In 2008 Hillary's campaign used dog whistle politics. They're doing the same thing

[cali]

this year. Inversely.

In 2008, Hillary's campaign was so desperate and so unethical, that they played up to the fear and racist impulses of some white democrats.

This year, it's a cynical variation of that sleazy tactic; painting Bernie as an uncaring out of touch, and maybe just a teensy bit white man whose supporters are racists and anti-immigrant.

It's cynical. It's a big bold lie. It gives Hillary plausible deniability.

And it's so very Clintonian.

This shit is just one more reason why I could never support her

[tularetom]

1. Whatever it takes, it's the Clinton way

Honesty, dignity and ethics be damned. Sow discord and divide your own party. Campaign like a republican and hope the voters won't be pissed when you govern like one.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

82. Hillary is so yesterday. Bernie is a breath of fresh air.

[hifiguy]

182. No Clinton has ever had any core principal other than self-advancement

by any means possible.

What the Clintons are is well-established historical fact: pure opportunists and nothing more.

[Thinkingabout]

2. Bookmarking

[revmclaren]

112. I am as well...

Not only that, I always screen shot these 'I won't vote for Clinton' ops and the rec lists for them so when they conveniently disappear after the primaries, the proof is still there. Prob going to be megs of data by the time this is over.



real voter!

[cali]

147. And just where do I say I won't vote for her? I've said ad nauseam

that I expect her to be the nominee and that I will vote for her.

[still_one]

152. I think they are equating with never supporting her as the same as not voting for her if she is the

Democratic nominee, and there is a distinction.

[jeff47]

171. Gotta fill in the enemies list, eh? (nt)

[Cali_Democrat]

3. I remember 2008 when she said she connected better with white working class voters...

....that was bad, but Obama got over it and hired her as his Sec. Of State.

But what has she said this year? When did she say Bernie is uncaring? Did she or anyone in the campaign say Sanders' supporters are racists?

[Scootaloo]

129. Still wondering if you see the irony in your sig image, Cali_Democrat

[Metric System]

4. And only you can hear it.

[truebluegreen]

85. No.

[merrily]

139. No.

[wyldwolf]

5. Speaking of dog whistles

When speaking to Jake Tapper, in trying to defend his 2005 vote in favor of giving gun manufacturers certain tort immunities available to no other product manufacturer, he appeared to claim Vermont gun owners were more responsible gun owners than those in "Chicago" (African Americans?) and "Los Angeles" (Latinos?).

"...the people of my state understand, I think pretty clearly, that guns in Vermont are not the same thing as guns in Chicago or guns in Los Angeles. In our state, guns are used for hunting. In Chicago, they're used for kids in gangs killing other kids or people shooting at police, shooting down innocent people."

Translation: Only white folks can be trusted with guns.

[beam me up scottie]

6. Was Obama blowing the same racist dog whistle after Sandy Hook when he said the same thing?:

"I have a profound respect for the traditions of hunting that trace back in this country for generations and I think those who dismiss that out of hand make a big mistake."

His comments come in the wake of the shootings last month in Newtown, Conn. The killing of 20 children in the town has spurred gun-control advocates to seek restriction on the ownership of certain firearms such as military-style assault rifles.

"Part of being able to move this forward is understanding the reality of guns in urban areas are very different from the realities of guns in rural areas. And if you grew up and your dad gave you a hunting rifle when you were ten, and you went out and spent the day with him and your uncles, and that became part of your family's traditions, you can see why you'd be pretty protective of that.

"So it's trying to bridge those gaps that I think is going to be part of the biggest task over the next several months. And that means that advocates of gun control have to do a little more listening than they do sometimes."

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/01/27/170393072/gun-control-advocates-should-listen-more-obama-says

[Bonobo]

8. Look at stats for gun deaths in Vermont.

Everything you said is bulshit.

A perfect example of what I have come to call "ritual posturing".

[wyldwolf]

10. "Everything you said is bulshit."

