Bernie Sanders Claims His Supporters Aren’t ‘Anti-Clinton’ – Many Proceed To Prove Him Wrong

[applegrove]

Bernie Sanders Claims His Supporters Aren’t ‘Anti-Clinton’ – Many Proceed To Prove Him Wrong

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/bernie-sanders-claims-supporters-arent-anti-clinton-many-proceed-prove-wrong/

"SNIP..............


I’ve come across several people who said they were open to voting for Sanders, despite their reservations about him being a democratic socialist (believe it or not, there are a lot of moderate/conservative Democrats who aren’t exactly eager to support someone who identifies as a “socialist” of any type) who’ve said they’re reconsidering that now because of the hostile run-ins they’ve had with some of his supporters. Do I agree with that logic? Of course not.

As I’ve said numerous times, there’s far too much at stake in 2016 to act this petty about the eventual Democratic nomination. The number one goal of everyone on the left has to be to keep Republicans from winning the White House next year. While I support Clinton now, that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t support Sanders (or even Biden) if either were to ultimately win the nomination. Because no matter what anyone might think of any of these candidates, every single one of them is a thousand times better than anyone from the Republican party.

So, to those Sanders supporters who understand that, I want to say thank you. Especially those calling out your fellow Sanders supporters for some of their sounds-a-lot-like-Fox News-rhetoric they’ve been spewing lately. As liberals, we all need to be united by one cause heading into 2016: Stop Republicans from winning.

There’s absolutely no reason why someone has to be anti-any candidate just because they prefer one over the other. Support your candidate, engage in some great political discourse over the next few months, and when the nomination is all said and done – come together to make damn sure Republicans don’t take back the White House.



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[Autumn]

1. I'm not anti Hillary, but when her supporters go on to complain about his supporters

I don't think they can claim the high ground. I am very much pro Bernie, because I know he will look out for my interests. Be the change and all that yada yada yada.

[SonderWoman]

3. His own supporters complain about his supporters.

[Autumn]

5. I haven't seen one yet. eom

[SonderWoman]

6. Besides the numerous articles and videos?

[Autumn]

9. I have no interest in watching a video of some guy slamming Bernie supporters.

Not interested at all.

[FrodosPet]

60. My sympathies

Being criticized never feels good. But sometimes, the criticism is helpful, and helps us grow.

Please consider the benefits of an open mind.

[Autumn]

66. I've done nothing that I need be criticized for.Thanks for your concern though. eom

[bettyellen]

84. so- it's you refuse to look at it- not that you haven't been shown it. Because we could give you

another dozen links, but it seems like you want to stick your fingers in your ears.

[Autumn]

86. You watch it, once again I'm not interested in it. I don't know who he is and I'm not interested

in his opinion of Bernie supporters.

[bettyellen]

95. well that explains why you can say you haven't "seen any yet"- because you refuse to look. LOL.

Seen dozens here myself, and would bet you were in many of those threads too.

[Autumn]

99. I don't know him. He isn't a member of DU, he doesn't post in our group. Not interested in his

opinion. For all I or you for that matter know he's not a Sanders supporter. Some have said they are but they out themselves sooner or later. I can't get any clear than that. Bet on whatever you want, it's irrelevant to me but feel free to look.

[Skwmom]

20. How far will people go to win an election?

Very far from what I'm seeing. First of all, just because someone says they are a Bernie Sanders supporter does not make it so. Secondly, there were MANY Black Americans who spoke out against what transpired in Seattle.

I have surfed the net and the bitter hatred that I have seem directed at Bernie Sanders makes absolutely no sense, unless you put it in a political lense and remember based on historical actions some campaigns are willing to do ANYTHING to win an election.

[aikoaiko]

76. Its interesting all these people say they "like Bernie" but never say they are voting for him

And then attack supporters who defend Bernie's record on Civil Rights. I suspect their "liking" is convenient.

Somehow, Bernie Sanders can be criticized, Sander's supporters can be criticized, but #BLM tactics can never be criticized.

[SonderWoman]

2. Obviously this author reads DU.

[delrem]

7. This is parody, right? Right?

[applegrove]

10. Will you vote for Hillary if Bernie loses?

[delrem]

13. A loyalty oath! WoW!

pssst. I'm Canadian.
So, was your OP parody? Or was it straight?
I'm grinning ear to ear in anticipation of your answer.

