He will never speak or live without assistance again.

Duff was not as lucky. He was killed after being shot in the head at a block party near the intersection of Brooks and Watling streets in the early morning hours of July 12.

Turner uses the picture of her brother as a cautionary tale, which she said is just what Ypsilanti teens need after the shooting death of Duff, previously the main suspect in the homicide of Keon Washington a year ago.

"We have to get back to being a village," Turner said. "We are the village it takes to raise these kids."

Since Duff's death, there have been several incidents of shots fired in the city of Ypsilanti and surrounding Ypsilanti Township, including a suspect opening fire on some teens in front of a restaurant in the 500 block of West Cross Street as the rally was going on. No one was injured in the incident.

The hundreds of citizens, organizations and city leaders who showed up to the rally talked about stopping just that kind of violence. They included U.S. Rep. Debbie Dingell, Mayor Amanda Edmonds, county commissioner Ronnie Peterson, members of the Eastern Michigan University basketball team, Ypsilanti school officials and officers from the Washtenaw County Sheriff's Office and Ypsilanti Police Department.

They walked the stuffy heat. As the march wound its way back to Perry Child Development Center, located 550 Perry Street, a downpour left everyone soaked.

Despite the rain, the crowd chanted, "Stop the violence, stop the violence."

"We have failed our young people," said Ypsilanti Community Schools superintendent Ben Edmondson during a six-minute speech at a gospel festival following the march. "Violence is not any (way) to solve disputes, beefs or disagreements."

Edmondson said the trend of young African American males being caught up in the cycle of violence is disturbing. He said the community needs to step up to help and nurture young kids like Washington and Duff who are getting caught up in the violence.

Ypsilanti police Lt. Deric Gress said his detectives came in off vacation and have been working 16-hour days working on leads. But people in the community need "to have the courage" to offer police information about what happened."


http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2015/07/rally_for_peace_winds_through.html#incart_river

But good job trying to frame these words into something else they were not except WHAT THEY WERE. NOT!

By the way, I personally attended, walked in the heat and rain at the Stop the Violence march -- standing along side others who are trying to form actual mentions to Stop the Violence of Young Black Males killing other Young Black Males over BS. No one was shouting (with the exception of saying Stop the Violence in Unison). Folks were talking to Politicians trying to craft solutions. In fact, individuals were equally discussing options with Police Officials trying to do the same.

It was a great event and I'm personally proud to have spend my Saturday trying to DO SOMETHING instead of Shouting Folks Down or witnessing such at Netroots Nation 2015!

By the Way, Where were you?

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #67)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:50 AM

88. I'll say.

Glad you called it out though.

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Response to msrizzo (Reply #88)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:00 AM

90. We will await a jury decision on this...

Facts be damned since it appears folks cannot scroll the thread on the downright ugly attempt to derail the message. See the post #77. Either way, thanks!

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:38 AM

36. Bernie is the one who cancelled the meeting.

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #36)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:43 AM

54. After he was shouted down....

This thread is not to down or up any candidate by the way Janey Vee I.E. "Hillary was at a Fundraiser" when there is no proof of that and "Bernie cancelled the meeting" when you failed to state why so. #FYI.....

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #54)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:46 AM

56. O'Malley stuck around. And...

 

I was just correcting the posters reason why Hillary didn't attend.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #56)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:54 AM

62. Then make sure you are correct on where Hillary was --- In Iowa Campaigning...#FYI...

"
Clinton’s decision to skip the convention did not go unnoticed, either, especially a day before Sanders is scheduled to deliver his speech in a room designed to fit more than 10,000 people.

“It’s very notable that she’s not here,” Dan O’Neal, the Arizona state coordinator for the Progressive Democrats of America, said, adding that even though the former secretary of state had been invited, “she declined to come. Martin O’Malley’s going to be here. Why shouldn’t she be here? We’re saying, ‘Hillary, where are you?’” (For the record, she’s in Iowa.)
"

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/elizabeth-warren-netroots-nation-presidential-requirements-120298.html

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #62)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:34 AM

83. No, she was in Arkansas on Saturday:

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #56)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:32 AM

81. Sanders had another event.

 

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #81)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:39 AM

84. Sanders had already scheduled his meeting with the activists.

He wouldn't have to cancel a meeting he never agreed to in the first place.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #36)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 09:33 AM

113. He didn't cancel any meeting

His delegate went and that is what was always supposed to happen. He had a rally soon after and it has always been a representative of his that was going and that is what happened.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:14 AM

10. No They Don't....

"Have to disrupt" those who are willing to listen to their side. That shows complete and utter disrespect -- and frankly cheapens the Movement they CLAIM to #RESPECT.