So you're saying Bernie DIDN'T say that?

Look at stats for gun deaths in Vermont.

Gun deaths are 9.2 per 100k in Vermont.
In California, it is 7.7; in Illinois it is 8.6.

[Bonobo]

13. Murder deaths statisitics (maybe you thought I wouldn't look it up?)

GUN MURDERS (per 100,000 ihabitants) 2010

Vermont 0.3
Illionois 2.8
California 3.4

This despite the fact that the rate of gun ownership per capita is far higher than either of those states.

Ritual outrage to demonstrate moral superiority, surprisingly, does not actually address problems.

[wyldwolf]

14. Why should I care whether you look it up?

Murder is just one part of gun deaths. Suicides and accidental deaths, all play a role in the overall picture.

[Bonobo]

17. Yes, hunting deaths are JUST like violent murders.

Just as accidental car deaths are the same as driving into a group of people.

You tried to show misleading stats and were caught.

Sorry about that.

[wyldwolf]

19. Gun deaths = suicide, accidental deaths, etc.

A child who picks up his mother's gun and accidentally blows his own head off is a gun death. \

You tried to redefine gun deaths stats as 'murder' out of desperation.

You tried to show misleading stats and were caught.

http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/firearms-death-rate-per-100000/

oops.

[Bonobo]

21. Wyldwolf, look at the statement by Bernie that YOU quoted, ok?

""...the people of my state understand, I think pretty clearly, that guns in Vermont are not the same thing as guns in Chicago or guns in Los Angeles. In our state, guns are used for hunting. In Chicago, they're used for kids in gangs killing other kids or people shooting at police, shooting down innocent people.""

And the statistics prove that he is exactly correct.

Period. Checkmate. Game over. That is what he said and it is true.

Oooops.

[beam me up scottie]

23. Exactly. He was pointing out the difference between rural and urban gun use.

But trying to paint Bernie as a gun nut and a racist is all they've got.

Recycling the same old memes because they don't know how to promote their candidate any other way.

[teach me everything]

46. Wanna really corner them? Ask them what issues that

they like about Clinton. They'll just deflect. And hate you for it.

[wyldwolf]

52. that, in itself, would be a deflection of the subject being discussed

[Bonobo]

56. You mean the subject of the OP that you literally have run from? nt

[wyldwolf]

58. No, bringing up something irrelevant to cause some imagined squirming.

[beam me up scottie]

59. Like her pro-death penalty stance?

They're so concerned about blm and guns but they won't say one thing about Hillary's faith in the racist death penalty.

I wonder why?

[wyldwolf]

65. Like I said, irrelevant and trying to cause 'squirming.'

[beam me up scottie]

67. The death penalty is irrelevant when it comes to racism?

[wyldwolf]

70. It's irrelevant when it comes to this thread.

[beam me up scottie]

72. LOL! It's only irrelevant to you because you're trying to dig yourself out of that hole.

[wyldwolf]

74. It's about as relevant as bringing what I had for dinner into the discussion

[beam me up scottie]

77. Hillary supports the death penalty which is inherently racist, explain why you're okay with that.

[wyldwolf]

81. I had a frozen chicken meal for dinner. I heated it up, of course.

[beam me up scottie]

87. Good to know racism is only relevant when you say it is.

[wyldwolf]

90. Apparently, it's only relevant when YOU say it is

Explains the reaction to Bernie's gun stances on display in this subthread.

[cali]

149. bwahaha. every word you've written in this thread is an attempt to deflect

[840high]

84. I've done that and got

no answer.

[beam me up scottie]

93. Of course not. Racism isn't really important to some, it's just another political football.

[wyldwolf]

24. Perhaps you should look closer (and I'll bold different parts like you did.

"...the people of my state understand, I think pretty clearly, that guns in Vermont are not the same thing as guns in Chicago or guns in Los Angeles. In our state, guns are used for hunting. In Chicago, they're used for kids in gangs killing other kids or people shooting at police, shooting down innocent people.""