[applegrove]

18. I wanted to see if they fit into the article. Then it could not be a parody.

[MoveIt]

26. Loyalty Oaths are fun

Will you vote for Bernie if Hillary and being able to plot polls over time and extrapolation ends up being a thing?

[applegrove]

30. Absolutely I would vote for Bernie. If I could vote. Which I can't because

I'm Canadian. But you can bet I'll vote for whichever left party looks like they can win the Canadian election in October. I don't want to see neocons in power again.

[MoveIt]

37. Good Luck in October !

SIGNED a Canada-lovin US American.

[applegrove]

48. Looks like it will be a minority government with the left - center left

holding the balance of power. Thanks.

[DemByDefault]

8. -yawn-

I see almost nothing here on du from the pro Clinton camp that focuses on promoting your candidate. For at least a month now it's been nothing but beating the same dead horse about how awful the other guys supporters are. Projectionism much?

[jfern]

12. They promote her by saying she's up in the polls

But that's really it.

[hedda_foil]

22. Not really. They also say...

She is "well qualified" and "she can win " (and Bernie isn't? )

Oh ... those aren't issues either, are they?

[MoveIt]

11. watch the recs

[BklnDem75]

92. Rec'd for this post... nt

[MoveIt]

93. you are in good company

Stir it up!

[Bobbie Jo]

108. Rec.

Is this where we check in?

[1StrongBlackMan]

15. Yep. And posted to for later. n/t

[Cha]

16. BS doesn't know "his supporters" then. &, Of course they will deny they're "anti-Clinton".

[Armstead]

23. By definition they're "anti-Clinton" just as Clinton supporters are "anti-Sanders"

That's kinda politics.

As to "anti-Clinton" in large terms -- against the GOP I'm pro Clinton if given no choice. But don't much like the faction of what and who she represents. We've suffered from Corporate Insider Government and Politics for too long.

[Cha]

29. Exactly.. so what does BS think he's talking about.

[Armstead]

58. They (we) are also "pro" his ideas and record

It's not simply what they (we) are against but what we (and he) are for.

[Z_California]

34. Yeah, because "they" are all the same, right?

This will not be a winning strategy.

[Fawke Em]

38. There you are.

Again, I ask... why are you against the pipeline and pro-Clinton? I'd like to know.

[beam me up scottie]

43. That's a VERY good question.

I'd like to hear the answer to that myself.

Why does a person who is so concerned about the environment support the pro-fracking candidate?

[kenfrequed]

87. As one of his supporters

I think it is poor form to just use 'BS' as a short hand for him. I think it upsets supporters of Sanders and I know that you are aware of it because I have politely asked you to stop doing it before.

But of course only Bernie supporters have been bad actors this year.

[beam me up scottie]

17. Oh yay, another Bernie is okay but his supporters suck op.

[virtualobserver]

27. we need to create a "Bernie supporters are so bad" OP chart to track the number per day

[beam me up scottie]

28. It's amazing what HC supporters think qualifies as political discourse.

If they spent half as much time discussing the issues as they do smearing Bernie's supporters people might actually take them seriously.

Bashing another candidate's supporters 24/7 isn't a very good way to promote yours.

[whatchamacallit]

19. Allen Clifton is a douchebag

stoking the Bernie Devils/Hillary Angels myth.

[rhett o rick]

21. I am anti-Iraq War promoter. Those of you that can ignore the cost of Hillary Clinton's

mistake are in some other world. How many innocent children were killed? How many of our troops were killed? How many were wounded? How many are in the streets begging for a sandwich? Hillary Clinton turned her back on Democratic principles and bowed down to the Republicons. She bowed down to George Bush of all people. She either believed his lies or agreed with his plan to kill Iraqis by the thousands. She now says it was a mistake. Some of us were screaming at the time that it was a mistake. How can you trust the intelligence from Republicons? And what cost to Americans economically? Trillions lost but not for her. Her wealth grew while our middle and lower classes died. She is among the 1%.

[AtomicKitten]

64. I thought of that vote when I saw this refugee's body recovered.

A child among four drowned fleeing the clusterfuck created as a result of that immoral, politically expedient vote, the repercussions of which still resonate like a horrible echo.