Key word there is "Claim" and "Respect" because its doubtful its about the movement and more about self-attention and gratification.

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:59 AM

44. It doesn't just show disrespect, it shows stupid.

The most that could have been accomplished was to make people aware that the AA community is angry about racial injustice and police profiling/brutality/murder of POCs. The people they were protesting already know this and agree that something should be done. The protesters came off looking like incompetent shitlords.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:31 AM

20. "Just be thankful they didn't burn the place down."

Because that's what BLM should do, just set shit on fire and riot right?

Are you freaking serious with this shit!?

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Response to romanic (Reply #20)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:46 AM

55. My reaction too. YGTBFKM. THEY are lucky they didn't do something so stupid.

What they did is probably counter-productive enough.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:48 AM

28. Can't tell if for real, or if Poe's Law

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:14 AM

31. I'm not buying that for a second.

Did they petition NN15 to have stage time and were turned down? Did they ask to be added on to the Agenda and were denied? If the answer to these 2 questions are "no" then there is no justification for how they handled this issue -- a HUGE issue that desperately needs to be addressed. But there is a right way and a wrong way and shouting down INVITED speakers (are we forgetting about the "invited" part?) is the wrong way. Especially since the speakers AGREE with what the disruptors were saying. But those who were hearing O'Malley and Sanders for the first time wouldn't know that because they were shouted down so no one could hear.

I'm sorry but I can't see how anyone can justify several people standing there screaming at one person and think that is effective. It makes you, and by extension, your Movement, radioactive, at least in terms of getting a hearing by the MSM. Dr. King would have never sanctioned that type of behavior. He could disagree while being respectful. These guys need to learn that or forever be relegated to fringe.


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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #31)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:55 AM

63. Thank You!!!

Correct, right and totally on Point!

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:02 PM

103. Rev. Dr. MLK, Jr. would disagree with that tactic. nt

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:03 AM

6. I have been waiting to hear about "Black Lives Matter" and the cop killings across the country

for a while...from all of the candidates. But to all of those that just want to hear what their favorite candidate is saying, it was just a distraction.

Cops are killing Black people left and right out here. It's not that what Sanders or O'Malley has to say about our bread and butter issues is not important...we just want cops to stop the killing before anything else can even be thought about. That is number one.

As far as I'm concerned this election is wide open. Until the candidates (including Hillary) can address those issues, nothing else but black lives matters right now.

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Response to Stellar (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:16 AM

11. Unfortunately....

You could not hear what Sanders or O'Malley's position was about addressing the #BlackLivesMatter movement at NN 15 because they were not allowed to speak or remotely address the question.

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:23 AM

14. I hope they keep trying....too important an issue.



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Response to Stellar (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:28 AM

33. The BLM group needs to put its anger where it will do the most good.

They should be protesting at the White House, not Netroots Nation.

Right now, the Justice Department can do the most to remedy this situation.

There needs to be federal investigation and prosecution of hate crimes by law enforcement in this country and an annual federal review of all deaths in police custody.

Any police officer who was dismissed from a police department because of racial discrimination should not be able to move on to another department and do the same thing.

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Response to PADemD (Reply #33)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:02 AM

45. "Right now, the Justice Department can do the most to remedy this situation."

^^ This. If you want immediate action, go to people who can make that happen.

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Response to PADemD (Reply #33)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:57 AM

65. Agreed!!

Thank you for saying this.

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Response to Stellar (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:49 AM

58. O'Malley tried to answer the question and they wouldn't let him speak.

There was a moment where it could have turned into a productive conversation, but BLM and their followers were too out of control to let that happen. Whether they really intentionally wanted to avoid getting an answer, or just couldn't control the crowd to shut up when a conversation could have happened, is pretty much irrelevant. They raised an issue, asked questions, didn't way for an answer. Leaving the impression that getting an answer or having a discussion about the issue is NOT what they wanted.

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:06 AM

17. it's not worth all this outrage

Even if someone disagrees with how they protested it shouldn't get the level of outrage over it considering the subject matter.