So he's saying in Vermont, guns are only used for hunting but in Chicago and LA, guns are only used for murder? Or, more specifically, gang violence? Dog whistle.

The stats show, and I've demonstrated as such, their are more gun deaths per 100,000 in Vt than in LA and Chicago.

Period. Checkmate. Game over.

[Bonobo]

26. "Some men", etc.

You have descended into absurdity.

Highlight where he uses the word "only". He is making a generalization and it is a true one.

How many hunting deaths ARE there in L.A and Chicago?

How many gun murders ARE there in Vermont?

The statistics point to the truth of his statements and your ritualized recitations don't change it.

[wyldwolf]

28. you're defending his use of NRA talking points and redefining 'gun deaths.'

[Bonobo]

30. I am defending his statement that gun violence is not the same as accidental gun deaths.

Because they are not.

[wyldwolf]

31. Bernie never mentioned 'accidental gun deaths.'

[Bonobo]

32. Dude, his statement is absolutely correct.

"guns in Vermont are not the same thing as guns in Chicago or guns in Los Angeles. In our state, guns are used for hunting. "

It is true and all your posturing doesn't change it.

Reality is an actual place.

[wyldwolf]

33. Dude, it is not and t's a dog whistle

[Bonobo]

35. No, dude, you have become unable to tell artifice from reality. THAT is why you hear "whistles".

You have grown so accustomed to fake bullshit political howling that you have tinnitis.

[wyldwolf]

36. No, dude, you're denying statistics and redefining terms to suit yourself.

[Bonobo]

38. Just dealing with the quote YOU put out there. Oh, and THIS is a dog-whistle FYI.

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."
"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.



http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/05/clintons-white-americans-008545#ixzz3kuxF5OBU

[wyldwolf]

41. which said nothing about 'accidental deaths' as you're contending

[Bonobo]

44. Yes, it said gun issues in Vermont are different than gun issues in Chicago. And they are.

No matter how you squirm, you can't deny the truth of that statement that YOU quoted.

[wyldwolf]

49. Of course. VT has higher gun deaths per 100,000. That's different.

[Bonobo]

50. I think this sub-thread has run its course. This OP is about Hillary's RACIST dog-whistling.

Care to discuss that?

I thought not.

[wyldwolf]

54. And this subthread reminds some of Bernie's RACIST dog-whistling.

[beam me up scottie]

60. You have yet to point out the racism in comparing rural and urban gun use.

[wyldwolf]

61. no, you're just denying it.

[beam me up scottie]

62. Denying what? Obama said the same thing, is he a racist too?

"Part of being able to move this forward is understanding the reality of guns in urban areas are very different from the realities of guns in rural areas. And if you grew up and your dad gave you a hunting rifle when you were ten, and you went out and spent the day with him and your uncles, and that became part of your family's traditions, you can see why you'd be pretty protective of that."

[wyldwolf]

63. Sander's racist dog whistles.

[beam me up scottie]

64. Where? Point them out.

Then compare them to what Obama said and tell me the difference.

[wyldwolf]

66. I already did. Instead of asking me to give your a summary of the thread, read it yourself.

[beam me up scottie]

68. No, you didn't. You made a bullshit accusation and failed to back it up.

[wyldwolf]

69. Yes I did and I backed it up.

[beam me up scottie]

71. Obama said the same thing so I guess he's a racist too using your "logic".

Keep digging.

[wyldwolf]

73. I'm not discussing Obama.

keep digging.

[beam me up scottie]

75. That's why you failed to prove your racism claim, you ignored facts and context.

[wyldwolf]

76. How can one 'prove' a racism claim?

[beam me up scottie]

78. By using facts. You should try it next time.

[wyldwolf]

79. Facts like the ones in the OP?

[beam me up scottie]

83. You mean Hillary's God, Guns and Good Ole Boys 2008 tour?:

[wyldwolf]

86. you can prove that's racist?