[rhett o rick]

74. How do people completely put aside the damage cause by the Iraq War and support

H. Clinton like she is the only choice. How does one rationalize away the horrible deaths of tens of thousands of innocent children in Iraq and the displacement of probably a million? I am bitter, very bitter. I watched the discussions of the vote counting on Democrats to at least call out the insanity of the war. Tom Daschle did an excellent job of detailing everything wrong with going to war with Iraq. But the bastard then bowed before Bush as did other Democrats, as if Bush were king. Those Democrats that bowed before King George betrayed their constituents, their party, their country, their troops and the Iraqi people. They might not have been able to stop the illegal and immoral invasion, but they should have tried.
The Democrats lost a lot of respect when they bowed down before King George.

[nadinbrzezinski]

88. Syria and the current refugee crisis is a direct consequence of this

don't forget that.

[ibegurpard]

24. I've heard

That they've taken to running down Hillary supporters in their Volvos.
Is there any length to which they won't sink???

[beam me up scottie]

25. While wearing raccoon costumes and sipping lattes.

[JackInGreen]

46. Don't forget

Cruel flaunting of their elite privilages.


I just want to know when I get my racoon costume, free pegasus rainbow latte card, and volvo. I'm sick of riding the bus.

[beam me up scottie]

47. Me too!

My 20 year old Saturn is on its last legs... er wheels.

And don't forget free college, that's the only reason millenials are voting for Bernie!

FREE STUFF!!!

[AgingAmerican]

31. Projecton

nt

[applegrove]

35. Are you saying Hillary supporters target Bernie at every turn? You do know that

Hillary supporters are so hen pecked that they have retreated.

[nadinbrzezinski]

85. Look, I have been called quite nasty names by two supporters of HRC here on this site

I do not blame the campaign... I do not blame Hillary, nor do I say it is nasty HRC supporters. Just those two.

If a few Sanders people are doing that SHAME ON THEM. But I have experienced that by two HRC supporters. I have not been hen pecked. I was ready to leave this place. After all being called mentally insane and racist was quite nasty. And I do not even support jack or shit, ok.

Yesterday I posted an OP (which of course was locked, and that is another point of clarity for me regarding DU, somebody wants this civil war), asking people to cool their jets, because everybody is guilty, This OP of yours is part of the problem.

At this point I will just take notes, If this silliness splits the party... so be it. It will be news worthy.

[Luminous Animal]

32. Yay! Another Bernie supporters are poopie heads post! 'Some people say' that "many"...

Gotta love the Fox News model of reporting.

It could me "many" or it could be "some" but we don't actually know! Because we just cruised around the internet and noticed some (or maybe many) anonymous comments that might be Anti-Clinton or (crazy thinking here) Pro-Bernie. Wait. What. Pro-Berrinie? Must be Anti-Hillary.

[JackInGreen]

71. I wonder

can we get a new definition of bullshit pronouns? the 'some say' and 'there are people that' and 'I've heard from a few...' etc etc?

[Z_California]

33. Can't dig up dirt on your opponent?

Then make it about your opponent's supporters.

[Cha]

39. BS' supporters have done that all by themselves.. no one is making up shite.

[Trajan]

62. I used to respect you

This is what I did all by myself ... you are now gone ...

[eridani]

36. Yet another conflation of issues with personality

I oppose the following, and would prefer that our nominee did also

--endless war
--Keystone XL
--TPP
--the death penalty
--militarized policing
--chained CPI and other benefits cuts
--coddling banksters and fucking over homeonwers
--Citizens United
--welfare "reform"
--media consolidation
--our outlandish percent of people in prison

The fucking idiot OP seems to think that Faux News is in favor of those things. OK, some Sanders supporters overdo the email bullshit, but I and others have called them out for it.

[eridani]

50. Was sent an alert notice. Note that the idiot designation is for the actual author, not the person-

--who just reposted it. Sorry for not making that clearer.

[artislife]

40. Very nice..all about your feelings

Wish I could care..but there is a planet imploding and I don't care if it is somebody's turn. Because that person doesn't seem to get the immediacy of the situation.

[Cha]

41. Thanks for the truth, apple.. they can't handle that, so try to deflect. not working.. too obvious

[applegrove]

42. I love the way none of them can say they would support

Hillary if she wins the nomination. We would all support Bernie if he won. Why are they so afraid to say they'd support the democratic nominee? Why don't they want to type that into the record? Or for the word to spread that that is what any good democrat should do.

[Cha]

49. Yeah, I really think about what they'd do when Hillary wins. I never counted on them anyway. I know

Millions of People will Vote for her.

