Hillary down, Bernie up in polls

[left-of-center2012]

[still_one]

1. If and until Joe Biden declares, including him in a presidential election poll is a distortion

[global1]

2. What Month Is It Predicted That Bernie Will Pass Hillary.....

Where's the intersection of those two lines.

[thereismore]

3. Just remember that HRC was ahead of Barack Obama in Iowa in November 2007. nt

[jfern]

12. Obama had no more than 26% for all of 2007

[procon]

4. So, if Sanders gets 24 more points or Clinton drops 24 points

in the next year or so, then it will be a real close horse race. Good to know.

[HerbChestnut]

5. Or...

+12 / -12 which is very possible. Still have several months to go plus the debates.

[bobbobbins01]

6. Or more likely...

Hillary drops 12 points and Sanders gets 12 points. Seems like thats where things are headed.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. To get a better idea of the true state of the race ...

To get a better idea of the true state of the race all one has to do is look at the polls with Biden and sans Biden:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary

[left-of-center2012]

9. "... the true state of the race ..."

Why are a select few better than an average of the whole?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. Because if Biden decides not to run the polls that exclude him are meaningful than the polls...

Because if Biden decides not to run the polls that exclude him are meaningful than the polls that include him:

There is a Sanders weakness: comparatively few Democrats say he is their second choice for the nomination. In fact he is the only one of the top three Democrats less than half of voters list as one of their top two choices.

https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/09/03/biden-bump/

[roguevalley]

11. name recognition. A vp and hillary are more well known. Give it time, my friends.

[rhett o rick]

7. Things will change dramatically if we get debates. Supreme Commander DWS is working to eliminate

them altogether I bet. Or maybe just exclude Sanders. The Oligarchy could live with Biden and probably O'Malley, but the Oligarchy won't allow a populist candidate to play in their ball game. I think the Oligarchs are going to be in for a surprise.