[beam me up scottie]

91. Racist like: "Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans"

Her dog whistle even made it into wikipedia.

[wyldwolf]

94. Wikipedia sets the gold standard for what qualifies as racism?

[beam me up scottie]

100. Keep denying their tactics in 2008.

[wyldwolf]

101. keep using Wikipedia as a source.

[beam me up scottie]

103. I have her own words as proof:

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."
"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.

[wyldwolf]

105. As proof of what?

[dsc]

107. actually Obama didn't say the same thing

I know this may shock you but black folk live in rural areas too. But they pretty much don't live in Vermont.

[beam me up scottie]

110. They both compared rural and urban gun use.

"...the people of my state understand, I think pretty clearly, that guns in Vermont are not the same thing as guns in Chicago or guns in Los Angeles. In our state, guns are used for hunting. In Chicago, they're used for kids in gangs killing other kids or people shooting at police, shooting down innocent people."

"Part of being able to move this forward is understanding the reality of guns in urban areas are very different from the realities of guns in rural areas. And if you grew up and your dad gave you a hunting rifle when you were ten, and you went out and spent the day with him and your uncles, and that became part of your family's traditions, you can see why you'd be pretty protective of that.

[dsc]

155. Yes but Obama compared all rural areas

some of which are black and Hispanic to urban areas while Bernie compared Vermont which is nearly lily white to urban areas. Those aren't the same thing.

[beam me up scottie]

165. No shit. Bernie compared them to Vermont because that's where he's from.

Not because he's racist.

[dsc]

167. and of course that benefit doesn't go to anyone other than him

and certainly not Hillary right. The fact is his state actually has a much higher rate of firearm death than California or Illinois or for that matter New Jersey so his point is actually wrong.

[beam me up scottie]

168. That has nothing to do with the claim that he used a racist dog whistle.

Which is what you were defending.

[beam me up scottie]

117. "But they pretty much don't live in Vermont." Black folks don't live in Vermont?

I must have been imagining them.

[dsc]

157. they make up a grand total of 1.2% of the population

less than 1/10 their proportion in the nation as a whole. Yea, they pretty much don't live in Vermont.

[beam me up scottie]

166. So they do live in Vermont, thanks for clarifying.

I thought maybe I was hallucinating.

[wyldwolf]

92. Says who?

[beam me up scottie]

98. Every decent person on DU in 2008 when the Clintons blew the racist dog whistle.

While others still deny ever hearing it.

Keep it up, your mask is all the way off at this point.

[wyldwolf]

99. Really? Quote them.

[beam me up scottie]

102. Google is your friend. Keep digging.

[wyldwolf]

104. The burden of proof is yours. Keep digging

[beam me up scottie]

106. Enjoy:

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."
"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.

[wyldwolf]

108. that has nothing to do with you contention of ...

" Every decent person on DU in 2008... "

[merrily]

141. I'm almost sure genuinely not being able to distinction between fact and fiction is not

the issue. I guess I'm just more cynical than you.

The late, great Jackpine Radical always posted this when a post of mine mentioned cynicism. Now, I post it for him:

No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up

.
Lily Tomlin

[Cali_Democrat]

22. You make excellent points

I hate when gunners try to nitpick gun deaths.

Guns are way too prevalent in America.

[wyldwolf]

25. Some of these aren't gun nuts, though. Any other time, they'd agree...

... but since they have to defend Bernie, they resort to NRA talking points.

[Bonobo]

34. It must be hard work to attack true statements.

Bernie is a truth teller who does not substitute bullshit optics and ritualized pretend "town halls" to send messages.

The truth is the truth no matter how you try to spin it.

[wyldwolf]

37. NRA talking points are hardly true statements

[Bonobo]

39. LOL. Unless they happen to be both, I suppose.

If Hitler said flowers smell nice, it wouldn't make it untrue.

