Hillary surrogates are really attacking Biden on Melissa Harris-Perry's MSNBC show. n/t

[Skwmom]

[Duckhunter935]

1. Not surprised

She is afraid of a challenge

[VanillaRhapsody]

7. Ridiculous.....why would she be in politics then

You do understand politics is competitive right?

If you are expecting Marquis of Queensbury rules....you are not up to the challenge of facing Republicans.....

[Duckhunter935]

9. Not when you are entitled

You have all of the DLC and party bosses working and supporting you. How dare someone interrupt that and challenge her. She sends out the surrogates to spread the bull.

[VanillaRhapsody]

10. Entitled? This is not her first campaign is it?

She has been out there before...and competitive!

She has had competitors for some time now.....and yet she is still walking away with it.....

[Duckhunter935]

12. And she is pissed she lost the last one

She thought for sure this would be just a coronation. She felt entitled and scared off all challengers except Bernie.

[VanillaRhapsody]

14. Pissed? No she is running again...

How does that extrapolate to pissed? You a mind reader now? Projection much? Is it just that you would be pissed? She is a politician....its par for the course and part of the territory.

She has a 74% chance of winning....Sanders has 12%.

[Duckhunter935]

15. She did not see Bernie as being a real challenge

And thought she would get it without a fight. Now even Biden is looking at challenging her. She planned on taking the summer off for her expensive vacation. Did not work out as she was planning. I guess if it is so much in the bag, why did she change her million dollar vacation plans?

[VanillaRhapsody]

16. I still dont see Bernie as "real" in that he only has

12% odds. That is hardly a threat to her 74% chance. Nate Silver has him at much less than Predictwise odds....so I can say with good conscious that she is not likely sweating him up to this point.

[Duckhunter935]

18. Hillary must disagree

Cutting short her million dollar vacation. Have a great day

[VanillaRhapsody]

20. What vacation....have you seen her personal schedule?

You really think that.....during campaign season.....she planned to just take the summer off? You really believe that? You are the ONLY person I have heard say that. It sur is silly season...

Since you seem to be continuing to say it.....How about I challenge.....prove it....let's see your big source? Show your hand...

[Duckhunter935]

26. I guess these are lies

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is pausing a planned vacation to return to the 2016 campaign trail, amid negative momentum in polling.

Clinton is leaving the Hamptons early for a series of election events across the Midwest, according to The New York Times.

The former first lady had initially planned on closing out August on Long Island alongside her husband, former President Bill Clinton. The pair had rented a $100,000 beachside estate in Amagansett, N.Y. for the next two weeks.

Clinton is now scheduled to leave Wednesday for a grassroots-organizing party in Cleveland, her first stop in the crucial battleground state during the 2016 election cycle. She has then booked a visit to Minneapolis for the Democratic National Committee’s summer meeting.

The Clintons also plan to attend several fundraisers in the Hamptons — costing $2,700 per person — aimed at boosting her campaign coffers for next year.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/251723-clinton-cuts-short-vacation-for-midwest-campaign-swing

ANKENY, Iowa — Standing in front of a tractor in Des Moines Area Community College’s “John Deere Exhibition Hall,” Hillary Clinton was a world away from the lavish beach vacation in the Hamptons where the Democratic front-runner has been recharging since late last week. There, she has been enjoying the luxe life — celebrity chef Katie Lee, the ex-wife of Billy Joel, earlier this week personally prepared a spread of fresh guacamole, roasted carrots and an assortment of healthy dips and crudite requested specifically by the Clintons.

But on Wednesday — as Vice President Joe Biden participated in a conference call with Democratic National Committee members to discuss the Iran deal and insert himself further into the 2016 conversation — that restorative downtime was abruptly interrupted.
The contrast between the two worlds Clinton occupied Wednesday was stark: The median household income in Des Moines is $61,526. Clinton’s Hamptons rental home costs almost that much — per week.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/hillary-clinton-2016-working-vacation-121780#ixzz3kt1Zy0dg

Hillary Clinton will cut short a lavish vacation in the Hamptons to continue campaigning as her poll numbers slide amid controversy.

The former secretary of state will visit Ohio and Minnesota next week, according to the New York Times.

She and her family planned to spend the last two weeks of August in a Hamptons vacation home that cost $50,000 per week.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/clinton-controversy-cuts-vacation-short/article/2570669


http://videos.huffingtonpost.com/hillary-clinton-cuts-vacation-short-for-iowa-visit-519036744

[VanillaRhapsody]

27. The Washingto.n Examiner again?

And the Hill? They all use each other asxsources.....and it all comes from some guys musings on a blogpost.

Guess you missed this part.....

The Clintons also plan to attend several fundraisers in the Hamptons — costing $2,700 per person — aimed at boosting her campaign coffers for next year.

