So, in 4 years Clinton did not stop and think ...

[Skwmom]

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In 4 years, Clinton did not stop and think that using an UNSECURED server was a bad idea. In 4 years, when composing emails that contained classified information, she never stopped and thought - Hey, maybe I shouldn't be sending this secret information over an UNSECURED system that should NOT be used to send or receive CLASSIFIED information.

Really?

"I was not thinking a lot when I got in [to the State Department]. There was so much work to be done. We had so many problems around the world. I didn't really stop and think what kind of email system will there be."

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/hillary-clinton-sorry-email-controversy-n421851

Without a doubt, this will be a general election ad.

Update: I only saw a portion of her interview. But as soon as these statements were spoken I immediately thought - in 4 years you did not stop and think. It was a very OBVIOUS follow-up question that was unasked.....

To clarify: If I am SOS and I read classified information OR obtain classified information during a conversation that takes place over a SECURED phone , I can not later sit down and include that CLASSIFIED information in an email that is sent through an unsecured system that is NOT part of the GOVERNMENT'S secured system for sending and receiving CLASSIFIED information. It's that simple.

Notice the use of the word Government. A department can't just decide to go rogue and set up it's own server and claim that it is secured. Since the server was wiped I'm not sure if they will ever be able to determine if it was hacked.

[Smarmie Doofus]

1. Only if she's nominated.

>>>Without a doubt, this will be a general election ad. >>>

There's still plenty of time to consider alternatives.

[Skwmom]

3. If she is nominated OR on the ticket as VP it will be used.

By going after VP Clinton, they could make the top of the ticket look bad for picking her. Ever hear of being painted with the same brush or being judged by the company you keep? The elected Democrats in Congress and elsewhere think they can support Hillary without being painted with the same brush. What I say is - good luck with that.

[VanillaRhapsody]

28. OMG

[MisterP]

38. the Pubs' ads will just be videos of her talking, and her ads will be straight outta 30 Rock

[leftofcool]

2. Unsecured?

Odd, how her "unsecured" server was not hacked by Chelsea Manning like the rest of the State Departments servers were. That must have escaped you.

[tularetom]

4. You don't know who did or didn't hack that server

[SonderWoman]

5. State dept experts said there was no breach.

[tularetom]

13. Of course they said that, WTF would you expect them to say?

"The server may have been hacked and classified material could be in the hands of groups that don't have the best interests of the US at heart, thanks to the arrogance and carelessness of our former boss."

[SonderWoman]

14. All servers can be hacked, but no evidence hers were.

And the fact that Snowden made out with top secret material on govt servers makes her decision to keep hers private seem more sane.

[DesMoinesDem]

27. Yes, she needed a private server to protect herself from government employees

with security clearance. But she could totally trust all the employees without security clearance that had copies of her emails on a server in their bathroom. What a genius move. Not to mention that the NSA most likely had/has access to all her emails if they wanted them, regardless of what server she used.

[HappyPlace]

31. It wasn't even a new server! It was an old deal used by Bill, less secure than ever.

I've been informed that the server was set up by a now-retired government employee.

Lord only knows who had access to it for those years, or who set it up.

At least she might have gotten experts to start from scratch and build a super-secure system.

Of course, she should have just done it the right way and used government equipment, but NO, she's special.

[jeff47]

59. The domain didn't exist until January 19th, 2009. It was not an "old deal". (nt)

[jeff47]

56. They left the default VPN keys installed on her server.

We can assume China and Russia got in. To not get in would be a demonstration of massive incompetence.

Neither China nor Russia would advertise that they hacked her server. Nor would Clinton or the Obama administration. Since the only people affected would be Clinton and her close friends, no public disclosure was required as in the OPM hack.

[BlueStateLib]

80. self-signed SSL Certificates are just as secure

as those issued and verified by a trusted Certificate Authority

While self-signed SSL Certificates also encrypt customers' log in and other personal account credentials, they prompt most web servers to display a security alert because the certificate was not verified by a trusted Certificate Authority. Often the alerts advise the visitor to abort browsing the page for security reasons.

SSL Certificates issued and verified by a trusted Certificate Authority are for the visitor's protection
from malicious, malware websites. I sure the goverment has access to signed SSL Certificates other then public trusted Certificate Authority for all to see.

[VanillaRhapsody]

29. It was needle in a haystack....

Same method owning an Apple Computer....but we KNOW State Dept computers were hacked!