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Response to JI7 (Reply #17)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:11 AM

18. Actually....

It's not outrage as it is a call out for the fame-seeking attention grabbing "Look at Me" not the #Movement, not the #Struggle we're suppose to represent, wasted moment in time --- that is was.

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #18)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:18 AM

19. its reached a level where there is more criticism of it than the

Actual incidents of attacks on innocent black people.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #19)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:40 AM

21. When the Criticism is Justified, Yes!

These Young 15 Minutes of Instant Cable TV and News Blog Fame Seekers are not above the board -- not to be criticized.

In fact, when they show (as they did) utter and complete disrespect (which they did) towards two announced Democratic Candidates for the Democratic Nomination (that they had no problem doing), one of whom is a sitting U.S. Senator fighting against Income Inequality issues that directly leads to Racial Inequality (and that is so true) -- then YES the Criticism is Justified (and it rightfully is).

Here's the question or suggestion. Maybe these Pop-Up 15 minutes of fame seekers need to learn a little about history and in particular the #CivilRightsMovement history -- to learn disrespecting those that are willing to listen and are on your side -- gets one nowhere long-term but IGNORED.

The Civil Rights Movement did not do this, instead its leaders used strategic points of agreement with those seeing parts but not all of the struggle -- to move along the #TOTALMESSAGE.

If this melee in Phoenix is what the #BlackLivesMatter movement now represents, many African-Americans we know will want no part of it. Lucky for #BlackLivesMatter -- we recognize the game these 15 minutes of Fame Seekers are playing -- and are Ready, Willing and Able to #CallItOut for what it is.

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #21)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:58 AM

22. Agreed 100%

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #21)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:42 AM

26. +2, 100% agree

Great post. You said it well.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #19)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:54 AM

30. Really?

 

So, you think that this being the topical subject of the day means that it has surpassed, by far, the reactions caused by - to select one - the murder of Michael brown?

Is that what you really believe? 'Cause the killing of Michael Brown spurred quite a bit more negative reaction than some editorials, for quite a bit longer than a day.

But wait, you're trying to include all such murders there. Clearly you really do believe that one day of press coverage vastly surpasses what these killings got?

Or are you just hoping that the rest of us are so unfathomably stupid that your asinine rhetorical line will find purchase?

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #30)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:32 AM

51. it's only the subject of the day on this forum

Dem politicians have always had disruptors over things they support. There never was this level of outrage over it before.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #51)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 01:10 PM

102. Stick by your argument, JI7

 

You went from this fucking hogwash:
its reached a level where there is more criticism of it than the Actual incidents of attacks on innocent black people.


to this different fucking hogwash:

Dem politicians have always had disruptors over things they support. There never was this level of outrage over it before.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #102)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:13 PM

105. Why should the outrage be equal to actual attacks

On innocent black people ?

I still get a sense from many of being more outraged over this.


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Response to JI7 (Reply #105)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:18 PM

106. You "get a sense," huh?

 

No, you want that to be the case. It's your desire, unsupported by reality, that you are presenting as fact in hte hopes of poisoning the well.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #106)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:19 PM

107. it's what i see and been this way for a while

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Response to JI7 (Reply #107)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:30 PM

109. It's what you imagine and then falsely state as fact

 

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:15 AM

23. Did you write this? Because it's tone deaf as hell.

Why are you putting Tia Oso's name in scare quotes? Do you know that she is one of the earliest members of #BlackLivesMatter and a well known,well respected spokesperson? You probably shouldn't make claims to know anything about the "real #BlackLivesMatter Movement" if you don't know anything about it.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #23)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:48 AM

40. Anybody who knows anything about the movement knew this was coming for weeks

 

If you follow the right people on Twitter, you damned well knew the leaders of the movement know protesting Republicans is an exercise in fultility.

Hell, Deray spelled it out with this tweet multiple times in the past two weeks:

deray mckesson
‏@deray

For too long, presidential candidates have taken the black vote for granted. And we are determined that this will not happen on our watch.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #23)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:06 AM

69. Yes and so....

She took her moderation duties and joined in with the 15 minutes of fame seekers as a "Moderator", did she NOT? Why did she not attempt to have each candidate or the one she interviewed directly address the crowd concerns?

Why did she not allow for the candidate(s) to barely speak? Why did she not ask for or receive if asked for assistance to bring peace back into the room for a proper Q and A could take place?

