PPP Poll (D) HRC +35

[DemocratSinceBirth]

PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls 5h5 hours ago
Hillary was up 35 on our national poll last month and she's up 35 on our national poll this month- IA/NH really on their own track

https://twitter.com/ppppolls?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[Cry]

1. National polls?

It's not the general yet. It's the primaries. National polls are currently irrelevant at this point. Wait until it gets closer to GE, then you'll see the numbers, otherwise. Oh, and it continues showing her downward trends. 3 months ago it was 60 points over Bernie. Now you're touting 35 points? Way to prop a poor candidate.

[shenmue]

3. Yeah, poor candidates have 35-point leads

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Your interlocutor's candidate

Your interlocutor's candidate has as much chance of beating HRC as Andre Berto has of beating Floyd Mayweather a week from Saturday.

[frylock]

50. September: Yeah, poor candidates have 25-point leads

October: Yeah, poor candidates have 15-point leads

[Logical]

87. Lol, she lost a 30 point lead in 2008! nt

[roguevalley]

58. if she loses Iowa and new Hampshire nothing will follow the way it stands now. she can't lose them a

Be 'the' candidate.

[MADem]

84. Bill Clinton lost Iowa and New Hampshire.

He lost Iowa by coming in BEHIND Tom Harkin, Paul Tsongas and "uncommitted."

Didn't seem to hurt him, did it?

[JDPriestly]

99. Tom Harkin was a favorite son in Iowa. That's not a relevant comparison.

[MADem]

102. He also lost to uncommitted and Paul Tsongas. It IS a relevant comparison. nt

[roguevalley]

116. and you expect that will follow? That was before all the shit storms they both went through

including her willingly or not. Nothing follows just because it happened once. Everyone in the country is too pissed off now at everyone.

[MADem]

117. I'm saying that IA and NH aren't as important as people make them out to be.

They serve to get rid of candidates without money, is all they do. Half the GOP clown car will drop away after those two contests, because they'll have shot their bankrolls on those pricey ads in those two venues. The Greater Boston media market (which serves southern NH--where most of the voters are) ain't cheap.

The shit starts happening on Super Tuesday. And that's when people who look like America vote.

[Tommy2Tone]

94. Just silly..

If Bernie were up by 35 you would be doing hand stands.

[hrmjustin]

2. We should do multiple ops rejoicing about this like they did for the Iowa poll the other day.

[morningfog]

6. They? You're better than that.

[hrmjustin]

7. I feel so ashamed!

[morningfog]

8. I guess I was wrong!

[hrmjustin]

12. Yeah I am just a rotten rat bastard for using the word they.

Shame on me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. When in Rome, do like the Romans.

eom

[morningfog]

19. Yeah, they are insufferable pricks.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. Projection

[morningfog]

27. Love Jung. Palahnuik too.

[hrmjustin]

23. Lol.

[morningfog]

18. Maybe you forgot you weren't in the club house?

[hrmjustin]

22. Then leave me alone.

[sheshe2]

21. Lol~Did you eat your...

Wheaties this morning justin?

[hrmjustin]

25. Just got out of limbo and expect the baiting to continue.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Anybody can do a search... I encourage them to...

This board is replete with Sanders celebratory threads. I see them, bite my tongue, and leave em alone... If his supporters can't extend that courtesy to us that's their problem.

Ain't nobody going to turn me around.

[hrmjustin]

30. You would think I committed a grievous sin by mentioning that and using they.

You can't make this up.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. They don't like the poll so they are taking it out on you/us.

They should direct their ire here:


http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/aboutPPP/about-us.html

[hrmjustin]

37. Yep.

[Cry]

44. State polls are more relevant for the primaries, not national poll

It is not a popularity contest. The way you promote it shows it exactly like that.

And p.s., popularity doesn't even vote. Rationale does.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. Homogeneous NH and IA are as representative of a heterogeneous nation

Homogeneous NH and IA are as representative of a heterogeneous nation as Grosse Pointe is of Michigan, Sutton Place is of New York City, Palm Beach is of Florida , and Beverly Hills is of Greater Los Angeles...

As I said Bernard Sanders has as much chances of wresting the nomination from Hillary Clinton as Andre Berto has of wresting the pound for pound championship from Floyd Mayweather.