[jeff47]

57. With a giant, blinking sign saying

"Here's the SoS's email server!!!!"

That @clintonemail.com at the end of every email sent by Clinton and her aides would point directly to the needle.

[VanillaRhapsody]

64. and yet it didn't!

I mean it wasn't like she sent emails to the entire world from that address!

[jeff47]

65. Not the entire world, just everyone she would email directly. Which includes

some foreign dignitaries.

Someone registered clintonmail.com. No "e" before "mail". We don't know who did that. It was not registered by the same people who registered clintonemail.com.

Why would someone do that if they didn't know about clintonemail.com?

[VanillaRhapsody]

66. And....still not hacked!

[jeff47]

67. Who would announce it was hacked?

They left the default VPN keys installed. It's the digital equivalent of leaving your keys in your car door.

So at least China and Russia got in. They're extremely good at this. They also have no reason to announce that they got in. If you announce it, they shut down the server. So you stay quiet and keep reading.

Meanwhile, who from Team Clinton or the Obama administration would announce it was hacked? Legally, the only people who would need to be notified are the people with accounts on the server - Clinton and her top aides. No public announcement required, and none of them would go public with it.

There's also zero benefit for the Obama administration to go public with a hack.

So who would tell the public if it had been hacked?

[VanillaRhapsody]

69. You think they wouldn't???

You think the people that DID hack her computer would not brag about that? You think there are no Rightwing hackers? Yeah it would be perfectly secret!!!

[jeff47]

71. Yes, they would not brag about that.

These are not script kiddies looking to show just how awesome they are. These are intelligence agencies. Their job is to not be found. And announcing what you've done is a great way to be found.

How many systems has the NSA announced they hacked? Zero. China and Russia have their own NSA equivalents. Who have announced zero hacks.

You think there are no Rightwing hackers?

None that are as good as the NSA or China and Russia's equivalents.

Perhaps you could point to an announcement by such a group.

[VanillaRhapsody]

74. Yes only Clinton "friendlies" would hack her!

You do know hackers are in International groups all over the world right?

[jeff47]

75. China and Russia are "friendlies"?

You might want to stop and think a bit before replying.

You do know hackers are in International groups all over the world right?

You do know that the good people from those groups go to work for the NSA or an equivalent nation-state backer, because they get paid a metric shitload, right?

The ones who are left in those collectives aren't nearly as good as the ones recruited by governments. Nor do they have a massive number of people doing R&D on new techniques, nor do they have the resources to "obtain" sample hardware to hack.

The hackers you hear about are, at best, AAA baseball. You do not hear about the MLB-equivalent hackers.

[JoePhilly]

40. If you have evidence that it was ... provide it.

Otherwise ... you've got nothing.

[tularetom]

45. Um, I never said it was hacked

I said it may have been and if it was, the State Department and the Clinton campaign are not about to tell us that at this point.

But wouldn't you rather find out now, than wait until the Democratic party has nominated a severely compromised, if not unelectable, candidate?

[JoePhilly]

46. Why did the State Department tell us about this ....

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/10/politics/state-department-hack-worst-ever/

??

Clearly, the lack of evidence that anything happened with Hillary's server proves that something did happen.

I've always told Republicans I know that liberals like facts. They like evidence. They don't just grab onto a position, and then hold it regardless of whether that position is supported by the evidence.

But after years on DU, I've learned that lots of folks on the left are just as unwilling to deal in facts as some Republicans are.

For them, innuendo is proof enough.

[BlueStateLib]

78. sure they do, just look at the server logs

for login attempts. The Fortigate VPN encryption box they used is extremely secure,
the ony door in was through SSL Login. I guess if Bill was downloading warzs
on the server it could of been compromised.

[LiberalArkie]

6. Chelsea Manning did not hack the servers, she released information that he had access to.

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In other words in Mannings case, "It was an inside job"

[jeff47]

48. You should fix your pronouns. (nt)

[LiberalArkie]

50. Thank you. I normally think her, but I guess when I think back when it happened

I just pictured the picture of small guy at the work station that was released. For some reason when my brain goes into payback mode, it does it visually. Again thank you for catching it. Hey, same name as me. Glad to meet you Jeff.