Yes, the conversation could have been heated. That's not the point but, an actual conversation should have took place as many folks in that room paid good money to arrive at Netroots Nation in Phoenix to see just that --- a Q and A CONVERSATION with the Candidates!!

Do you believe otherwise? Also, Jose Vergas is just at fault or should we write "Jose Vergas" to make it even and fair to the lack of moderation across the board at this conference event with the candidates?

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #69)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:15 AM

75. Stop this tone shit. nt

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:24 AM

24. It was just a hot ass mess.

Even some of the BLM protesters were shouting down their own. Something was wrong with that group, even Tia Oso was up there smiling like "what the fuck did I get myself into".

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:38 AM

25. Bob

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:45 AM

27. This OP is painful to read.

Accusing BLM protestors of simply wanting '15 minutes of fame'? Really?

Black people being murdered and brutalized every fucking day in this country, and the author seriously thinks they just 'wanted 15 minutes of fame'?

No, that's not the 'truth' of the matter. It's one person's one-dimensional opinion. Now it may be widely shared by people who are upset that protestors chose THEIR venue to protest, just like so many motorists get upset when protestors elsewhere block roads and cause businesses to shut down, but it's still not 'the truth', any more than it would be to claim that the Ferguson protestors were merely seeking 'their 15 minutes of fame' or the OWS protestors were seeking 'their 15 minutes of fame'.

I support Bernie, because I think he truly DOES want to end the brutalization and murder of black people by police. But unless he can figure out HOW to speak to AA voters so that THEY believe he does as well, he's not going to do as well with those voters as he really needs to.

I want Bernie to win this, but he's going to have to learn to be enough of a national campaigner to tailor his framing and messaging to his audience, so that they know he's listening to them and HEARING them. He can't just keep talking about these issues as he would to all-white audiences. He's got to convince people who have no reason to simply 'trust' him, or any politician. People who have had to fight over and over for everything they've gotten from this country, who've been repeatedly used and abused by politicians, who are still constantly being harassed, attacked, murdered by agents of the government.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #27)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:14 AM

93. Yes!

Thank you. It was getting a little discouraging to read all of this.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #27)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:25 AM

96. +1000 n/t

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:54 AM

29. I'm confused. Why protest amongst people who totally support you?

A more appropriate venue would be a GOP event.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:29 AM

34. That's what I say!

Crazy & irrational to protest the people in your own corner.

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Response to RiverLover (Reply #34)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:53 AM

61. Exactly.

They should be thankful. Where's the gratitude?


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Response to Vinca (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:46 AM

39. They DO NOT "totally support" #blacklivesmatter.

 

If they had, they would have known this was coming and wold have been prepared to address the urgency of the issues.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #39)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:53 AM

42. What exactly do you want them to do, other than to not say "All Lives Matter"? /nt

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Response to RiverLover (Reply #42)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:56 AM

43. Address the issue.

 

Don't pull some bullshit excuse about economic justice fixing the problem. Rich black men are just as likely to be killed in a traffic stop as poor black men because they are black. In fact, rich black men have to buy shitty used cars or face an even bigger chance of being shot down in the streets by cops because they are driving a car that is too good for a black man to have, so of course the black man stole it in the cop's mind.

Address the real issue.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #43)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:09 AM

48. I guess addressing it in Netroots KEYNOTE speech wasn't enough. That makes sense. Protest!!!

‘Black Lives Matter': Elizabeth Warren lashes out at racism and Republicans who ‘cower’ at Donald Trump
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/black-lives-matter-elizabeth-warren-lashes-out-at-racism-and-republicans-who-cower-at-donald-trump/

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Response to RiverLover (Reply #48)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:12 AM

49. Elixabeth Warren is not a presidential candidate. eom

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #43)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:15 AM

74. So Income Inequality....

That directly leads to Racial Inequality across the board is not a #BlackLivesMatter issue? So addressing the issue of Urban decay, decline and redlining is not a #BlackLivesMatter issue? So properly trying to address Black on Black violence that caused by Urabn Decay, a Lack of Jobs/Equal Opportunities, substandard Educational Opportunities and of course White Flight is not a #BlackLivesMatter issue?

Of course the murder rate of African-American Men and Women by Police or Law Enforcement officials is a #BlackLivesMatter issue but equality all of the issues questioned in the last paragraph tie TOGETHER not SEPARATE from the overall cause. Having a singular, groupthink core focus is not the proper strategy.