#logicfail

[wyldwolf]

40. unless one needs them t be true to defend Bernie Sanders

[Bonobo]

45. Not worthy of a response.

You aren't even trying anymore.

[wyldwolf]

47. Because you have no response that is worthy.

[Bonobo]

53. You are angry that I quoted statistics that show your "outrage" to be misplaced.

To quote Hillary: "Sorry if that made you feel uncomfortable."

[wyldwolf]

55. you are angry I sourced statistics that proved my original point.

To quote Bernie: “I refuse to play the game of ‘assault weapon.’ That’s any weapon. It’s a hammer.”

[Bonobo]

29. I am a "gunner" in your fantasy world.

I loathe when do-gooders posture and ignore the real world in order to bolster their image or their candidate.

Gun violence in the inner cities is not the same problem as hunting accidents.

To treat them the same is pure stupidity.

[Vattel]

42. If you really think Sanders was trying to suggest that only white people can be trusted with guns,

then you win a silly season medal of silliness.

[MannyGoldstein]

43. So guns are used for hunting in Chicago and LA?

LOL.

You're funny.

[karynnj]

109. Or maybe most of Vermont is rural with a hunting culture -- which is not true of Chicago

It has nothing to do with race.

[pocoloco]

111. "Translation: Only white folks can be trusted with guns."

Sounds like you looked up the statistics also. About 14 percent of the population
responsible for 52 percent of all homicides!!

Curious on the rates you found on Latinos and illegal immigrants??

[JDPriestly]

113. What do you do with a gun in the city other than shoot at a range or shoot people.

If you live in the country, you can hunt. Guns should be possessed only with a permit in large cities. Guns in rural areas or even small towns are understandable. Not so in large cities.

[merrily]

140. Guns in densely populated cities vs. guns in a rural state, but all you saw was skin color?

[Karma13612]

177. people in rural areas like Vermont

are hunters and in some cases, hunt for game to feed their family.

He wasn't saying only white people can be trusted with a weapon.

And I find it hard to believe that his comment could be construed as meaning that.

Also, regards the gun manufacturers vote:

This was his response when he was inteviewed recently by Jake Tapper on CNN (July 5 '15)

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.): “Now, the issues that you’re talking about is, if somebody has a gun and it falls into the hands of a murderer, and that murderer kills somebody with the gun, do you hold the gun manufacturer responsible? Not anymore than you would hold a hammer company responsible if somebody beat somebody over the head with a hammer. That is not what a lawsuit should be about.”

His reasoning sounds pretty logical to me. Another example would be the old chestnut: Do you hold an auto manufacturer responsible when someone commits suicide with their car and kills another motorist in the process? That has happened, and I doubt anyone is attempting to hold GMC responsible.

I feel horrible for all those people who have lost loved ones to guns, but suing the gun manufacturers is not the answer. Hold the online gun sellers and gun shows with no background checks, and high capacity magazines, etc. responsible.

I stand with Bernie Sanders because he stands with me. #Bernie16

[SouthernProgressive]

7. This is an attempt to create outrage based on flawed thoughts.

The flow of thought in your op is textbook fallacy.

[truebluegreen]

95. Out of curiosity, which one? Textbook fallacy, that is.

[SouthernProgressive]

145. It's such a clear and basic flow.

Elaboration isn't necessary to anyone who has cracked a book. Which on? Really? This is as straight forward as they come. Take a guess. Really blatant and simple one here.

[truebluegreen]

150. Actually, I've got the textbooks--

formal and informal logic--that's why I asked. Apparently you don't.

Bye now.

[Cheese Sandwich]

9. It won't work if this message gets out. The truth is a powerful thing to have on our side

And we do have it

[Vattel]

11. I guess I would need to see evidence that Clinton is involved in this sleazy tactic.

It is a tactic being used a lot--that much is clear--but the question I have is whether Clinton's campaign is in any way behind it.

