2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Heading Back to South Carolina with Cornel West in Tow
Sanders will appear at Winthrop with Cornel West, prominent political activist, former Harvard professor, and member of the Democratic Socialists of America. Sanders was elected to his U.S. Senate seat in Vermont as an independent in 2006. Before that, he served as Vermonts representative in the U.S. House for 16 years.
Sanders, seeking the Democratic Partys nomination for president, is running in a far less crowded field than the Republican hopefuls who have campaigned across South Carolina this summer.
GOP hopefuls Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee, Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Rick Santorum and Lindsey Graham have all stopped in or around York County.
Sanders will be the first Democratic hopeful to appear in the Rock Hill area.
Read more here: http://www.heraldonline.com/news/local/article34058442.html#storylink=cpy
SamKnause
(13,091 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Yeah that is going to help him in South Carolina! Brillaint!
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)At least he doesn't try to talk "Southern" or "black" to them like Illinois-born Clinton in 2007. People are people, no matter their color, and, like most people (judging from your beloved polls showing his support growing and hers sinking), the more they hear from Bernie, the more they love him. I suspect PoC are no different.
Photos courtesy of South Carolina for Bernie Sanders
To see more photos of diversity in South Carolina, please visit the South Carolina for Bernie Facebook Page.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)July 7 in Woodfield, SC?
https://www.facebook.com/BernieSandersSC/photos/pb.1664750367087913.-2207520000.1441594966./1718131988416417/?type=3&theater
Tons of people there before all the hoopla about his crowd sizes made the news.
MADem
(135,425 posts)PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)But July 7th is the right date for Portland, so unless the SC event pic was titled with the wrong date, you must be correct.
I guess it just looks different than I remember, being filled to capacity like that. Plus, it's been nearly 20 years since Hillary spoke to us at the 1996 Maine State Democratic Convention.
I haven't been there since, but if I could have attended, I would have loved to see Bernie.
MADem
(135,425 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)but he "remembers it"
MADem
(135,425 posts)Amish Farmer
(54 posts)And he will switch. God bless Lewis.
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Amish Farmer
(54 posts)Not now, but at the end.
One vote, one person. Our votes are not for sale.
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Who are selling their votes?
You have been here a few hours. Who exactly are you accusing of selling their votes? Strange accusation.
Amish Farmer
(54 posts)In a coma? The politicians seems to think our votes are taken for granted.
Not anymore. It's time that we wisely choose the standard bearer for the Democratic party. That bearer reflects our desires and our wishes. Clinton does not reflect our desires and our wishes. Only one man can do that and be honest about it. You ignore this one-of-a-kind man at your great peril.
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)In a coma?
Where have you been? You just got here. Only one MAN can do this???? The man can do this and if I ignore it I am at peril?
Lol~ The Women can do it better and faster and brighter!
Women are awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Welcome to DU, I think you will fit in well.
Amish Farmer
(54 posts)in terms of issues?
Because having the wrong piece of equipment, you dismiss Clinton as a strong supporter of women's rights - he goes even further than Clinton.
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Please state your issues. Mine have already been posted.
I am confused here. What do you mean?
in terms of issues?"
The wrong piece of equipment???? Clinton has the wrong piece of equipment? WTF? She has a vagina, Bernie has a penis. Your point????? I am sure as hell not dismissing Clinton as a strong supporter of womens rights.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Wow....men sure do like telling us lowly wommin folk who is best for us.....I mean whatever would we do without your masculine advice? We couldnt possibly decide for iurselves you see...afterall we might do someting stupid and vote for one of those women who have ran thier whole careers on women's issues..., ...can't have that happen....nosireebob!
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I'm a woman and that was NOT a case of a man telling a woman what to do. I would recognize that.
He asked a question and then stated his position.
You, dear, need to get that vulva chip off your shoulder.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)And keep your bits to yourself....
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sheshe2
(83,710 posts)sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)She's been co-opted by Wall Street and war hawks.
BTW, just because a new poster shows up here doesn't mean he or she hasn't been paying attention. DU is hardly a blip on the political radar.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Thats a whole lotta switchin' Right there...
Guess who are difficult demographics for Bernie?
African Americans (pretty solid Clinton supporters)
Women (self explanatory) and
Hispanics....(She has a female Hispanic political director, she is about to go on a Thank you trip to Puerto Rico, and she is likely to draw on a Castro as Running Mate....check and mate)
Amish Farmer
(54 posts)The support for Bernie Sanders is only going to get stronger.
There's really very little left Clinton supporters can attempt that isn't an original attack that has been debunked already.
And surprisingly enough - the Republicans doesn't have anything much either, and yet the billion dollar SuperPAC is going to be attacking and looking stupid EVERY time they blare that shit.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)74% and those three reasons are why. Want proof? In Georgia and Florida had polls Saturday....both had her leading by about 30ish points again....now why do you think that is?
Amish Farmer
(54 posts)Bernie is going to visit Alabama and Mississippi and will also visit more as the fall begins and the debates are underway... and that will help raise Bernie's profile, and more PoC are going to notice. Clinton's voice will just remind of the same dog whistle attacks from 2008.
After that, the voters will make their choice, and it will reflect on the polls. The next few weeks are going to raise his profile to the South.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Do you guys really believe your narrative?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)I read that...what a ringing endorsement!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Decades in congress and not a single congressional peer (including the Progressive caucus) willing to provide an endorsement.
I know ... I know ... "endorsements don't matter" (this is a new age campaign model where my brother-in-law's word weighs more than an elected official, despite the fact that the elected officials keep getting elected) ... "the Progressive Caucus is not really progressive" ... and all the other excuses ... er, explanations.
Amish Farmer
(54 posts)and will remain tumbling down to near 0% chance of winning by the time all is said and done.
And Sanders will make sure the DNC be repopulated by the appropriate ideology as in progressive/liberal officers.
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)More appropriate to call VR~ Ms.
And..Hmmm Okay~
and will remain tumbling down to near 0% chance of winning by the time all is said and done. And Sanders will make sure the DNC be repopulated by the appropriate ideology as in progressive/liberal officers.
I love the Monkees~
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Isn't it?