We Will Win!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

44. I'm anti-clinton and a Bernie supporter.

[JackInGreen]

45. Keeeep trying

I see more "bernie supporters are horrible (insert meme of the day) and want to power the government with unicorn farts" And self congratulatory "aren't we on the better side with Hillary because it's X or Y or Z thats important" (rarely policy) Then I see serious issues discussions out of the hillary 'side' of our 'side' than I see anything horrendously offensive from the Bernistas, but don't let that stop you from troping all over the place.

[Ed Suspicious]

51. Oh man! Come on, Bernie supporters. Let's get it together.

I told everyone at the meeting to stop doing it, and what did you fuckers do? You went and did it again, that's what you did.

Dang it all.

[jfern]

52. Most Sanders supporters are going to be more pro-Sanders than anti-Hillary

It's simple, he's a candidate who can be trusted and has pretty good views on the issues.

[Warren DeMontague]

53. Some Hillary people seem positively fucking obsessed with Sanders' supporters.

I guess that's one way to while away the time, instead of comparing the substantive policy proposals- or lack thereof- of the different candidates.

[PATRICK]

54. An interesting thread would be

rating the historic "tone" in general of various primary candidacies through the years. The more "mainstream" or "frontrunner" cadndiacies tend to be royally entitled, arrogant(aggressively so), etc. White Knight candidates(deliberately considered such because mud has a spectacular effect on the Don Quixote meme) tend to "rise above" with civilized nobility, issue zeal but succumbing to the corrupting effects of seeking frontrunner status. There, I split them, rather suspiciously, into two types when the campaigns have a wider range.

Not to excuse anyone but the worst complaints about any supporters tend to ignore the universality and inevitability of wearily reliving the primary political struggle. Some supporters and groups will get angry, defensive, gloating, subtle, imaginative, snide, dismissive, unrealistic in any campaign. Suspect outside manipulation? That will happen too. Tarring the candidate with the mud slung below? Especially that. Considering how low the GOP has set the bar everything looks polite and noble in comparison up to a point. Winners tromp down losers in order to gain the final win. Losers are angrily aggrieved. People begin to get discouraged with the whole process(winner: tyranny).

I am more concerned(as is any challenging candidate supporter with a shot)
that we are forgetting the real damage is the targeting of the candidate. Turning off the valid enthusiasm of other choice candidate supporter groups is in the long run stupid, though it might be inevitable in the short run. Tarring candidates helps the GOP for whom all standards except their distracting banner of hate have been abandoned. In my generation, insurgent progressive or reformers received the White Knight or Boy Scout treatment whereas a malevolent crooks or simply over-compromisers are reliably tough to assuage fears. Fears about their winning potential and the willingness to do dirty things to project power and security.

Meanwhile the dangerous virtue of taking attacks on the "perfection" of a reformer seriously and calmly is almost as a bad as going ballistic at every perceived insult.

So what is the Sanders general tone as it honestly relates to the candidate himself? Not to engage in personal attacks and concentrate on issues more important than the contest, even though almost all supporters are not as good as the candidate(which is a historical switch for the most part). To have the same exagerrated enthusiasm for the contest process and doting over the champion as anyone ever has and always will have. To rapidly succumb to the temptations when there seems to be real ammo or concern within the undignified mud. Passion precedes justification. Because that is what people rising against a frontrunning situation do. Purity of intent and general good behavior be damned.

Politics. The GOP has thrown away their own book of etiquette. Books of etiquette are for general order against the natural behavior of the masses. Really, how successful has that kind of law and order ever been? How successful is even Law nowadays?

Trying to do better is all.

The tone of the Hillary campaign it seems to me is not only similar to most past frontrunners but unintentionally subdued perhaps by the SAME barrage of tearing down attacks. What does choking mean? It means the imagining of losing begins fear in the gut and spreads it into response and performance regardless of any brave intent or logic. That is why Dem candidates are generally "tougher" but have trouble getting the prize.

[Warren DeMontague]

55. You make a bunch of really good points.

Speaking of elevating the tone of the debate.

I think some of what we've been seeing is slow-news, dog days of august stuff. I sincerely hope people will be FORCED to talk about more substantive issues, as we get closer to the meat of the actual race.

And much of this noise is either coming from random internet nabobs or campaign surrogates (although the talking points seem, at times, oddly in sync) so indeed it may be too early to really say for certain what tone the campaigns themselves will adopt.