[jeff47]

52. I have a similar problem, and had to get in the habit of double-checking when talking about her. nt

[Skwmom]

8. The state department email system was UNCLASSIFIED & NOT part of the SECURED system used

by the government to transfer classified information. You do realize there is a secured system which is supposed to be used don't you? The government has an unclassified email system b/c ALOT of their employees do NOT have security clearances (clearances which grant them the right to handle classified information).

And you know her server was unhacked because???? I thought that was under investigation.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/state-department-email-system-hacked-shut-down/

The State Department has taken the unprecedented step of shutting down its entire unclassified email system as technicians repair possible damage from a suspected hacker attack.

[SonderWoman]

15. You do realize that she sent classified info using SECURE measures, not her server.

[Skwmom]

16. Yes, but it doesn't change the fact about the emails.

It doesn't refute the fact that she transferred classified info over an unsecured email system. You can't get info from a CLASSIFIED, SECURED system and then take the secret information you have learned and transfer it over an UNSECURED, UNCLASSIFIED, email system.

It's not brain surgery.

[VanillaRhapsody]

30. No wrong.....there are multiple types of clearances....

Top Secret, Secret and Public Trust......state dept are mi imum Secret Clearance.....

And no she didnt.....if she did that she would be indicted now. Supposedly someone sent her information that was later Classified...

[Skwmom]

37. Some of the emails contained TOP SECRET info.

There was classified information that was sent.

[SonderWoman]

34. And that is exactly what she DIDN'T DO.

[cherokeeprogressive]

42. A large number of emails she sent would have been classified simply because she was SoS.

[JoePhilly]

47. That's false.

A piece of information does not suddenly become classified, or not, simply because of who sent it.

[DesMoinesDem]

9. Manning didn't hack anything.

[frazzled]

22. Precisely: her emails appear to have been the most secure

from hackers and public disclosure. They are only being disclosed now, at the behest of Republican witch hunters.

I think she DID think about it. If the Chinese or the Snowdens were looking to hack the State Department, she was safely shielded. I vividly recall the tens of thousands of State Dept. memos giving sensitive, classified reports on foreign leaders that were hacked and published around the world, causing much concern to US foreign relations. Hers were not among them.

A private account seems to have been the safest bet.

It's also ironic how much the disclosure of sensitive and/or classified DOS material was cheered here, in contrast to the pearl clutching going on now over the "possibility" that Clinton's emails could have been disclosed. It's hilarious. It's also embarrassingly stupid.

[Skwmom]

26. Classified information should ONLY be sent over a CLASSIFIED, SECURED system. n/t

[Skwmom]

39. Edward Snowden Slams Hillary Clinton For Private Email Server

So says "The NSA whistleblower knows a thing or two about cybersecurity."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/edward-snowden-hillary-clinton-email-server_55e87a21e4b0b7a9633c278b

[JoePhilly]

41. The criminal said what?

[Fawke Em]

89. He's not been tried and convicted, so he's not a "criminal."

In any case, I trust he knows far more about cyber security than HRC, despite what you think of him.

The fact is, that she shouldn't have used her own server. Period. She does the public's business. She was a public official. Her decision to use a private server shows her lack of decision-making skills.

[Motown_Johnny]

7. I thought it would take more of an effort to set up your own server

compared to just letting someone set up a government email for you and hand you a government issued Blackberry.

The answer did not make sense to me. It seems backward.

[HappyPlace]

10. AND therein lies the most interesting problem or question....

.

WHY would someone go through so much effort, especially when "There was so much work to be done. We had so many problems around the world."???

I think I know why...

[OKNancy]

20. I answered in a post above. It was already in use by the Clinton family.

It was set up and ready to go.

[jeff47]

58. The domain did not exist until January 19th, 2009.

It was not already up and running.

[OKNancy]

62. LOL - it takes seconds to get a domain name

THe server was put in for her 2008 campaign, replacing one that Bill used.

But this subject is so fucking stupid.

[jeff47]

63. Odd that Bill didn't get one while he was using the server then.

Or if you'd prefer, odd that Hillary Clinton didn't just use the existing domain Bill was using.

[LiberalArkie]

12. Piece of cake to do an email server, you can set one up on a Mac with the server app.

What I still find interesting is this part from NY Times:

WASHINGTON — An examination of the server that housed the personal email account that Hillary Rodham Clinton used exclusively when she was secretary of state showed that there are no copies of any emails she sent during her time in office, her lawyer told a congressional committee on Friday.