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)They stand pat at 74% BECAUSE...she has solid support with women (naturally), she has VERY solid support from African Americans....
and she is working hard to bolster the Hispanic vote....(she hired a Latin woman as Political Director.....she is heading to Puerto Rico on a Thank You tour in a couple days, and everyone assumes she is going to Go Castro for a running mate....just to seal the deal.
Sanders cannot win without making significant strides with thosr groups.....practically Mission Impossible...which is why she has a 74% chance and Bernie has 11 or 12%
Amish Farmer
(54 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Its called Odds making.....and that particular one is created by Microsoft Research scientists.....
Its called Statistics and probability...
Amish Farmer
(54 posts)to Clinton
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Ohhhhhhkaayyyyyy......backing away nowwww.....
Whistle whistle whistle
That was one really big jump.....
Microsoft employees!!!! They do this on thier own......its not an a M.S. trademarked product
Not Bill Gates....
Research guys....statistics and probability side project...
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Latinos only switched to Obama for the GE.
Now, that is strong support and loyalty!
Response to lunamagica (Reply #105)
VanillaRhapsody This message was self-deleted by its author.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)this electioning stuff....is hard work....support and loyalty is your bread and butter!
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)revmclaren
(2,505 posts)Didn't take long for you to jump right in.
Enjoy your stay.
jfern
(5,204 posts)But switched to Obama during the primaries.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)You guys are going to find....Bernie not running as a Democrat....is going to come at a price....
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)John Lewis of Bernie, John Lewis has not endorsed Bernie, in fact none of the current members of congress has endorsed Bernie, and surely not John Lewis.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Everyday this place gets more and more like Redstate....
Cha
(297,029 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)Cha
(297,029 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)Cha
(297,029 posts)across our Nation..
Rep. Derek Kilmer (Wash.) "I'm proud to endorse Hillary Clinton for President. She is ready to fight to make our economy work for every American, Kilmer wrote on his Facebook page following Clintons announcement.
Rep. Jim Langevin (R.I.)
across the Nation..
Rep. Rick Larsen (Wash.) I endorse Hillary Clinton for President of the United States of America because she shares my belief that our country needs an economy that includes everyone and works for everyone. She has my full support, he wrote in a Facebook post.
Rep. John B. Larson (Conn.) "She is clearly worthy of the nations support and mineand she got it the old-fashioned way. She earned it," Larson said in a statement.
Rep. Sandy Levin (Mich.)
Rep. John Lewis (Ga.)
Rep. Ted Lieu (Calif.)
Rep. Nita Lowey (N.Y.) It has been my great honor to call Hillary Clinton my friend and constituent, Senator, and Secretary of State. I will work hard to ensure that in two years, we call her Madam President, she wrote Sunday on Facebook.
Rep. Stephen Lynch (Mass.)
Much MOre.. http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/238912-2016-hillary-endorsement-list
MADem
(135,425 posts)sheshe2
(83,710 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)That guy was dancing on the line -- gleefully.
Obvious is just so obvious!
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)They already had him. They were checking out his Ipp. ( correct term???) They think it was hawkeye.
Gone with the wind once again. What an ass.
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Besides, given Hillary's thin skin, she'll probably kick him off her team after seeing this picture.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Said nobody ever!
Let me introduce you to the GOP who have attacked her her entire career...
You better get worried about Sanders thin skin should he have to face them in the General.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Stop it! Please stop posting pictures of Bernie with random Black folks to prove what isn't.
Sincerely,
1SBM
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Thanks for that belly laugh.....it is rather tone deaf isn't it???
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)uponit7771
(90,323 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #3)
840high This message was self-deleted by its author.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)what's your point?
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)and nuance is making her seem like a an android and won't make people Trust her, which in case You haven't noticed is why she will never win the Election, My Point.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)In the final analysis, Bernie is going to resonate with more black South Carolinians by having West with him.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Major Hogwash.....as we say back home in South Carolina "bless your heart"
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Yeah Cornel West is going to "resonate" when he calls Pres. O a terrorist.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)corporations .
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)he is almost MLK there....and the Black vote....is what Sanders sorely needs if he is to have ANY chance at all....so please proceed.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Also, president Obama is not running again. The vast majority of what I see upthread is somehow an argument that a black man that has criticized American foreign policy is somehow not black enough to convince anyone that Bernie Sanders is a good candidate which means Hillary wins.
I am not black and I have no idea what effect Dr West campaigning with Bernie is going to have. I do know that Dr West was an big critic of the Iraq war early, often, and articulately.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Shrub, Daily !!!!
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... In SC.
Then people will get the popcorn cause fecal matter will hit the air molecure accelerator after that
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)a protest . Also the fact that Cornel West has worked All his life for people of all colors who have been victimized by the government, no matter who heads that government, provocative and offensive as it was, all the allegations made by Cornel West, were Spot on.
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... and nonconstructive critique while ignoring a tone of other factors as if they don't exist.
There's no reasonable person calling Obama perfect,...
There's going to be no reasonable person who's going to call Sanders perfect either...
Cha
(297,029 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... reaity
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Good luck with that....OH and if you think the Black folks in SC do not know anything about Cornell Wests attacks on Barack Obama.....you have another Think coming.....gird your loins!
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... you really think this is going to resonate with anyone else outside of Obama haters (which Sanders is starting to look like one) then ...
people can think what they like...
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Machine?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)I thought that was odd too, but I doubt you will get an explanation.
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)I was posting in AA on one of those threads about West. No love lost, none what so ever.
Cha
(297,029 posts)"the machine" directed at the beautiful people in DU's AA forum then so be it.
Totally clueless..and in BS's name. It's so special!
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Thanks Cha, I was just signing off.
Luv ya.
Cha
(297,029 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)uponit7771
(90,323 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... to make up shit out about someone to lower their value is hate... that's West and Smiley and they're despised among most black politicos because of their reflexive and petulance
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)agenda as 99% of politicians do, I'm sticking with that 1%, Bernie & Elizabeth, who else talks about why, who, and where our misery comes from.
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... be spouting the overt racist shit that comes out of West's mouth people would be all over them.
But go ahead people, defend West or minimize his overtly racist tripe ... it's no wonder some hate Obama...
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)sheshe2
(83,710 posts)The first Black President of the United States, so maligned and so disrespected. He was elected twice as President, by the majority of the people. He has been disrespected as has his sweet family, yet some see West feelings far more important than the President of the United States.