I also agree with your point about front runners being overly cautious. One of my biggest problems with Hillary right now is my hunch- so far substantiated- that she's going to run this uninspiring, poll-tested, empty pablum campaign. When we need leadership and actual bold policy ideas. ("lets spend billions of dollars doing more of the same failed shit because actual leadership is threatening to certain big lobby interests", for example, may be "an actual idea" but it sure as shit isnt bold)

Anyone looking at HRC's actual history- from the IWR vote and "marriage is between a man and a woman" to today- ought to know what they're getting, as aptly symbolized by the weathervane logo. In fact, some here try to spin it as a virtue, like "see how sharp she has been politically to do exactly what the polls tell her to do, instead of acts of unpopular idealism."

Inspring, it aint. Not to me.

[Katashi_itto]

59. Well when you have a candidate who stands for nothing except more of the same

more of the same, tired crap what do you expect them to do?

[Romulox]

69. Nope. Those obsessive anti-Sanders people support O'Malley! For reals! nt

[morningfog]

56. There is nothing wrong with being anti-Clinton.

By definition, Bernie supporters are pro-Bernie and anti-Clinton.

Bernie's point is that he has a core of support beyond those who are SOLELY "anybody but Clinton."

There is a lot of cross-over of these various factions.

[seabeckind]

57. Ya know, the socialist business never entered my equation

As far as I'm concerned it's a label that is slapped on and then the connotations behind the label are used for criticism.

I think that sounds more like the argument from someone on the right.

[DanTex]

61. Yup. And those comments she posted are nearly identical to the Hillary-bashing junk here on DU.

[Romulox]

70. Plus, those guys are SOSHIALISTS!!!!!!! Amirite? nt

[Vattel]

63. Okay, this stuff was funny at first, but the joke is getting a bit stale.

[AtomicKitten]

67. It's cyclic.

It's gun nut - rape fantasy -not a Democrat -supporters mean. Rinse and repeat.

[Vattel]

90. you forgot one: only cares about economic justice, not social justice

[AtomicKitten]

97. Of course. I've adjusted the cycle and added one.

Gun nut - doesn't care about brown/black people - rape fantasy - not a Democrat - cares about economic justice, not social justice - supporters mean. Rinse and repeat.

[Thor_MN]

65. IOW, Sanders is denouncing people that claim to be his supporters, but are not following his example

Sanders is not going negative, and says that his supporters are not going negative.

[Romulox]

68. I *used* to be for Hillary, but not after the behavior of her supporters!

[CBGLuthier]

72. SFW.

Are they not allowed to have opinions of their own? How is this an issue?

BTW, I am proudly anti-Clinton and I sure hope she does not get the nomination because having to vote for the lesser of two evils.

[MNBrewer]

73. The practice of alerting on Sanders supporter's posts is alive and well in this thread

[Chan790]

75. Of course we're anti-Clinton...

most of us have been anti-Clinton longer than Bernie's been in the Senate.

Do I like Bernie Sanders? Yes.

Do I support Bernie Sanders? Yes.

If Sanders wasn't running would I support someone else who, as a matter of fact, is not Hillary Clinton? Yes.

Do I dislike Hillary Clinton? No. I loathe, hate and despise Hillary Clinton with the heat of a thousand suns and would like to personally punt her ass out of the Democratic tent as the true enemy of progressive ideals. I disdain her supporters with a level of antipathy only exceeded by that I feel for their candidate.

[ismnotwasm]

81. You know, I think I can live with your disdain truly, I think I can.

As I dismiss it as a consequence of no meaning at all

But, I do have to thank you, this supports a theory of mine.

[Chan790]

89. I'm okay with that.

I'm curious as to the theory.

I've long held that even the Sanders campaign is willfully ignorant of exactly how much of his support is driven by people who are simply never going to support Hillary...and I suspect your theory runs to that same end. It really does present a problem though as it is emblematic of a schism in the Democratic party that simply cannot be bridged between those that reject Clintonian Third-Way thought as fundamentally-evil & anti-progressive and Clintonites. I don't think there is any ground for a truce there, the underlying philosophies and theories of politics are anathema.

[ismnotwasm]

91. Oh no, not going there--don't worry about it

I stay out of this mess for the most part, I simply felt the level of Hillary Hatred interesting

[aikoaiko]

77. Straw man tactic. Bernie actually said his supporters aren't necessarily anti-HRC.

Words have meanings Mr. Allen Clifton @forwardprogressives.com .