[nichomachus]

12. Typical Clinton -- totally amoral

Win at any cost

[Rosa Luxemburg]

15. Whatever it is it is backfiring now

as it did in 2008

[Doctor_J]

16. I have seen a couple posts at DU that said "no more white men in the WH"

but I don't think this tentacle to her campaign is going to recruit many new or undecided voters. It's mostly comfort for those who want to dislike Sanders but can't think of a good reason

[Skwmom]

18. We're so racist we helped to get Obama elected. When people should be coming together to support

what is going on in the black community, they want to tear us apart for political benefit.

And in regards to Bernie, surf the net and you'll see some pretty disturbing posts - such as if you think It's a coincidence that Bernie Sanders can now say BLM without cringing... (which is ludicrous).

Considering Farrakhan is marching on DC on Oct 10th, this is a very volatile situation and it shouldn't be politics as usual.

The first Democratic Debate is scheduled for October 13 and Farrakhan's March is Oct 10th. Mere happenstance..... I wouldn't put any money on that bet.

In Clinton's meeting with BLM she referred to filling Yankee Stadium with white people who give you lip service. The irony is that Bernie is the one candidate who is definitely not giving lip service - as evidenced by his history.

[840high]

88. ...^ that

[Fawke Em]

159. Bernie is probably the only candidate who could fill Yankee Stadium.

With people of all colors.

[neverforget]

20. In 2008, Hillary Clinton said this about a pattern emerging......

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."
"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/05/clintons-white-americans-008545#ixzz3kuxF5OBU

[840high]

89. ty

[peacebird]

27. Just another reason i will write in Bernie if she wins the nom

[840high]

48. So will I.

[AtomicKitten]

57. I will do the same.

[SoapBox]

96. Add me to the list.

I will not vote for her.

[revmclaren]

115. Screen shot...

Thank you for the 'I will help elect a republican statements' . Don't bother responding to this...I don't respond to repub supporters.



P.s. no, I have never voted who I liked...only who would help the people against the republican insanity! Write ins are a wasted vote, and a wasted vote helps 'president Trump'.

[AtomicKitten]

118. Voting for her would be as if voting for a Republican on economic and foreign policy.

[revmclaren]

119. Hello no way...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251400587



Couldn't resist responding... But, no more for you!

[AtomicKitten]

121. Uh huh.

[Metric System]

143. PUMA alert! Bookmarking for future reference.

[peacebird]

146. I am a democrat. Not a DNC/DLC/3rd wayer. If Hillary wins the nom then the party has left me

It is too broken, owned and beholden to the deep pockets of the puppet masters. After 40 years of voting for and working for the Democratic party, donating time and money I will leave and start looking dor a party that once again actually represents my interests & beliefs.
You saw what happened in the mid terms? So many people disgusted they didn't bother to vote? Well, I will always vote, but if Hill is the nome I *will* write in Bernie Sanders in the general election.
Oh, and clearly, I will leave DU as the democratic party will have left me for a wallstreet loving corporatist warhawk who thinks we can frack& drill our way out of climate change.

[Metric System]

160. So you were OK with Gore, Kerry and Obama, but you'd draw the line at Hillary? Interesting.

[peacebird]

169. Loved Gore. Kerry was not my choice but I think he has integrity. I like Obama.

I do not trust Hillary to do anything on her liberal sounding campaign promises. She feels forced to say these things because of Sen Warren & Sen Sanders. The electorate is much further left than she wants to be.

[Metric System]

172. Interesting, considering Hillary's policies are in line with all of them.

[peacebird]

175. But her integrity is not. I do not trust her.

[Metric System]

144. Fuck the Supreme Court, right? Obviously you don't have much to worry about.

[peacebird]

170. My my my... Such language!

LOL!