Yet poor little West had his fee fees hurt. He was frustrated? Okay got it, the President now and always will mean next to nothing.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Bernie DESPERATELY needs the votes of African Americans if he has any chance to win....he cannot afford Cornell West going off on the President!
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)jeepers
(314 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Way to go Bernie!!!
Pick a black man, that, how should I say this....not well loved or respected in the AA community and embrace him. A winning team for sure.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)God, and Clinton supporters think Sanders campaign is tone deaf.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)where he desperately needs to pick up Black votes????
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)I will, thank you for your permission. So kind of you.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I like Cornel West but he says all manner of crazy shit.
This is a big risk for Bernie. Dr West says anything that is on his mind no matter how unpopular.
What if he says some crazy shit and creates a negative buzz? He could literally fuck everything up.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)And I don't think he says "crazy shit." He may just say shit that needs to be said, but I suspect this will be more like a rally and less like some sit-down, drawn-out interview.
He'll probably just talk about oppression - both economically and in terms of race and gender - introduce Sanders and sit down.
The key in this visit is for Dr. West to introduce Sanders to the black leaders in the state - not just the U.S. delegation, whom Sanders already knows, but to those down ticket on the state and local levels.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I hope not.
I used the wrong word. Instead of crazy I should have said complicated, confusing and controversial.
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Naiveté of Tavis Smiley & Cornel West Attack On Obama Danger To Poor & Blacks
Tavis Smiley was never an ardent supporter of President Obama. That of course is his right. His antagonism of the president during the 2008 Democratic Primaries hit a crescendo when the president did not attend Smileys State Of The Black Union forum in New Orleans even as Hillary Clinton did. In a further display of uncalled for arrogance, he rejected then Senator Obamas request to have Michelle Obama represent him at the forum. Further he castigated Senator Obama for distancing himself from Reverend Jeremiah Wright, and for not attending African American events Smiley deemed he should attend. The height of this mans arrogance, lack of scope, and self-serving hyperbole makes him an unfit spokesman for the cause of the poor and disenfranchised. That Dr. Cornel West has allowed himself to be Tavis Smileys sidekick speaks poorly of his judgment.
I received an email from a dear friend today that made me aware of an interview given to Smiley and West on Democracy Now with Amy Goodman & Juan González. In that interview Cornel West referred to the president as a Rockefeller Republican in blackface. He also implied that Al Sharpton, Melissa Harris-Perry, and Michael Dyson, three MSNBC personalities generally supportive of the President are on the take. Had such statements being made by others in the media, both Smiley and West would be up in arms making accusations of racism. They continued to bash the president on his progressive negotiating skills and his lack of doing anything for the poor. What their argument lacked was specifics of what they believe the executive could really do to correct many of the ills in the black community specifically and for the poor generally.
Here is the reality. America was not ready for a black president in 2008 or 2012. President Obama defied many realities with his political skills and a very competent campaign to win. He was aided by Bush fatigue, a depressed economy, and a lousy candidate in John McCain in 2008. In 2012 he was aided by a Plutocrat he made unelectable early in the campaign because to a sufficiently large percentage of prejudiced Americans, a black president they despise is better than the white president that will destroy their middle class life. One can only guess that Kansas is waking up. The President made himself the least fearful black man in the United States. He ensured that no events that he attended could possibly be used to insight white racial fears. He ensured that America was well aware of his white mother and that he was partially raised by his white grandparents.
Read More http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/24/1164307/-Naivet-of-Tavis-Smiley-Cornel-West-Attack-On-Obama-Danger-To-Poor-Blacks#
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)State Senator Pickney at an AA church full of peeps who adore and love the President as much as I do. Good luck with Cornel West as an AA recruiting strategy.
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)and the only reason so many here do is because he had temerity to criticize Obama. some people seem to think every black person in america fawns over Obama the way some of his more ardent supporters do here.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)throughout the AA community - at all levels.
Number23
(24,544 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)But the majority of those that do, don't have much love or respect for him.
And that said, those that don't know who he is, are unlikely to hear anything that he says.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)again, those that do not know who he is are unlikely to be the types to come out to hear his message.
Cha
(297,029 posts)uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... they drink gallons of Obama HaterAide
Cha
(297,029 posts)Don't try to sugar coat it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026899166
Rockefeller Republican in blackface.
brown-faced Clinton.
"Kenny G in brown skin.
"a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs"
"a black puppet of corporate plutocrats."
"a niggerized black person."
Cali http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=575906
And, your using the word "fawn" when talking about President Obama's supporters say everything about you and nothing about us.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)too absurd to even comment on, given the dismal statistics that continue to plague the poorest among us. those statistics simply do not change, regardless of who has which letter behind his/her name in the white house. why is UI still so high among african-americans, for example? is that because of tavis smiley and cornel west?
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)Check out the The Obama Diary. These type of stats are posted everyday which I retweet DAILY.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)You are not his target audience...
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 7, 2015, 02:33 PM - Edit history (1)
Because Cornel West is a potential nightmare in SC
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)You said this!
Cornel West Takes on Obama
snip
Melissa Harris-Perry writes in The Nation:
Furthermore, Wests sense of betrayal is clearly more personal than ideological. In Hedgess article West claims that a true progressive would always put love of the people above concern with the elite and privileged. Then he complains, I couldnt get a ticket [to the inauguration] with my mother and my brother. I said this is very strange. We drive into the hotel and the guy who picks up my bags from the hotel has a ticket to the inauguration
We had to watch the thing in the hotel. Let me get this straightthe tenured, Princeton professor who collects five figures for public lectures was relegated to a hotel television while an anonymous hotel worker got tickets to the inauguration! What kind of crazy, mixed up class politics are these? Wait a minute
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2011/05/20/cornel-west-takes-on-obama/
Things that need to be said....K?~
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)What could go wrong?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)HappyPlace
(568 posts)that is all
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)sheshe2
(83,710 posts)uponit7771
(90,323 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)K&R
MADem
(135,425 posts)mak3cats
(1,573 posts)Sorry, but I think every human has the right to his or her own opinion, without consideration of what "group" they belong to. Otherwise, I would be expected to unquestioningly support Hillary because we both happen to have vaginas. (My apology for the blunt language.)