#lol@me

[Cry]

67. Just making excuses ahead of the expected crash and burn?

Okay. Whatever excites you. I'm just being brutally honest.

It will be a domino effect even Clinton cannot stop.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

70. I almost spit out my water on my new computer...

Your candidate has as much chance of wresting the Democratic nomination from Hillary Clinton as the Philadelphia Seventy Sixers have of hoisting the Larry O'Brien trophy next June or Winona Ryder getting in the Octagon with Ronda Rousey and emerging victorious.

[Cry]

73. You grossly underestimate the power of the people-powered political revolution

Just hope you don't miss the ride when it's time to ride the wave.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

74. My opinions are informed by the facts. Some folks reverse the process much to to their detriment.

eom

[Cry]

75. *shrug* if you buy the Third Way bunk as facts, then it's your loss. eom

[DemocratSinceBirth]

76. It really has nothing to do with my preference.

It really has nothing to do with my preference and every thing to do with a sober and dispassionate review of the facts.


God bless Senator Sanders. His support is a mile deep and an inch wide.

[Cry]

77. Really? 98% of his support is because it is his ideas and policies, and 2% is anti-Hillary

It's rock solid - as in 5 miles deep, and 5 miles wide. And will only get bigger.

On the other hand, recent poll on her unfavorable was at 63%. I've asked before and no-one ever seem to want to answer that question: When was the last time a Democratic nominee with a high unfavorable won the Presidency?

It should be easy enough to look at.

[jfern]

78. 3rd way would rather lose with a 3rd wayer

than win with a liberal. It's that simple. They don't care about her high unfavorables.

[Cry]

80. That's why the Third Way (and Clinton) are in a bubble

and they fail to understand why we are not backing Clinton this time around. She's a loser, and a lot of Americans agreed in 2008, and will agree again in 2016.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

79. Her favorable/unfavorable is 44/47

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/clinton_favorableunfavorable-1131.html


Believe what you want... I will put money where my mouth is....Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee ...

[jfern]

81. She's 41.2-50.8 on Huffington, which uses more and newer polls

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

That RCP average is skewed by some junk ABC poll from 2 months ago

[DemocratSinceBirth]

83. REDUX

We are at an impasse... I will offer a way to break the impasse. Believe what you want... I will put money where my mouth is....Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee ..

[jfern]

85. A nominee whose favorables are 9.6 points underwater is bad news

[DemocratSinceBirth]

86. REDUX (2)

Believe what you want... I will put money where my mouth is....Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee ..

[Cry]

90. Really?

Methinks you're quite behind... (about a month, by the looks of you using the Suffolk University poll)



(clickable graphics)

To be fair, Qunnipac shows Clinton +12 unfavorable, and Morning Consult showed a +8 unfavorable, so YMMV.

Qunnipac - 39% favorable, 51% unfavorable, with 10% undecided

Morning Consult - 44% favorable, 52% unfavorable with 4% undecided

- and let's compare with Bernie's numbers, using the same information....



Qunnipac - 32% favorable, 28% unfavorable with 40% undecided

Morning Consult - 35% favorable with 30% unfavorable with 34% undecided

Which shows +5 favorable and +4 favorables.. One notable is what % has already decided about Clinton as opposed to Sanders. He still has more upside than Clinton.

So your arguments no longer holds water regarding that favorable.. She is still unfavorable and /INCREASING/. So I ask again, when was the last Democratic nominee won the Presidency with such high unfavorable?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

92. You are basically telling me I don't know what I am talking about which is your right...

As I have said, ad nauseum and ad infinitum, Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee and I am willing to put my money where my mouth is...

As to her unfavorables, she still leads all her presumptive Republican opponents in the nat'l polls and she leads her Democratic opponents by twenty five points...

Hillary is like Rasputin...She has been pilloried by the press for six straight months and she's still standing...

We are back to where we started...

Bernie Sanders has as much chance pf wresting the Democratic nomination from Hillary Clinton as John Goodman has of wresting the Mr. Olympia title from Phil Heath...

[calimary]

53. Amen to that!

Double standard, much?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. This one is giving them agita.

Let em take it out on me. At this point I couldn't care less!!!

[sheshe2]

46. ....