[left-of-center2012]

51. Will they attack Bernie on his religion?

"Sanders has said he is "proud to be Jewish" but "not particularly religious."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders#Youth.2C_education_and_family

[Scootaloo]

128. Already seen a DU'er accuse him of being "more loyal to Tel Aviv"

Plus Diane Rehm insisting - over his corrections - that he has dual citizenship with Israel

[left-of-center2012]

158. Plus Diane Rehm insisting - over his corrections

Diane Rehm And A Bungled Interview With Senator Bernie Sanders:
To recap briefly what happened: During the interview Rehm said to Sanders: "Senator, you have dual citizenship with Israel." Even when Sanders immediately corrected her, Rehm pressed on, telling him his name was on a list of lawmakers with dual citizenship.

Rehm's apology later in the day contained the jaw-dropping admission that she got the erroneous information from "a comment on Facebook."

http://www.npr.org/sections/ombudsman/2015/06/12/413981429/diane-rehm-and-a-bungled-interview-with-senator-bernie-sanders

[beam me up scottie]

130. One HC supporter already did, anti-Semitism, racism and a racial slur all in one op:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251506371

[ProgressiveEconomist]

80. URL for gun deaths

per 100,000 by state in 2002:

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-death-rate-per-100-000

CA 9.8
IL 9.7
VT 9.6

[truebluegreen]

97. To quote post #13 above:

GUN MURDERS (per 100,000 inhabitants) 2010

Vermont 0.3
Illionois 2.8
California 3.4

This despite the fact that the rate of gun ownership per capita is far higher than either of those states.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

122. URL? Source of data?

Murders are a subset of deaths. But states may vary in reporting categories of gun deaths. Total gun deaths would seem to be more of an apples-to-apples comparison, and they were virtually identical across the three states, at least in 2002.

[INdemo]

114. When I read this I think about how the Clinton campaign

in 2008 came up with the Rev Wright issue and obviously it was one of Bill's dirty diggings.

It is just beginning and Hillary is obviously getting nervous and I'm wondering what excuse she will have when she loses Iowa..Hey there is 5 1/2 months to go and Bernie is this close. Problem for Hillary.

[Historic NY]

120. Notice only a handfull of Sanders surrogates controlled this thread...

apparently the dog whistles is them.

[AtomicKitten]

123. Question: What do Luis Gutierrez, Claire McCaskill, Anthony Weiner, Lanny Davis, Sid Blumenthal,

... Andrew Cuomo, and Joaquin Castro have in common?

Answer: They are ACTUAL Clinton surrogates deployed as drones to frag Bernie Sanders.

[revmclaren]

125. N.W.

[AtomicKitten]

126. you keep promising you're putting me on ignore

[revmclaren]

133. To all out there...

I NEVER put anyone on ignore. I just ignore them. I want to see EVERY inane and undemocratic thing that they post and respond...if I choose, to them. I know this will be read by the b.s.ers that hang on every word that certain posters tap out of their keyboards. But to you, tonight I say good night. tomorrow is another day not to directly respond if I choose.

[AtomicKitten]

134. Well, hell, imagine my disappointment.

[beam me up scottie]

136. I'm sure you're crushed, I know I would be.

[AtomicKitten]

138. The depths of my despair are immeasurable.

[revmclaren]

124. Yup

They always post about the desperation in the Clinton camp. This IS desperation!

I look forward to the up coming debates. I feel that they will be the defining moment in this whole circus of tears and angst. If anything, it will bring to the fore front the democratic message. I hope the B.S.ers realize that the questions that will be asked will come from the outside...he won't know what they will be. Clinton has been hit with so much BULL S$&@t that she will be ready for anything. The pluses of being a veteran politico.

By the time the first 2 or 3 debates are over, everyone will know who the democratic nominee will be. I won't have the popcorn ready.. This is aged scotch and imported salami time!

[Historic NY]

127. Same batch that didn't like my last post...

only two words for them.