MADem
(135,425 posts)I can't even repeat some of the invective CW has said about POTUS without having to use ellipses and asterisks. The man has said some ugly shit about Barack, stuff that doesn't go down well with a substantial percentage of the community. Here's a MILD example: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/22/cornel-west-barack-obama_n_3635614.html
I have to wonder if someone isn't screwing Sanders over with this pairing and he's just not sufficiently wired in to understand the political consequences. IMO, it's a HORRIBLE idea. It's another game of breaking off the fringe. I don't see it ending well at all.
If he wants the nomination of the DEMOCRATIC Party....do you seriously think it is a good idea to drag along behind him an assclown who has done nothing save SHIT on the head of that party...and then expect any grace or favors? It's lunacy. It is a recipe for self-destruction.
Here, read this:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/08/cornel-west-and-the-insular-obama-hating-left.html
Then read this (it is a bit of a slog but try to get through it--it's someone who has been through the wringer with this guy):
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121550/cornel-wests-rise-fall-our-most-exciting-black-scholar-ghost
I'd say this is a tactical mistake of the first magnitude. Would love to know who gave him this "advice."
Holy Shit. And Bernie is walking hand and hand with him.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Sanders really wants this at his side?
Or is it just desperation and inability to find another prominent AA to stand by him?
Regardless, it makes Sanders look clueless.
MADem
(135,425 posts)shit, the non-contextual among us would slap ME with a hide.
If he goes off on that tangent while he happily listens to himself talk, he's going to encounter some revulsion...unless, of course, he's talking to a bunch of far rightwingers who cheer him on.
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)uponit7771
(90,323 posts)sheshe2
(83,710 posts)When the lion and the whining pussy-cat came face to face, it was no contest as the lion (Dyson) told the pussy-cat (West), you aint that important.
Cornel West has been parading around for awhile like an ignorant Ostrich blaming the Obama administration for everything bad under the sun happening to America, since he started lamenting that Obama refused to invite him, his mother, uncle and brother to the first inaugural ceremonies in 2008. Just because he luke-warmly supported Obama during the campaign. Listen, he was a late comer having behaved like the other black leaders who kept their distance from Obama until the whites in Iowa dealt a blow to Hilarys ambition, before they realized oh wow, if the whites thought so highly about our own, why shouldnt we support him. Okay, so what if he supported Obama during the campaign. So did a lot of us. I used hours of my radio program to blast the hell out of Mr. Bomb Bomb McCain.
Okay, I received the general invitation and I had to watch the inauguration almost from the edge of the Potomac river, and it cost me a lot of money to journey to Washington, DC, and check us into an suitable hotel. So Prof. West why do you think you are more important, ehn?
Okay, this is not about me, it is about you calling Rev. Al Sharpton, Dr. Melissa Harris-Perry and Dr. Michael Eric Dyson house negroes of the Obama White House, and being a Judas of the black community when it comes to the Obama administration in your hateful comments and criticisms, a courage you didnt display during the Bush administration. But hey, you got your comeuppance from Michael, and as told by Rolling Out, I am glad:
Read More http://africansuntimes.com/2014/04/dyson-puts-cornel-west-where-he-belongs-you-aint-that-important/
He and Tavis are quite a pair are they not MADem!?
MADem
(135,425 posts)this will do it, or something...?
"Hi, I'm Bernie Sanders, and I want the nomination of the Democratic Party, which is led by a guy named BARACK OBAMA....so here I am, playing a dog-and-pony show with the guy who calls Obama every nasty racist/racial-cuz-he-can-get-away-with-it name in the book!"
Does he not realize that Obama polls well with many--no, MOST-- black people? And that Cornel's whinging shit goes over like a lead balloon?
Bernie knows economic issues. He lost the dance at the cotillion when it comes to social issues. He lost when he embraced West. West hates Obama, you lost Bernie, you do not throw Obama under the bus. As you well know, AA does not think highly of West or Tavis.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Anyone who knows anything about Cornel, they know it's all about HIM. He wants the spotlight, and he wants center stage.
He won't be able to help himself, he'll start running his mouth and call Obama one of those rude words--he just HAS to have attention, and the way he always gets it is to lob some bitter nasty "plantation" comment at POTUS. The only question, really, is how offensive he'll get.
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Cornel does indeed love the limelight. He won't be able to stop himself. I am holding myself in check here. To easy to get a hide.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Get out of your bubble, lady.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)They are viewed as being anti-Obama out of ego for not getting a special seat at the inauguration. Folks here in Harlem haven't forgotten that, and I doubt African American folks elsewhere have forgotten that either.
If you don't know that, it is you living in a bubble.
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)uponit7771
(90,323 posts)They do.
Do you post at AA often? Do you read there posts?
I don't remember seeing you there.
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... is but embrassing an asshole like West makes me think he either hates Obama too or isn't paying a bit of attention to black politico
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Bernie Sanders has been in Congress working for the poor and working people for several decades now.
HappyPlace
(568 posts)And that it will hurt Bernie, someone who they really don't like because of a certain other candidate.
I'm dizzy, I need to sit down.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Your concern is duly noted.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Skipped back to NYC, surely.
Sid
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)a white man/person (Person W1) warning a Black person (Person B2) that a white person (W2) is telling them about a Black person (B2); when, the W2's "warning" is closer to the majority sentiment of Black folks, than B1.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)What do you want to bet there will be a lot of people there from North Carolina to hear Bernie speak, too?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)A little further South....I aint saying he cannot get a crowd.....Its who Bernie DESPERATELY needs to ingratiate himself with in the Southern States if he is to have ANY kind of a chance in the Primary.....and he brings Cornell West who tends to act like everyone's drunk and angry uncle at the Thanksgiving Dinner! That would be helpful....let him go down there and Trash talk Barack Obama...that'll help for SURE!
Brilliant!....please proceed.
Amish Farmer
(54 posts)If there are at least 5% of the Rock Hill crowd at Bernie's rally that are diverse, will you quietly silence yourself and reconsider your race-baiting tactics?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Oh that'll help!
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)And when challenged, she then brings out some betting site.
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VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)PredictWise is a research project which includes members of Microsoft Research, but should in no way be construed as representing the views or predictions of Microsoft or any of its entities....