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #74)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:16 AM

76. Addressing income inequality DOES NOT address the systemic racism.

 

A rich black wo/man will be shot down in the streets during a traffic stop just as easily as a poor black wo/man.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #76)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:41 AM

85. Really?

Can you give a moment thought that maybe just maybe why that Rich African-American Male or Female was shot down or murdered at the traffic stop is due to the UNFOUNDED BELIEF among some, he or she did not EARN the car they are driving in or does not DESERVE that vehicle due to their skin color? Why is that? It is because of Race AND the Income Inequality factor.

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #85)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:42 AM

86. No, it's because racism is built into the mindset of cops.

 

If you magically got rid of income inequality, the systemic racism would still be there.

It's not because they don't believe the rich black person didn't EARN the car.

It's because they don't believe the rich black person DESERVES the car.

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:25 AM

32. Bernie Sanders is not an instinctual politician.

 

He had a golden opportunity to pick up a huge amount of support in the black community if he had only directly addressed the issue then and there.

Instead he went with his canned speech.

Black Lives MATTER. People are DYING and politicians are IGNORING IT, including Saint Sanders.

I think this issue is far more urgent than anything Bernie Sanders had to say.

He will now NEVER see the support he needs in the black community. Any chance at being nominated was destroyed by HIM yesterday.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #32)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:59 AM

66. "Saint Sanders" you say?

That kind of discounts your message, ya think.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #32)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:30 PM

108. "Instinctual politicians" PANDER. Bernie Sanders does not. "Instinctual politicians" say what they

 

THINK most people want to hear in an attempt to get their vote. Bernie Sanders does not. "Instinctual politicians" will even lie in order to get elected, because "instinctual politicians" can convince themselves if a lie is necessary in order to GET the chance to lead, then the end justifies the means.

My gut feeling is MANY lies will be told by "instinctual politicians" between today and the GE. I'm fucking glad you don't think Bernie Sanders is an "instinctual politician". Are you glad Hillary Clinton IS an "instinctual politician"?

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:41 AM

37. I CAN NOT believe some of the comments here.

 

Disappointing.

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:44 AM

38. Bernie deserved what he got.

 

deray mckesson
‏@deray

For too long, presidential candidates have taken the black vote for granted. And we are determined that this will not happen on our watch.


#blacklivesmatter will be addressed or the Dem nominee will lose the general election.

IT IS THAT SIMPLE!

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #38)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:51 AM

59. So do you feel this way about Clinton?

 

Thus far she has given lip service and made mistakes with 'All lives matter'.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #38)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:08 AM

97. Curious question....

Only Bernie "deserved" what he got? What about O' Malley in YOUR opinion (not mines)? It's rather curious you mentioned Bernie Sanders and not Martin O' Malley as both Candidates were Booed by the 15 minutes of fame hecklers off the stage.

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #97)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:12 AM

99. I was responding to a post about Bernie. Yes, O'Malley deserved it too.

 

The only reason Hillary Clinton doesn't deserve it is because she was booed at that forum eight years ago, so she decided not to attend. I suspect her campaign is now prepared for such a disruption after yesterday.

She, like the others, had damned well BETTER address these issues quickly, or nobody on the Democratic side will stand a chance next year in the general election.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #38)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:34 PM

101. So a Republican wins. This works to BLM's advantage in what ways?

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Response to KoKo (Reply #101)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:53 PM

110. Crickets.........

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:05 AM

46. I get it that black people have more or less been played by Democrats in the past. They happily

take their votes but don't really do much for them. It's been that way for us white working class people lately too.

Republicans have done the same thing to the religous right for years, but lately the Teabaggers have at least grandstanded to make it look good. I remember one time Gary bauer was on with Bob Novak shortly after Gingrich and his bunch took the House. Novak was trying to talk Bauer down. Kind of just like let us get some tax cuts and a Republican in the Whitehouse and we'll see about looking at your agenda. Thanks for all the voted btw. They fall for it every time.

I don't think shouting down Sanders was a good idea. He's been a Congressman from Vermont for years. Not exactly a situation where his constituents were demanding he do much for minorities. That doesn't mean he won't. Screwing things up for Sanders does none of us any good. The "Hill People" have to be jazzed about it though.