[Scootaloo]

135. Please look up what the term "dog whistle" means.

[revmclaren]

131. Well off to bed...

Time on the Internet is limited for me. Of course vote your conscious as long as you relalize all actions have consiqences. D.U. is a minute cog in the political machine. Treat it as such. It represents .0025% of actual voters (give or take 'who gives a f@&k). I will vote for my family, my friends who are straight and lgbt, P.O.C., and other assorted minorities. The end game is universal rights...maybe a dream now but some day...if we don't give up and keep fighting. This is a war... And war gets nasty... And we do things that we don't particularly like, for those we love. That's being human. Peace.

[BlueStateLib]

132. sanders movement looking for any reason to justify their attacks on clinton

It was team Obama that played the race card over and over again. Governor Cuomo said shuck and jive one time but team Obama repeated Cuomo said shuck and jive 1000's of times.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clint_n_81205.html

[AtomicKitten]

137. KO on Hillary: "You're running against Obama as if you are the Republican and he the Democrat."

[cantbeserious]

153. ^^^ This ^^^

eom

[wyldwolf]

156. KO was fired from MSNBC and Gore's Current TV for the same behavior Sanders supporters exhibit here

"Current was founded on the values of respect, openness, collegiality, and loyalty to our viewers. Unfortunately these values are no longer reflected in our relationship with Keith Olbermann and we have ended it."

He's since been "released" from his second stint at ESPN for the same reasons.

[Bluenorthwest]

161. And look at how great Current TV did under Gore and Joel Hyatt, who is a homophobic jerk....

They bought it simply to sell it, which is what they did. Keith was supposed to have power in running the place and instead they berated his fully valid suggestions, aired third rate public access quality programming, marveled at the loss of audience and auctioned the place off to the highest bidder as soon as they shed themselves of the only actual TV person involved in what was really just a quick business deal. Hyatt and Gore demonstrated a great lack of good faith from day one. Notice neither of them has had anything to do with TV or media since, it was not about the work it was about the deal. Boo to them.
Where is Current TV? There is no Current TV. Joel Hyatt ate it for dinner.

[wyldwolf]

162. which doesn't alter the fact KO has been fired multiple times for being a jerk

[AtomicKitten]

164. He was correct calling Clinton on her racist campaign.

[merrily]

142. Yes. Only four things (so far) prevent me from supporting Hillary and that is one.

All four reasons here: http://sync.democraticunderground.com/12777603

[oberliner]

148. It's threads like this that give Sanders supporters a bad name

A post that serves no purpose other than to link the words "desperate, unethical, racist, and sleazy" to HRC.

[cali]

163. baloney. it is fact that the Clinton campaign used dog whistle tactica

against Obama in 2008, and there is a strong pattern emerging this year.

And you have made many ugly comments about Bernie and his supporters.

[oberliner]

178. Sanders makes a point of not attacking Hillary in this way

I would encourage others to follow his example.

[jeff47]

173. I apologize that history does not conform to your worldview. (nt)

[AtomicKitten]

174. Among whom? Clinton supporters? Pfft.

[oberliner]

179. How about Bernie himself?

This seems antithetical to the way he runs his campaign.

[AtomicKitten]

180. Cut the crap. Clinton supporters have visciously attacked Bernie here.

They've annexed the AA group to launch race-baiting nasty attacks on Bernie AND his supporters.

[oberliner]

181. They shouldn't do that either

It would be better if folks could focus on discussing policy differences rather than all that other BS.

[AtomicKitten]

183. On that point I completely agree. <nt>

[JoePhilly]

176. By some one who has attacked Obama for 6 years.

Now the op is concerned about an event in 2008.

[cantbeserious]

151. IMHO - The HRC Campaign Is So Desperate To Fulfill The First Woman President Meme

That They Will Do Anything To Win - Even To The Detriment Of The Country, The People and The Reputation Of Other Politicians.

[orpupilofnature57]

154. Clintonian = Machiavellian

Her whole career, moving to NY to become a Senator who sent jobs south, who helped bring Wars, who told us the Bail-out was necessary, who has usurped authorities and shirked from responsibility, all while speaking well and Waving .