[hrmjustin]

47. Thank you.

[okasha]

39. Why, you certainly should be!

Using the normal third-person plural like that! And IN PUBLIC!! On the Intertubes, where they'll be reading it on Alpha Centauri II someday. For the love of God, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!

[hrmjustin]

40. Mea Culpa!

[Tommy2Tone]

93. Me too

[hrmjustin]

95. I didn't realize they was an insult.

[Tommy2Tone]

97. I agree that's why I supported you.

[hrmjustin]

98. I know.

Just lamenting.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. And this poll

Among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton appears to have arrested her summer slump. Clinton leads the Democratic field with 52 percent of the vote, 29 points ahead of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.).


http://morningconsult.com/2015/08/trump-clinton-lead-primary-matchups-bush-ties-carson-for-runner-up/

[VanillaRhapsody]

71. And still has a 73% odds of winning

Sanders...12%

[DemocratSinceBirth]

72. 74%, compadre

http://www.predictwise.com/

[VanillaRhapsody]

103. even better!

[LondonReign2]

29. EVERY positive Hillary poll is touted here

[hrmjustin]

32. As is every positive Sanders one is. My point was that tthere were a lot about the same poll.

[LondonReign2]

36. Well I agree. My point was there is thread after thread after thread about Hillary's

standing in the polls. It isn't surprising when Bernie supporters do the same thing.

[jfern]

65. Nope, didn't see this one here

http://polling.reuters.com/

[hrmjustin]

69. The poll has not been released. This was from the firm's Twitter account.

[Logical]

88. Your remember the 30 point lead she lost in 2008? Lol! Nt

[hrmjustin]

89. Yes.

[Gothmog]

106. That is an amusing concept

[sheshe2]

4. KnR!

[morningfog]

5. No change nationally at 5 months out, not really news.

[Cha]

10. LOve it! Mahalo DSB!

[GitRDun]

11. I don't think this poll is necessarily irrelevant

Bernie needs to make inroads with non-white voters. No increase tells me he needs to get busy.

[FloridaBlues]

13. Being up by 35 again nationally is just like a horse race don't cha know

[morningfog]

16. I can't wait to hear Hillary's back to back concession speeches

to start the primaries come January. THEN we can talk horse race.

[okasha]

43. Horse race?

Bernie's a steady old pony ready to be put out to pasture. Hillary's a high-bred warmblood mare in her prime.

[AlbertCat]

54. Hillary's a high-bred warmblood mare in her prime.

With so much baggage in her saddlebags, she can hardly move.

Actually.... what are you talking about???? A mare in her prime? What?

[okasha]

61. Horses, Albert. Horses.

I have no idea where you're from, but here in Texas we appreciate them.

[beam me up scottie]

110. I own a high bred Warmblood mare who's in her prime and she resents the comparison.

Hillary is only a few years younger than Bernie, she's hardly a filly.

[1StrongBlackMan]

82. And despite my support of M O'M ...

I can't help but acknowledge, she is out distancing both M O'M and Bernie ... loaded saddlebags and all.

[AlbertCat]

111. she is out distancing both M O'M and Bernie

I think she's running on name recognition, and others are catching up fast over time.... and there is a lot of time to go.

[1StrongBlackMan]

112. You have a pretty low estimation of people ...

the national "name recognition" deficit argument works with HRC vis-à-vis M O'M, a candidate with a 15 year political/public presence in a relatively small East Coast state ... But it doesn't work, so much, for a candidate that has been a out-spoken 30+ year member of Congress ... there is a huge difference between being a Mayor/Governor and being a US Senator.

[AlbertCat]

113. being a Mayor/Governor and being a US Senator.

But she still lost the last primary.

[1StrongBlackMan]

114. The Senator I'm referring to is Bernie. M O'M can use the name recognition argument ...

Bernie cannot ... Or, if he does ... what does that say about his 30+ years in Congress.

[GitRDun]

26. maybe so

I was just thinking the sample might be more diverse than an iowa or nh poll

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. As in my analogy right on top of yours.

eom

[Jamaal510]

51. Yup.

HC could've been up by 50 or even 100 points, but instead it's just 35. Her campaign is ruined. It said so on CNN.

[freshwest]

14. Slow and steady... BTW, is that Bill Clinton with Ali in your last pic? Love all these. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Enjoy this story, bro!