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:56 AM

64. the link is bad. Is that from the website where banned DU'ers go to trash talk Skinner?

 

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:04 AM

68. I Agree With the Disruption

Democracy:
Isn't always "Polite, courteous and warm". Sometimes when a community, or some of our fellow Americans are in Such Social Crises and So Oppressed and So Disregarded and So ABUSED and WE...folks...WE Allowed #BlackLivesMatter to take a "back-seat" Again.
Sometimes Democray-Real Democracy is LOUD, Angry, Disruptive and Sometimes the message "we" finally hear..is Uncomfortable and humbling and Slaps our conscience. Good!
Let People Speak...The Good, The Bad, the Ugly Must be Heard and "we" who call ourselves Compassionate, Progressive and All Embracing....of "all things living" must Get Up and Walk with Our Fellow Americans when they Need Us!
Yes, I know...many do...but More of us Don't that could.

Oh, yes...I get the whole argument that there are Many Injustices in our country and Indeed our world. But..WE. who Boast our "liberalism, our progressiveness" have allowed the conversation to slide back into the way back seat.
I am led to believe...perhaps "we" don't understand the damned problem in the first place.
I Heard them. Really Heard the demonstrators. I Heard the Raw Pain in their voices. I had tears running down my face.
They are Right! Their Crises IS a National Emergency. A national Crises. And "we Criticize them??? Because Why?

How about Focusing on the Message and "feeling their knowing", discussing how WE can help Instead of criticizing the method, time and Place....for crying out Loud!

Of course ALL Lives Matter but for those who feel: "Wait, we're important too...or what about everybody else"
?"
What is Wrong with US?
Personally....that some Our Own People....HAD to use This as a Means to hopefully get OUR damned attention is kinda reveling about "us" as a whole!

This is just how I feel about it. I'm damned tired of the heartbreak and grief I feel Every time another life is maliciously and callously and with, imo...murderous Intent, taken......And I can't even, in my wildest imagination - even begin toi imagine being Forced to Exist this way in America! In America!
Take a moment, for crying out loud and SEE what WE have largely Ignored
and, therefore ALLOWED! For crying out loud FEEL this Crises WITH them! Let's try to focus on the issue - forget about the Venue!
If we Progressives can't figure this out................................
I rarely speak out on these issues. I am about as rural as you can get in my state. Admittedly, I am "not travelled and worldly" on social matters and other cultures..but I have eyes, and a Heart and I Grieve with them. I feel Powerless to stop this INJUSTICE where I am...but I have a Voice and a Phone and I am not afraid to speak up.

I don't know if I am correct in my response. I don't know if I "get it" and I mean No offense to Anyone. These are my raw emotions, my opinion based upon my observations and I am Horrified.
#SandraBland #BlackLivesMatter

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Response to fredamae (Reply #68)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:10 AM

98. Thank you for making your point....

Without throwing mud against either of the Candidates. Sadly there was more than a bit of this in this thread and that, was NOT the INTENT.

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #98)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:39 AM

100. I know it wasn't

It Is about the Issue.

We should Not allow ourselves to engage in this Distraction!

This is about a National Emergency/Crises of Injustice and the Longer we fail to Address this.....All of us...with Political Blunt Force - then More Innocent lives will be lost.....over Nothing but Hate.
I'm sick of dealing with Their Hate.
I can't imagine the quality of life for those trying to Survive "their" Hate.
Let's DO something to Make the change. Talking about it is Good...but has it's limits for Making change happen, no?

It's time to Pressure (or Replace) Every Politician and Government Official...at the City, County, State and Federal Level to Make the Change they SAY they Want, but drag their heels when They have the opportunity, imo!


All of our candidates, imo...Must hit this issue Head On and Bluntly truthful!

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Response to fredamae (Reply #68)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:11 PM

104. Excellent post! Really wonderful!

I wish you'd make it an OP!

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:12 AM

71. NN shout down is top story on CNN website.

IT MUST BE A REALLY BIG DEAL!!!!!

It wouldn't surprise me at all if somebody paid these hecklers to make trouble for HRC's competition. Not necessarily the HRC campaign itself but possibly just an anonymous wealthy supporter who wants to make sure the next President is either HRC or a Republican, who knew in advance that she wouldn't be there to suffer any damage.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #79)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:33 AM

82. Welcome

to IGNORE. Bye!

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