Working "vacation" hahaha

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. The Washington Examiner

The Washington Examiner is a political journalism publication based in Washington, D.C., that distributes its content via daily online reports and a weekly magazine.[2] It is owned by MediaDC,[3] a subsidiary of Clarity Media Group,[4] which is owned by Philip Anschutz.[5][6] From 2005 to mid-2013, the Examiner published a daily tabloid-sized newspaper, distributed free throughout the Washington, D.C. metro area, largely focused on local news and conservative commentary.[5] The local newspaper ceased publication on June 14, 2013, and its content began to focus exclusively on national politics, switching its print edition from a daily newspaper to a weekly magazine format.[7]

[VanillaRhapsody]

30. Its a rag...

And relies on rumor mills

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. I wonder why a member of our august board would lend it credibility.

eom

[VanillaRhapsody]

32. Interesting indeed...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. It might warrant further exploration.

eom

[VanillaRhapsody]

34. We should convene a hearing before Congress.....

Benghazeeeeee!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. With subpoena power!

eom

[VanillaRhapsody]

39. Where is Trey Gowdy when you need him????

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. Or Chuck Grassley!

eom

[VanillaRhapsody]

42. True dat....true dat!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. We have to make selective leaks

We have to make selective leaks to friendly reporters at New York Times, Washington Post, and FOX NEWS.

[VanillaRhapsody]

44. Exactly....and then we catapult that over to sites like...I don't know....

Democratic Underground!!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. And blanket social media!!!

[silenttigersong]

51. Not only that

You have yes men ,and yes women that secretly would love to say no.

[Armstead]

2. I've had it on in the background -- It's horrible

I don't know what Kool Aid Melissa Harris Perry has been drinking. She acknowledges she is not a fan of Clinton, but then she sneers that Clinton's competition is a "self-descrubed socialist from Vermont" as if that is horrible.

The whole tone of the discussion is awful. While briefly and grudgingly acknowledging that Sanders rates highly with people because of his authenticity it turns into a discussion of Clinton....and then of course Trump.

[VanillaRhapsody]

8. He rates high?

Where?

12% chance of winning is not rating very high in my book.At least not so high qhen one competitor rates a 74% chance...

[Armstead]

54. You keep obsessing over that

As many Clinton supporters say "It's still early" Abd Clinton started on third base with an inherited advantage.

By many metrics, Sanders e is doing quite well. He started as an unknown and still is an underdog -- but he's not a Herman Cain one-week wonder, and he is gaining ground. He deserves to be taken seriously.

[bigdarryl]

13. So Melissa has gone Fox News Like two?

I can't wait to see there numbers after this fuck up they have done going right

[silenttigersong]

50. MSNBC

Has talking points dribble down from the corporate masters.

[silenttigersong]

52. Perhaps

Clinton handlers put conditions on interviews,think about it media tactics,timing ect.I think the dem debate debacle shows how they operate.I think we will see the poor me routi.ne with Hillary.Hillary is using the carrot and stick for the media.

[1StrongBlackMan]

3. It seems a HRC "surrogate is ...

Anyone/everyone that is not a Bernie fan.

The panel included Melissa, an "not enamored with HRC (her words) commentator, a republican strategist, and a non-affiliated journalist (whose name I don't recall).

And even then, Biden WASN'T attacked, unless you consider speculating on whether he will run, and if he does, discussing the huddles he will face, to be an attack.

[dsc]

4. So the OP lied to our faces

gee what a shock, no words in the OP either.

[1StrongBlackMan]

5. I wouldn't say "lied", so much as ...

wanted to complain that HRC wasn't being attacked, and Bernie wasn't cheered.

[riversedge]

35. You have a good way of saying what was going on -on the segment. Thank you. I watched it also and

you are right.

[Armstead]

40. I watched it and got angy because.....

It was all thorough the Hillary Filter with a brief detour to the Biden Filter and, of course a necesary side trip to Trumpomania.

I have nothing against hinest political discussion and analysis, even when i donlt like the conclusions.

But after acknowledging that Sanders has gained surprising support because of his "authenticity" the conversation veered instantly back to the shallow chatter and discussions of Clinton's "authenticity."

How about a discussion of the reason his issues and message may be resonating? How about actually comparing what they are saying, and what they are or aren't addressing? How about acknowledged the non-Trump anger that genuinely exists throughout the country -- and the reasons for that?

Nah, let's just talk about whether Clinton apologized enough about the e-mails.

It was especially frustrating because I used to have a lot of respect for Melissa HP and would expect more depth from her.

[HereSince1628]

46. American's don't care about content as long as it is 'entertaining'

People seem to adore the entertainment value of sniping and fighting.

Negative campaigning has become 'showing backbone'.

[1StrongBlackMan]

48. Do you think that might be ...

Because you see everything (political) through the/a "Bernie" filter?

[Armstead]

56. I wouldn't notice or care about it if I didnlt see it though a Bernie filter

But I do have the ability to be objective.

But the larger point is that people who are not involved partisan ans and don't have any filters are denied alternative viewpoints through this kind of shit.

It's not like the panel had to be 10 minutes of singing Bernie's praises. But totally blowing him off, after acknowledging that he's doing wel,l is not what I'd call good journalism or discussion.

[1StrongBlackMan]

61. This ...

But I do have the ability to be objective.
...