They take in all datapoints....just like any bookie would....and create the odds...You just don't like the odds....
And Nate Silver and Real Clear Politics say the same thing....
HappyPlace
(568 posts)We need you living to fight another day.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Scred loves Lily
(17 posts)hate clowns.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Still have no idea what you are trying to say...
Perhaps try clarity.....
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I'll just have to take your word for it...
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Good to see you. You have been gone so long. I have missed talking to you.
Here is something. I have listened to Tavis and Cornel on NPR. Honestly, I do not like them very much. They trash our President constantly.
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/1251574719#post32
He also called Sharpton, Perry and Dyson 'House Negros'. Not a good embrace for Bernie. IMHO, not good at all.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 7, 2015, 06:01 PM - Edit history (1)
I was there 40 years ago today.
I was stationed at Fort Jackson when I went through boot camp in the Army.
Fort Jackson is located just outside of Columbia.
I haven't been gone at all.
I've posted at DU all summer long.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I did until 4 years ago....
No the Anti Obama' Sharpton and Dyson rhetoric is not going to play well...in fact its darn near tone deaf!
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)I have never been to So. Carolina.
Me, I just will never like someone that trashes Obama. Tavis and Cornel have done that. What they have done is petty and small. I know we have different candidates, doesn't mean I don't still luv ya.
I stay here for Obama. I will stay until he is gone. I am weaning myself of this place. I have friends in AA and HoF and BOG. I love them all. I want to stay in touch.
So sorry I missed you all summer. I would have loved to have said hello.
Best~
she
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)They don't get 100 inches of snow in the winter.
They have sand fleas that will bite you in places hidden under your clothes.
And the humidity in late summer will make you forget about taking showers in the morning because you will be soaked again by 10 AM anyway.
It's a lovely place probably.
Nevertheless, back in 2008 it was none other than Hillary and Bill Clinton trashing Obama.
So, I will agree with you about that one sentiment you have, I will never like someone like that, either.
I don't forget or forgive because the stakes were too high for us back in 2008 for that kind of nonsense.
I don't post in the HOF or the BOG or the AA groups anymore, mostly because you guys said that Bernie's supporters are all racists.
I think I have lost a lot of good friends at the DU this summer simply because I disagree with the notion that all of Bernie's supporters are racists.
All that happened right here at the DU.
Not on Twitter.
Not on Facebook.
Right here on the good ol' DU.
It's been at least 90 days since you have made any comments to me.
I just figured it was because you were busy.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Not sure I would like the sand fleas and humidity any better. At the very least, I would not have had to shovel them. However, I did little of that last year. My sweet downstairs neighbor too care of most of that for me. Bless his heart.
I was not here in 2008.Yet I watched and read anything I could. I wanted Obama. I truly did. He has done so much for us despite the hate.
So, I will agree with you about that one sentiment you have, I will never like someone like that, either.
I don't forget or forgive because the stakes were too high for us back in 2008 for that kind of nonsense.
Did I agree then on some of what Bill and Hillary said about him, no. Yet he is a generous man. They worked out their differences. If he forgave that, then I do as well. She evolved. You know, that was politics what Cornnel and Tavis are doing is personal. They keep doubling down. "the first niggerized President"
I received an email from a dear friend today that made me aware of an interview given to Smiley and West on Democracy Now with Amy Goodman & Juan González. In that interview Cornel West referred to the president as a Rockefeller Republican in blackface. He also implied that Al Sharpton, Melissa Harris-Perry, and Michael Dyson, three MSNBC personalities generally supportive of the President are on the take. Had such statements being made by others in the media, both Smiley and West would be up in arms making accusations of racism.
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=574916
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He also called them "house Negros"
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This is the hardest to address. No 0ne here ever said this. No one. No one here has ever used such a large brush saying all Sanders supporters are racist. Are there some? Yes! Are some HRC supporters racist? Again yes.
I think I have lost a lot of good friends at the DU this summer simply because I disagree with the notion that all of Bernie's supporters are racists.
All that happened right here at the DU.
As for not talking to you, I sent you a pm, actually now two. I had been looking for you.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)I have been here since 2003, but left in 2004 for quite a spell when a lot of people here started bashing Kerry.
Nevertheless, I have been here all summer this year, reading and writing.
And I read what was said about Bernie supporters in the AA group.
And in the HOF group.
And in the BOG.
That's why it is the hardest part for you to address.
Who is that in your avatar?
It doesn't matter much.
The annexation of those groups doesn't bother me much.
I had to block getting PMs from the people who had sent me PMs previously because I was getting too many PMs.
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Okay. Now you know I tried.
You read what was said, yet it was never said that all Bernie supporters are racist. No one ever did. I have been accused of a lot of things, yet I never said that. It was never said!
My avatar is bravenak.
She was a Bernie supporter. She is AA. She kept trying to explain where she was coming from and #black lives matter. She did Op after Op trying to explain to the Bernie group that they needed to chill. She was accused of being a Hill supporter. Trust me, she never was. She had 4 hides in a few hours on August 8th.They wanted her silent. Well they did. She was a Bernie supporter and they SILENCED her. Now, she is undecided.
I love her, never cared who she supported, she is such a kind person.
Me, I am white, blond, blue eyed. I will fight very day for justice. Because black lives matter to me.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)I had to. I was getting too many.
I also put some people on ignore.
I know all about bravenak.
I don't why she went overboard the way she did, but she did.
She was lucky she wasn't banned.
I've seen other members at the DU banned for less.
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)I'll try here.
Bravenak, all AA are incredibly frustrated. Are they angry, yes they are. They are being shot down unarmed in the street.The perp? That would be the police. They are walking on all charges. Free, they walk with impunity.
The frustration? People go into that group and explain how they should feel. They tell AA how they should react and what is best for them. They tell them who the best candidate is for them. They are one of the kindest, most understanding and tolerant groups here. Guess what, they are being alert stalked and driven off this board. That is a fact.
FYI, Hillary supporters are being stalked as well. We are the minority here. BS supporters control the juries. I want this to be fair. It is not.
As a woman, no person will ever TELL me what is right for me. I am informed and will make the decision that is best for me and those I hold dear. I am not a single issue voter, never have been, Major.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)calling Bernie supporters as racist ... though there ARE some Bernie support who very well may be racist, and have said some racially sketchy things (e.g., calling an African-American posters raising racial issues a "Race-nagger" ... poster calling African-American posters discussing racial issues, "perpetually perturbed" .