After her representatives determined which emails were government-related and which were private, a setting on the account was changed to retain only emails sent in the previous 60 days, her lawyer, David Kendall, said. He said the setting was altered after she gave the records to the government.

“Thus, there are no [e-mail] emails from Secretary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state on the server for any review, even if such review were appropriate or legally authorized,” Mr. Kendall said in a letter to the House select committee investigating the 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/28/us/politics/no-copies-of-hillary-clinton-emails-on-server-lawyer-says.html?_r=0


Note, I just noticed she uses her maiden name initials : hdr22. Hillary Diane Rodham

[OKNancy]

19. The server was set up long before she was Sec of State. It was used by Bill etc.

It was absolutely no trouble for her to use it.

Just one of those bits of information that gets lost in all the fake email "scandal"

[jeff47]

51. Nope.

The domain clintonemail.com was registered on January 19th, 2009. So it could not have been used for email before January 19th, 2009 unless you knew the IP address (Currently 208.91.197.27)

https://who.is/whois/clintonemail.com
http://www.whois.com/whois/clintonemail.com

[HappyPlace]

25. Not her server! She set it up on SOMEONE ELSE'S SERVER! Like that's real smart!

I have been informed below that they didn't have to set it up she used someone else's server who already had one set up.

Not only did she NOT use a proper government server and use one in her own house...

She didn't even take the time to set one up from scratch to insure security-- she used one that someone else in her family had set up years earlier.

So, someone else's server, someone not in government and with lord only knows what malware--- she used THAT server.

What a mess, what a mistake.

[OKNancy]

33. It was secure... it was set up for the former President

You just made up that post.

When the FBI report comes back a lot of you will have egg on your face.

[jeff47]

49. It was not secure. The default VPN keys were still installed on the server.

That's the equivalent of leaving your keys in your car door.

Also, by not using a .gov domain, she enabled the typosquatter at clintonmail.com (no 'e' before 'mail'). We have no idea who registered that, but it was registered years ago. After clintonemail.com.

Since only the US government gets to hand out .gov domains, it's much harder to do something similar if she had used a state department domain.

[LiberalArkie]

53. One other thing I thought about also was the clintonemail.com is a residential .com

The NSA can legally peel off those packets real easy. They can not tap into .GOV that is illegal, but a residential .COM, all day long. So how much of [e-mail] was looked at. I would bet anything flying by will clinton and hillary and HTC or state dept set off bells and whistles all over the place, like the word bomb etc does.

[snagglepuss]

11. WHat makes this so unbelievable is that there would have been

discussions about installing a private server in her home. Lengthy discussions and it wouldn't have been just her talking to one IT guy. Aides would have been with her who would be knowledgeable about emails and security issues. I have no doubt that she had a lot on her plate but are we to believe that not one of her aides raised questions about the advisibility of having an unsecured server?

[OKNancy]

21. She didn't have to do that. It was already in use by Bill Clinton

It had been set up long before she became Sec of State.

[HappyPlace]

23. WTF Someone else's server??? That just makes it less secure. Bill had no government role!

But I thought she and Bill were different. Bill isn't running for POTUS.

We're often reminded that Bill isn't Hillary.

[OKNancy]

32. NO, not someone else's. It was used by the whole family

and it was set up and secure by a reputable company. But, go ahead and try to think up reasons for smearing Hillary.

[TwilightGardener]

36. Does "whole family" and "a reputable company" have security clearances and need-to-know about

all the classified stuff that was held there for years? The government contracts specifically with certain businesses to have such access, there are standards to be met. The number of people who may have been able to access the Secretary of State's communications is turning into a very large number.

[HappyPlace]

43. Oh, it was the "family server"! As if that's a good idea.

It sounds like Bill then and Chelsea and anybody could have access to it.

Super Secure!

Really who does she think she is to pull official business off official servers, our servers, onto her Clinton Family Server?

If that doesn't sound like bullshit to you then there's nothing I can say to fix it.

But do try to ask yourself how it looks to the average uncommitted voter.

[leftofcool]

55. They will come up with anything won't they.

[jeff47]

61. Nah, we just know how to use WHOIS.

Turns out this server that had been in use for a long time had it's domain registered two days before Clinton was confirmed as SoS.

[jeff47]

60. The domain did not exist until Jaunary 19th, 2009.

It was not already in use. Unless you want to claim the two days between this domain's creation and her confirmation as SoS.