WASHINGTON -- Responding to a poll showing him surging in Iowa, Democratic presidential contender Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) argued on Sunday that his supporters are “not necessarily anti-Hillary Clinton.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton_55e31bc9e4b0aec9f35392ab

[cheapdate]

78. Bravo for the OP title ("Many")

I'm seriously very pleased -- thrilled even -- to see well qualified propositions. Life is better when arguments are properly qualified.

[PowerToThePeople]

79. I am anti-Hillary too

ABC.

#FeelTheBern Hill.

[RiverLover]

83. +1 /nt

[bettyellen]

82. after some of the threads this past month- and how often we see the Clinton hatred on display, I

don't know how many people can deny this is a "thing", but many undoubtedly will.
To them- tell your friends who say "they're all the same" as Republicans that they sound like complete asses. It's contributing to the concern that Sanders run is supported by.... not the most level headed people.
Further, when people are telling you it doesn't feel inclusive- listen and ask why. It's valuable information- and if you really do want to attract more voters you will need that info. Those that argue I have to really wonder if they are trying to attract voters. Doesn;t seem like it.

[Armstead]

94. The term "hate" gets thrown around fast and loose

[bettyellen]

96. I'd say it's about more than 1/4 who vent in a way that seems like personal hatred.

But they are loud and constant about it- posting stupid shit like that Benghazi thread. Or that the Clintons are pure evil. I guess it's human nature, but when it's OTT like that, it sticks out and is memorable, because it is hateful.

[Andy823]

98. Yep

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And most of them are the same "anti-Obama" group that has been here for years, except now there are new posters who come in and the very first post they make is anti Clinton. It's obvious by the way some here post that their agenda is not to support democrats, or to get them elected. Their goal is to divide the board, and stir up shit, and sadly they are pretty damn good at it.

I am waiting for Warren to endorse Clinton, and then watch the fireworks for the same crowd who "claimed" they supported here also.

[bettyellen]

104. warren is going right under the bus too, yup.

[Armstead]

100. I agree there are some instances.....But it's become a term of casual usage

I've seen too many instances where the term "haters" is used as a broad brush to anyone who is critical, or as a group reference.

[nadinbrzezinski]

101. After some of the lovely names I was called by TWO HRC supporters

I am sorry but I think there is some hatred ON BOTH SIDES, and some is very personal.

I do not alert, I do not play juries, if you do, ALERT. I just don't believe the system works.

And yesterday I asked ALL CONCERNED to cool their jets. This OP is part of the civil war now I am convinced some people want. No harm, no foul, the notes are just going to get taken, for when and if the party does split due to this idiocy.



Oh and I don't care who anybody supports, I don't support anybody. Which made it even worst, But this bug of partisanship is getting, really, really bad.

[Hiraeth]

103. It really has become a pie fight of sorts. Was this OP really necessary? Just seems to start stuff

up all over again. I agree with you, Nadin this is getting really old, really fast.

[Number23]

105. Well, when they refuse to read the information from numerous Sanders SUPPORTERS

including Thom Hartmann, criticizing their wild behavior, pretend that Clinton supporters are doing the same and then when all else fails, pretend that everyone who calls them out on their behavior are actually deeeeeep down inside Clinton partisans just trying to make them "look bad" as if anyone could be 1/678th as able to do that to them as well as they've done it to themselves, then its no wonder that not only has this bullshit not gone away by now, but that these folks are actually DOUBLING DOWN. The Howard Dean and Castro threads as well as the dismissive and beyond idiotic comments about poc and women prove that beyond all shadow of doubt.

And if all of that doesn't do it, then create a series of incredibly stupid and beyond tired OPs pretending that all of this well deserved criticism didn't find it's mark and that you're desperately pretending to laugh this all off by "joking" that these folks are giving you dandruff and other asserted lameness. Yeah. That should do it.

[bettyellen]

107. yep, we have in this thread examples of people pretending they *still* have seen nothing at all...

And Dean and Castro are going to have to make room under the bus for Warren and that is going to be damned interesting, isn't it?

[Maedhros]

102. Yeah, "forwardprogressives.com". Right.

Just another disingenuous screed about how mean we are because we actually disagree with Hillary's policy positions.

Can't we just all bury our heads in the sand and ignore the IWR, Libya, private prisons, the TPP, and Wall Street connections? Why are we so horrible?

Fuck off, "forwardprogressives.com".

[McCamy Taylor]

106. Only his RNC "supporters" are anti-Hillary. It's the easiest way to spot a "Faux" Democrat.

They hate her way more than they like their own man.