Cha
(297,029 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)to wear the "implied" message being communicated by PoC DUers (and our allies); while ignoring the plain language of Bernie supporters directed AT PoC DUer ... for no other apparent reason than because they are Bernie supporters.
As the saying going, "there may be racist Bernie supporters but they are OUR racist Bernie supporters"
Cha
(297,029 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and when pressed, they have only been able to post the Marissa/BLM thing.
It got so thick that I had to take a break ... and as I was walking, it struck me ... We have officially enter a strange place where white DUers are doing the same stuff that if they were Black, some would be calling them out for "Playing the race card".
When it comes to Black grievances, we have to point to exact and specific language that is unquestioningly racist in nature, lest we be dismissed as being "perpetually perturbed" or "race-naggers", seeing insult where none exists; but, these white DUers are basing their entire claim on their interpretation of they found, having read between the lines of implied statements made by Black DUers (and our allies) ... And, to make matters worse, unless these aggrieved, and offended, DUers were in Seattle, the comment couldn't possibly have been directed at them!
This is Strange Space we find ourselves.
Scred loves Lily
(17 posts)No dogs, no niggers, and no GI's was still on the gate at Spartinburg gate when I was there.
nite buddy,
you are next on fire guard.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)and not only Charlotte but those who couldn't get into his speech in Columbia, SC last month which is only 70 miles away. And, there's both a black college and community college in Rock Hill.
I hope Winthrop has a big enough Auditorium or Stadium to capture the crowds. Winthrop has 7,000 students..so hopefully so.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)If Bernie thinks that by talking to ALL Americans is the right way to go about winning over people, I think he will become more popular.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 7, 2015, 04:03 PM - Edit history (1)
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salib
(2,116 posts)Please try to use better images in OP titles. The original title for the article is "Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders schedules campaign rally at Winthrop University in Rock Hill".
Last edited Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:56 AM - Edit history (1)
For what its worth, I don't think there's any negative connotation with the idiom, and it's origin is very old, middle english it seems. And it seems to have meant the same thing then, either carts or ships being roped together.
Maybe you can be more descriptive about the imagery this phrase evokes for you?
salib
(2,116 posts)I wouldike research h and give examples As you gave me a thoughtful reply. However, lack of time means just my quick thoughts. I generally have seen the reference to "in tow" to be akin to "following" and of lesser importance, like "with wife in tow".
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It does nonetheless merit a slightly raised eyebrow, arising from the very origin you cite - ie as in a procession of things roped or chained to follow.
The commonly understood meaning itself, and as commonly used, connotes "brought along in a subservient capacity."
MoveIt
(399 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)MoveIt
(399 posts)Subservience indeed.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Merely making a personal accusation ("projection" is not an argument of any kind.
MoveIt
(399 posts)That's why they chose to edit the title of the original article right? because of nefarious notions of subservience!
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I believe that use of the phrase is best reconsidered in this context, for the reasons stated. Whether the ordinary connotations of the phrase were intended, I would have no idea.
Clearly, looking at the thread, there are several others who also expressed unease with use of the phrase in this context.
One certainly has the right to express oneself any way one desires. How one's expression is perceived by others is another question entirely.
MoveIt
(399 posts)And what pray tell is that common factor to those posters who saw subservience in the phrase?
PROJECTION
salib
(2,116 posts)People are often referred to have "kids in tow", and not in a positive way.
Also, I thought of this example:
Consider the phrase "there goes Putin with Obama in tow". Then consider the one "There goes Obama with Putin in tow". Which one would be in the American press release?
MoveIt
(399 posts)While I see your point and believe reasonable people could disagree whether the OP (a Bernie Supporter) intended it as a slight,(what would be the motive in that? ) I do believe that a presidential candidate and Senator has more 'status' than a professor and political firebrand like West. Your example the two people (Obama, Putin) are of equal status (Leaders of states), so that would be editorializing.
salib
(2,116 posts)What I posted was: 'Please try to use better images in OP titles. The original title for the article is "Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders schedules campaign rally at Winthrop University in Rock Hill". ' after explaining that "in tow" generally is not complimentary.
As to your comment that that Bernie has more "status" than Cornel is unfortunate. We including a distinguished guest or colleague, one always points out that the guest has at least the same if not greater stature in some way important to the audience at hand. Otherwise, he is perhaps just along for the ride. "In tow", so to speak.
These things do matter, I believe.
MoveIt
(399 posts)the rest is gravy when arguing in bad faith.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)among democratic primary voters?
LMFAO
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... to do with West
Number23
(24,544 posts)And this will do absolutely NOTHING to change this image of him.
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... bringing him along?!
This is...
wow
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I think this pretty much puts the kibosh on that...
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)I wouldn't think.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Thats just crazy talk!
Cha
(297,029 posts)better than that.
Just a pic from today, Starry.
President Barack Obama greets an enthusiastic crowd during the Greater Boston Labor Council Labor Day Breakfast at the Park Plaza Hotel, September 07, 2015
http://theobamadiary.com/2015/09/07/chat-on-111/#comments
Happy Labor Day~
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Or the day after, as it is now.
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... Sanders is tone deaf if he lets Wests withing a mile of his campaign!!
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Just about every African American person I talk to around here is mad that West and Smiley became anti-Obama when he was/they were denied a special seat at the inauguration.
That hasn't been forgotten.
West is toxic among the majority of the black community.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)than in Harlem? Seems to be two totally different audiences. South seems to like the Evangelical Style that West conveys over the more Intellectual Audience that Harlem and Northeast African-American Audiences would be receptive to. .
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)And Obama's support among African Americans is even stronger in the South than here in the Northeast although the that is only a matter of a few percentage points. The Presidents support in the AA community is huge all over.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Bernie and Cornell West present a different view of Democratic Politics to SC and over the border NC Politics.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)To anyone and anything he tries to endorse.
West is terribly damaged in the AA community.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)themselves. You seem to want to make it seem they shouldn't have a choice. And, Obama isn't running this time so West's message along with Bernie might appeal to those who are in a different place in life than they were when Obama ran.
