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maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:30 AM Jan 2012

Univisión’s Jorge Ramos To Gingrich: How Did Your Affair Differ From Clinton’s?

A sign of the times? The most comprehensive, mature, and convincing conversation Newt Gingrich has had with the media so far about his dubious personal history comes to us from Univisión, where their top journalist, Jorge Ramos, sat down for an extensive interview with the candidate released today. Ramos went where few journalists have gone before with Gingrich– a comparison of his second known affair with President Clinton’s– and got a fair and long answer.

“I take full responsibility for these questions,” Ramos began, so as to distance himself from his channel before challenging Gingrich on personal questions. “When you were Speaker of the House, you criticized President Clinton for having an extramarital affair.” “No,” replied Gingrich, “I criticized him for lying under oath in front of a federal judge, for committing perjury, which is a felony for which normal people go to jail.” Ramos continued his question, however, stating that Gingrich was doing the same thing. “I was not doing the same thing– you didn’t hear my answer.”

“Many people think that is hypocritical.” Gingrich responded that that was true because “they listen to your question, but they don’t listen to the facts.” Gingrich did not go on to attack Ramos, however, in the way one would expect him to attack, say, John King. Instead, he fleshed out his answer. “Look, I’ve been through two divorces, I’ve been deposed both times, under oath. I’m not a lawyer, and I know it’s a felony. Clinton is a lawyer, from Yale Law School, and he knew it was a felony.” When Ramos repeated that that wasn’t exactly assuaging anyone’s concerns about his character, Gingrich replied with vintage Gingrich: “somewhere here there is a synapse missing. I didn’t do the same thing; I never lied under oath.”

Ramos then left that topic and went into even murkier waters, but asked the question in a way that left him completely protected from a Gingrich attack, asking why he blamed the media for exposing the “open marriage” question, and whether he believed it to be a legitimate concern. Gingrich attacked ABC for the story, and Ramos continued, “Isn’t that a fair question about your character? That’s the kind of question that we have to ask.” Gingrich agreed. “Have I blamed you for asking? No.” He went on to explain, again, that the open marriage claim was “a lie” and then turned to the John King incident: “The CNN commentator decided to make it the first question in a national presidential debate, and I thought to myself– ‘we have unemployment, we have immigration, we have Afghanistan… and this guy thinks that this kind of trash should be the first question in a presidential debate?’”

more; http://www.mediaite.com/tv/univisions-jorge-ramos-to-gingrich-how-was-your-affair-different-from-clintons/

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Univisión’s Jorge Ramos To Gingrich: How Did Your Affair Differ From Clinton’s? (Original Post) maddezmom Jan 2012 OP
Yeah, what about that, Newt? Richardo Jan 2012 #1
I don't fully recall the whole Bill Clinton saga and it's correct sequence mazzarro Jan 2012 #2
Clinton was a lawyer SCantiGOP Jan 2012 #3
IIRC, the Reagan-appointed judge in that case 3waygeek Jan 2012 #8
Gingrich is lying atreides1 Jan 2012 #4
The thing is they should not have been able to ask the freaking question in madmom Jan 2012 #5
Yep, the question shouldn't have been asked in the first place. Beacool Jan 2012 #6
I could probably understand this issue better if I had an affair with Jorge Ramos K8-EEE Jan 2012 #7

mazzarro

(3,450 posts)
2. I don't fully recall the whole Bill Clinton saga and it's correct sequence
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:47 AM
Jan 2012

Most of the condemnation by rePIGlicans was centered on the television clip of Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sexual relation with that woman..." and that occurred during what I thought was an interview by a media personality. Did Clinton openly lie to the grand jury or was it the case that he did not directly answer the question?

I ask this because I think Newt is trying to shade is case a bit using Clinton as cover - IMO. He is trying to deflect the severity of the own failings by pointing attention to lying rather adultery and the and consequent divorces.

SCantiGOP

(13,862 posts)
3. Clinton was a lawyer
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:59 AM
Jan 2012

And he knew when he was in front of the grand jury that the laws of Washington DC applied. It was established case law that in DC 'sexual relations' was defined as intercourse. Since his involvement with Lewinsky involved only oral sex, it was technically the truth to say he had never had sexual relations with her. It was obviously a somewhat dishonest semantic difference, but it did not meet the standard of perjury before a grand jury.

3waygeek

(2,034 posts)
8. IIRC, the Reagan-appointed judge in that case
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 06:32 AM
Jan 2012

also ordered all testimony related to Lewinsky stricken. If that's the case, nothing in that testimony could be considered perjury. Perjury is a lie or knowing misrepresentation about material facts -- stricken testimony is by definition immaterial.

atreides1

(16,064 posts)
4. Gingrich is lying
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 11:04 AM
Jan 2012

Maybe he just forgot about this part of the marriage vows "... and forsaking all others, be faithful only to her so long as you both shall live?"

madmom

(9,681 posts)
5. The thing is they should not have been able to ask the freaking question in
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:10 PM
Jan 2012

the first place. It was sex between two consenting adults, in other words, none of their damned business!

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
6. Yep, the question shouldn't have been asked in the first place.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:36 PM
Jan 2012

And Bill should have refused to answer it.

K8-EEE

(15,667 posts)
7. I could probably understand this issue better if I had an affair with Jorge Ramos
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 12:21 AM
Jan 2012

LOL I have had a crush on him since high school which was a LONG time ago....he was our local (KMEX) reporter before being national w/Univision. Newt looks like a garden gnome sitting by Jorge!!

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