"Did Barbra Streisand Whup Sonny Liston?"


http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/did-barbra-streisand-whup-sonny-liston

[freshwest]

66. Wow! What an honor to be called Muhammad Ali's friends! Thanksfor the link! n/t

[1StrongBlackMan]

33. But that is "National Polling" we hold elections on a state by state basis ...

where did I hear that before? ... That's right, Carly F. said it ... defending her 5% national polling numbers.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. It is obvious why IA and NH are anomalies and this approach won't change it

[Thinkingabout]

38. Yes if Hillary loses in Iowa and NH that will net 100 delegates, Hillary already has the endorsement

To get more super delegates and someone would still be searching for delegates. And no, there will not be a coronation for the winners of Iowa and NH. On NH, Jean Shaheen will be introducing Hillary this weekend along with saying she is endorsing Hillary. Things may change in NH very soon.

[ismnotwasm]

41. Woot!

K&R

[ericson00]

45. but she should still drop out

n/t

[Fred Sanders]

48. What does not kill Hillary, certainly not anything served by McGazhi Media, will only make her stronger.

Congratulations to Sanders for his strong Iowa and NH numbers and equal salutation to Clinton for the unaffected by fake scandal national numbers, to both for their clear system to to media they will not engage in the media desired juvenile discussion - and to the public for not buying into the media lies...we have a stable full of thoroughbred horses lined up against the GOP pack of nags.

[frylock]

52. It's in the bag..

she's got that national primary vote all sewn up.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. " It's in the bag."

" It's in the bag."

I always knew you were a perspicacious gentleman despite your best efforts to conceal it.

[left-of-center2012]

57. Polls don't matter

Seems I've seen that post recently.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

60. Link please

Thank you in advance.

[BainsBane]

59. What happened to her "flailing"?

"Sinking in the polls," etc? Hmm. Despite this onslaught of negative press, she continues to be popular among Democrats.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

68. Patience grasshopper!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

96. Six months of negative press....

A lesser candidate would have given up.

[cheapdate]

62. I'd love to see Bernie Sanders get the Democratic nomination.

I think that a president who stands up to the rich and powerful would put the country on a better footing. If Hillary Clinton wins the nomination, and she probably will, then I'm behind her 100%.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

64. You are a true gentleman or lady.

eom

[SheilaT]

63. As others have pointed out, a national poll

this far out, when there are still all those primaries and caucuses to get through, may not be the most accurate way to assess who will get the nomination.

in 2008 Barack Obama managed to play the system to garner more delegates than Hillary. Her people tried to yell "foul!" but he was following the same rules she had to play by.

It is state by state, caucus by primary by caucus, until one candidate racks up enough delegates to win the nomination. Every cycle people salivate over the possibility of a brokered convention for one party or the other, but that's highly unlikely to happen ever again. In addition, about halfway through the delegate selection process, people stop voting for the candidate they might most prefer, and start going for the one who looks most likely to be the eventual nominee.

Which is why Iowa and New Hampshire are so unfairly crucial. Meanwhile, the many millions who live in states that won't have primaries/caucuses until March or later, are just barely beginning to pay real attention to the candidates.

[leftofcool]

104. Nope. Bill lost both Iowa and NH. They aren't that crucial.

[Cry]

107. This isn't 1992.

What 2016 has, 1992 never had. And Hillary loses both Iowa and NH, people *WILL* know by then and dump her like a hot potato.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

91. Up from zero both times?

[Ron Green]

100. This contest between Clinton and Sanders is a test for America.

We could yet fail it.

[slipslidingaway]

101. When are the Dems going to have debates broadcast nationally ...

many people think there is only one Dem nominee of consequence?

Our party sucks at 'being Democratic'

[Gothmog]

105. These are great numbers for HRC

[Tom Rinaldo]

108. Iowa and NH are where voters are exposed to Bernie.

With all election coverage going to Trump, and with talk about Hillary dominating mattes on the Democratic side - with a side of Biden speculation - the national electorate in general still doesn't get to see much about Bernie. The fact that Bernie has risen so much in Iowa over a few months shows what exposure can do, it's not like he on the surface anyway is a natural match for heartland voters.

[SonderWoman]

109. K&R!

[livetohike]

115. K&R

[riversedge]

118. You go gal.

[riversedge]

119. Holding steady