We've already had the First Black President elected and that needs to be Built Upon and not stopped in it's tracks by those who naysay about whether West's message is inappropriate to be heard by "Thinking People" who have intelligence enough to decide who they want to support and who they don't in the Post Obama period in American History.
Let "The People" Listen and Decide for Themselves.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Of course the voters there will have their chance.
Do you think there is anything you to I could do to stop that? Pretty silly thing for you to say if you think about it.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)when we tell DUers that majorities of the Black community have very little love for CW.
The People of DU do not believe political commentators (that be you Steven) when they tell DUers that PoC have told you that majorities of the Black community have very little love for CW.
Then ... the people of DU fall back to "let's let {PoC} make up their own minds."
{Sighhh}
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)are desperate to try to make things anything but what they are on a number of fronts and that leads them into circular arguing positions, logical fallacies and generalized denial of reality over and over again.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)and see how big that goes over okay?
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... they'll sanitize as much as the can to avoid this
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)seems Sanders supporters only seem to understand "favorables and unfavorables" today, so I thought I would say it in terms they would understand!
uponit7771
(90,323 posts).. because of the notion a lot of middle class blacks and poc have that if you don't like Obama you'd hate me.
Obama policy wise has completed 76% of what he said he do which is damn good with a congress that has set out against him day one.
For the left the hatred sounds self centered as if there's been no progress no where... this is the West \ Smiley's with a tinge or racism tied to it.
For the right it's been down right overtly and apologetically racist...
Senator Tankerbell
(316 posts)Maybe you didn't check with everyone?
From August 27th, 2015:
Seems to me that his message was fairly well received.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)And it changes nothing. The overwhelming consensus here is that people dislike West.
Senator Tankerbell
(316 posts)I'll take your word for it but you know that is just anecdotal. Do you think it's possible that that the people you choose to interact with might not reflect "the overwhelming consensus"?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I'm pretty active in the community and have a pretty good sense of it.
Nice try though.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)you know what everyone feels.
nevergiveup
(4,759 posts)Up to this point I think Bernie has run a flawless and remarkably positive campaign that is gaining momentum by the second so I am hoping this news is from "The Onion" and not for real. West is incredibly divisive and and at times extremely mean and hateful and would be a disaster for Bernie's campaign. He will turn on Bernie in a split second once Bernie is elected and has to govern. If this is true I find the decision by the Sander's campaign to be both mind boggling and unsettling. Please say "it ain't so".
KoKo
(84,711 posts)And, he has an Evangelical Style of speech that the South likes. Whether African-American or Other.
His problem with Obama was that he expected more. And, yes...I also find him controversial at times but I take into consideration what point of view he comes from.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)But, now that Obama is less than a year and a half from being replaced, it's time to choose his successor.
While Bernie was busy supporting Obama in the Senate, Hillary wouldn't even take a position on the 3 most controversial issues of the past 30 years.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)You sure are good at sugar-coating West's "unfavorables" among the AA community
Do you think THOSE beliefs will sell there?
Scred loves Lily
(17 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I'm a Realist....its Tough Love...
...
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... hating Obama or trying to run from him and this does nothing to defuse that notion.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Dr. West can speak a bouquet of flowers that would rival the Garden of Eden, when he so chooses.
I've seen him do it before.
He's extremely intelligent, and very compassionate about the issues he talks about.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Cornel Wests rage against President Barack Obama evokes that kind of venom. He has accused Obama of political minstrelsy, calling him a Rockefeller Republican in blackface; taunted him as a brown-faced Clinton; and derided him as a neoliberal opportunist. In 2011, West and I were both speakers at a black newspaper conference in Chicago. During a private conversation, West asked how I escaped being dubbed an Obama hater when I was just as critical of the president as he was. I shared my three-part formula for discussing Obama before black audiences: Start with love for the man and pride in his epic achievement; focus on the unprecedented acrimony he faces as the nations first black executive; and target his missteps and failures. No matter how vehemently I disagree with Obama, I respect him as a man wrestling with an incredibly difficult opportunity to shape history. West looked into my eyes, sighed, and said: Well, I guess thats the difference between me and you. I dont respect the brother at all.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121550/cornel-wests-rise-fall-our-most-exciting-black-scholar-ghost
Good luck with THAT decision Bernie....hope you can keep Cornel West mellow!
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Don't know if he's invited onto political talk shows as frequently these days, as I've been joyfully bereft of cable or satellite for half-a-dozen years.
His oratory, OTOH, often made we wince. I envisioned him as a Ferlinghetti / Cleaver / Gortner novelty Vegas act.
I'm guessing by the responses to this thread that he hasn't changed much.
Never understood the appeal of Smiley, whose interviewing style was uncomfortably reminiscent of Merv Griffin.
Say... is West a Sanders surrogate now?
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Lets Set the Record Straight Black People Dont Hate Tavis Smiley and Cornel West Simply Because Theyre Critical of Obama.
*Why is it that most Tavis Smiley and Cornel West supporters always jump to the unwarranted conclusion that the only reason that Black people dislike Smiley and West is because theyre criticizing President Obama?
Thats an extremely presumptuous point of view, and its not true. The majority of Black people arent hostile toward Tavis and West BECAUSE they criticize Obama, but for the WAY they criticize Obama.
The reason we become angry every time they criticize Obama is because Tavis and West are arrogant, petty, self-serving, condescending, and disrespectful, and those flawed character traits come to the forefront whenever the subject of President Obama comes up. In addition, theyre criticisms never come coupled with constructive solutions, so its obvious to the Black community that theyre not actually interested in the issues; theyre merely USING the issues as a pretext to attack the man and Cornels repeated racial slanders clearly validates that perception.