It's not like the panel had to be 10 minutes of singing Bernie's praises. But totally blowing him off, after acknowledging that he's doing wel,l is not what I'd call good journalism or discussion.

In the context of the segment, i.e., Is/should Biden get into the race, suggests you are NOT quite as objective as you would think ... the fact the panel mentioned Bernie at all is more than one would expect.

[Armstead]

64. I disagree, naturally. It;s a much bigger issue than Sanders

This is just another example of a much larger syndrome that stifles any chance for real change or reform, and keeps us stuck in the destructive vice of a corrupt status quo. They impose either the "officially approved" representatives of the powers-that-be, or find sideshows like Trump as a bright shiny object to deflect attention from meaningful politics.

Taking off my Bernie filter for a moment, in the current campagn it is inexcusable that O'Malley -- a serious and eminently qualified challenger -- has been banished to Siberia by the media/politico complex. He deserves to be heard and seen....I'd also say Chaffee deserves at least a hearing too, as a former Senator and governor, who did have a role in the Iraq debate. (I guess Webb too, but he hasn't been working very hard.)

Obviously Biden is an important question. But how about looking at the currently active candidates rather than just obsessing over a possible Biden/Clinton Battle of the status quo candidates?

As for Bernie, this may may be a bad analogy, but suppose you have a traditionally dominant team that has been having trouble in a season, and a scrappy challenger that is putting in a surprisingly strong performer and moving up in the ranks. The analysts would not be doing their jobs if they totally ignore the up and comer, and only focus on what the dominant team is doing wrong.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Sigh

I wish I could say I was disappointed.

[Skwmom]

17. No, I did not lie. As one of the posters above pointed out, he saw the

show and it was pretty horrible. The person going after Biden was agitated to say the least.

Update: The Clintons have a lot of so called "journalists" and writers in their pocket.

[dsc]

19. but of course you offer no proof whatsoever that this journalist has any ties at all to Clinton

but how dare I say you were lying when your OP clearly stated that everyone at that table was a Clinton supporter and it turns out 1 is a GOP strategist, one has said more than once she isn't a Clinton supporter and didn't supporter her in 2008, and the last is a journalist that you still haven't even bothered to provide the name of let alone any evidence that the journalist is in Hillary's pocket.

[VanillaRhapsody]

22. Touche...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. I stand with dsc

[stevenleser]

37. If you didn't lie, you threw an accusation out there with no evidence to back you up

And asserted it as fact.

Those are your options, neither of which is good.

[Metric System]

47. If Harris is in their pocket, they better ask for a refund.

[zappaman]

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[VanillaRhapsody]

23. Shewwwwww

This shredding brought to you by juror number 4!

[FlatBaroque]

6. Cut the cord.

Why continue to self-inflict this pain and frustration?

[restorefreedom]

24. i stopped m$nbc when they booted ed

never looked back.

now i listen to his podcast

rachel, lawrence and al are ok, but i really don't miss the station at all

[Doctor_J]

28. MSNBC has joined the Clinton campaign

They're on the (R) side of the Dem party.

[stevenleser]

38. And my #37 applies to your comment as well. nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

49. You're either Fer us or against us ...

There is no in between. If one isn't talking about "A", even when talking about "X", one must be anti-"A".

And I'very noticed a discernable shift in that binary thought on just about everything ... if one doesn't pan this, one is clearly in favor of it (see TTP threads) and if one doesn't cheer Bernie, one clearly is a HRC surrogate.

[stevenleser]

58. something about Supporting Sanders has reduced a fair amount of those supporters to

Exactly what you are talking about and more.

- with us or against us
- paranoia: if someone in media isn't praising Bernie, they are against Bernie and therefore evil
- folks that would be for the right to protest in just about any other circumstance attacked a group trying to raise awareness for their minority group whose members are being killed in alarming numbers by police because those folks committed the sin of protesting Bernie

Etc.

I think this group has the mistaken impression that their method of advocacy helps Sanders in some way. It might work if this was the Republican side of the aisle. The folks over there go for reactionary and unsubstantiated nonsense, as we can see with Trump. Over on the Democratic side of things, not so much.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

60. I have noticed a staggering hostility to ambiguity as well.

eom

[1StrongBlackMan]

62. Back when I was undecided on a candidate in the Democratic primaries ...

and open to Bernie, I was accused of being a HRC supporter because I voiced questions about Bernie (even as I voiced questions about HRC and O'Malley.

And these same DUers, accused me of being Pro-TPP because I was vocally undecided on TPP.

I wonder whether if they have imprinted on the Bernie campaign or has the Bernie campaign imprinted on them? I suspect/hope it's the former.

[Thinkingabout]

53. You must watch a very different MSNBC than i do. Bernie gets much

More praise than Hillary does.

[Skwmom]

55. At this I laughed out loud. n/t

[Thinkingabout]

57. Bet you did, to some the truth is funny.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. You are correct!!!

eom

[1StrongBlackMan]

63. Agreed ...

HRC my get more mentions ... segment after segment about the email (non) scandal and questions of her "authenticity"; whereas, Bernie's mentions are about his insurrency, surging and large crowds.