[HereSince1628]

68. What was registered as the domain?

The physical computer or an address used to reach a physical computer?

The computer apparently was in use prior and was used by WJClinton.

[jeff47]

70. clintonemail.com. The stuff after the @ in her email address.

That did not exist until January 19th, 2009.

The story now is that Bill was already using it. That was the original story, then it changed to being set up for Hillary Clinton. Now we're back to Bill was using it.

But Bill could not have used clintonemail.com until it existed. And that didn't exist until 2 days before she was confirmed as SoS.

[HereSince1628]

72. Ok evidence indicates clintonemail was set up for HRC to use at DOS

When did her personal IT guy get his job with DOS?

[jeff47]

73. Well, after clintonemail.com was set up...

She couldn't hire him at State until she was SoS. And she wasn't confirmed until January 21st.

[Avalux]

17. "I was not thinking a lot when I got in....."

Those are not good words for a presidential candidate to say....what happens if she's elected president? Will she not be thinking a lot when she gets in? Since there's so much word to be done?

[jalan48]

24. I'm beginning to doubt Hillary's ability to win the general election if she gets the Dem. nomination

I guess that may be why Biden's name keeps popping up. Debbie Downer may get the hook as well.

[TwilightGardener]

35. I'm wondering why all of her cronies/lackeys had side gigs (with her, or the Foundation, or

Teneo, whatever that is) even after she brought them to State to earn a government paycheck. Bryan "I'm Just The IT Guy!" Pagliano, Huma Wiener, Cheryl Mills. Who else? Seems very profitable to be in her inner circle. Line seems very blurred between working for the Clintons and working for the government. Special arrangements, undisclosed payments. Obama really fucked up making her SoS, because it's clear it was only an incubator for her campaign and a money-maker for the Clinton Foundation, and little more.

[HappyPlace]

44. And, some of those Foundation jobs really really paid well! nt

[antigop]

81. Here is what Teneo is...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016131612

links to
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-huma-abedin-operated-at-the-center-of-the-clinton-universe/2015/08/27/cd099eee-4b32-11e5-902f-39e9219e574b_story.html

As Clinton was preparing in late 2012 to leave office, Abedin also was considering her post-government career options.

Her work at Teneo gave her a taste of the private sector even as she continued her duties at the State Department.

The company, founded in part by longtime Bill Clinton aide Doug Band, describes itself as an advisory firm that works with corporate CEOs and leverages “deep global relationships” on behalf of clients, which have included giants such as Coca-Cola, the FIFA soccer organization and Dow Chemical. Teneo executives, including Band and chief executive Declan Kelly, declined to comment.

Abedin’s dual roles have drawn scrutiny from Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), who has questioned whether she was in a position to do favors for a company with international interests.

[TwilightGardener]

86. "Leverages deep global relationships". OK, that explains things. Thanks.

[antigop]

88. "works with corporate CEOs"...

and don't forget this one...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101667554

[tularetom]

54. Stop and think is not in her DNA

Blurt out whatever seems to get her past the moment is what she does best.

Like "I was under sniper fire in Bosnia" or "We were dead broke when we left the White House"

[Skwmom]

85. Can you imagine when they play the sniper fire ad back to back with this and

the "speaking fees" , the Clinton foundation, and her "transactions" as SOS.

The Establishment Democrats that have endorsed her will be tripping all over themselves trying to distance themselves from it.

[orpupilofnature57]

76. Entitlement

[Skwmom]

77. I'm beginning to wonder if they want to keep this going to deflect from the more serious scandals -

the "speaking fees," "donations" to the Clinton foundation and Clinton's actions as SOS.

I have made a point of asking people about this and all I can say is the email scandal pales in comparison.

[orpupilofnature57]

79. It's always something.

[eridani]

82. The real problem is lack of clarity in government policy

Mainly not having a standard one. Given how widespread internet usage is by now, it's way past time to put one in place.

[Capn Sunshine]

83. Exactly.

Hillary was no different than her two predecessors who used private servers because the State Dept computer system was notoriously F'ed up and leaky.

[Skwmom]

84. Really? Because there is plenty of people that deal with classified information that understand it

needs to be transmitted through the government system set up to handle classified information. If it's too confusing for Clinton to understand, then she's obviously not up to the job.

[jfern]

87. It was likely a calculated decision

It was legal, and designed to shield her from freedom of information act requests. Of course not exactly ethical, but that doesn't matter to her.