Black people clearly understand that ALL politicians feet should be kept to the fire, and that includes Obamas. Ive written several articles criticizing President Obama, and Ive also written articles explaining WHY its important to hold his feet to the fire (http://wattree.blogspot.com/2011/01/obama-supporters-vs-cheerleaders.html), but when I criticize Obama I make sure that my criticisms are respectful, issue-specific, constructive, I ALWAYS come armed with solutions and I send them to him. A case in point is an article I wrote in November 2009 entitled, Could Obama Fall Victim to a Change We Cant Believe In, where I said the following:
Read much more at: eurweb
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/24/1164307/-Naivet-of-Tavis-Smiley-Cornel-West-Attack-On-Obama-Danger-To-Poor-Blacks
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Cornel Wests rage against President Barack Obama evokes that kind of venom. He has accused Obama of political minstrelsy, calling him a Rockefeller Republican in blackface; taunted him as a brown-faced Clinton; and derided him as a neoliberal opportunist. In 2011, West and I were both speakers at a black newspaper conference in Chicago. During a private conversation, West asked how I escaped being dubbed an Obama hater when I was just as critical of the president as he was. I shared my three-part formula for discussing Obama before black audiences: Start with love for the man and pride in his epic achievement; focus on the unprecedented acrimony he faces as the nations first black executive; and target his missteps and failures. No matter how vehemently I disagree with Obama, I respect him as a man wrestling with an incredibly difficult opportunity to shape history. West looked into my eyes, sighed, and said: Well, I guess thats the difference between me and you. I dont respect the brother at all.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121550/cornel-wests-rise-fall-our-most-exciting-black-scholar-ghost
Cha
(297,029 posts)The hate West brings to the table never does.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026899166
Rockefeller Republican in blackface.
brown-faced Clinton.
"Kenny G in brown skin.
"a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs"
"a black puppet of corporate plutocrats."
"a niggerized black person."
Cali http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=575906
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... Sanders, he could not be more tone deaf on Obama hate than to be on stage with Obama's biggest hater
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Cornel Wests rage against President Barack Obama evokes that kind of venom. He has accused Obama of political minstrelsy, calling him a Rockefeller Republican in blackface; taunted him as a brown-faced Clinton; and derided him as a neoliberal opportunist. In 2011, West and I were both speakers at a black newspaper conference in Chicago. During a private conversation, West asked how I escaped being dubbed an Obama hater when I was just as critical of the president as he was. I shared my three-part formula for discussing Obama before black audiences: Start with love for the man and pride in his epic achievement; focus on the unprecedented acrimony he faces as the nations first black executive; and target his missteps and failures. No matter how vehemently I disagree with Obama, I respect him as a man wrestling with an incredibly difficult opportunity to shape history. West looked into my eyes, sighed, and said: Well, I guess thats the difference between me and you. I dont respect the brother at all.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121550/cornel-wests-rise-fall-our-most-exciting-black-scholar-ghost
Cha
(297,029 posts)his mouth shut on that.
They could both rail on Obama.. a duet.. how attractive.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026899166
Rockefeller Republican in blackface.
brown-faced Clinton.
"Kenny G in brown skin.
"a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs"
"a black puppet of corporate plutocrats."
"a niggerized black person."
Cali http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=575906
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... think or West doesn't
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)dont think this is a good idea, apparently.
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... this no doubt strengthens that notion.
Obama's biggest overtly knee jerk hater is going to speak with Sanders...
Like having some black person from FAUX news that throws out racial slurs ad nausea as a surrogate... a
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)That's totally fucking nonsensical.
Sure, criticize Dr. West, but he's on the complete opposite end of the political spectrum from Fox News.
Nice try.
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... they'd never have the asshole on because of the overt Obama hatred...
Any way... we'll see...
I do NOT hope the west part of the Sanders campaign in SC works out...
This is no doubt tone deaf...
Like having Chappelles Blind White Supremacist as a campaign manager...
lol..
at least that would be funny!!
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I doubt anyone from there has commented on this.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Anyway, it's called being facetious.
Point being, maybe the Hillary people should worry a little more about the series of crappy decisions her campaign has made of late; and let's be honest, there've been a few-- instead of expressing hand wringing "concern" over Sanders appearing with Dr. West.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Bernie's the real deal, he and West have a lot in common ideologically, and Bernie is not afraid to go with that. I continue to be impressed, we finally have a candidate who is not a heavily managed sell-out, a breath of fresh air.
Will this help Bernie's chances? I have no idea, and don't think that's primarily what drives Sanders. I think he does what he believes in, and tries to educate the electorate, to elevate a long neglected perspective in U.S. politics, rather than putting his finger to the wind to see which way to tack.
still_one
(92,110 posts)"being afraid with that", in regard to Dr. West, but it may not be a smart strategy. The question is does Dr. West's prescense unite or alienate more voters?
Reverend Wright made some controversial comments, which were viewed as an alienation of voters, and President Obama distanced himself from Reverend Wright, and those comments. Would the President have won the primary, yet alone the general election if he hadn't? Many on DU were quite upset that the President, as they put it, "threw Reverend Wright" under the bus, however, if the President hadn't distanced himself from Reverend Wright, and those comments, I doubt President Obama would have won the primary.
It is a risk to utilize Dr. West, who has made controversial comments about a President who is extremely popular among Democrats.
If Dr. West simply introduces Bernie, without divisionary language, then this won't hurt his campaign, and perhaps help him. However, if instead he uses polarizing language in his introduction, that alienate Democrats, he will hurt Bernie's campaign
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)I like how Bernie is so skilled at not insulting the corporate Democrats he caucuses with in the Senate, nor the ones he opposes in the POTUS primary. It's an excellent skill that serves Bernie, and the Democratic Party, well, even though the points of disagreement are substantial.
When West criticizes Obama, he does so without that well-honed political skill that Bernie has. So therein lies the risk. But when West criticizes Obama, or other people he (and I) views as corporate sell-outs, he truly has the nation's best interests at heart. West cares, a lot. He will call out what is wrong, and he'll do it without hedging. It's good that Bernie isn't that way, but it's also good, IMO, that he's brave enough to place correct ideology above political expediency.
Bernie's campaign is not about business as usual. If that's what you want, there are plenty of other candidates to support. We need a drastic change in this country, for a number of reasons, it is late and there is little time to correct our course. We need more change than electing one person to the presidency can bring. Which means we need to change the dominant political paradigm, the one that says you can get elected as a centrist candidate with corporate backers and just provide a more sane but fundamentally similar vision to the one a Republican would bring. We have to change the entire discussion of what needs to be done, and why. West is a voice for that. We won't get our course correction supporting lessor of two evils, we won't even avert disaster that way, it's the same path we've been on and it leads straight to oblivion, seriously, oblivion. Oh man I so wish it was not true, but that is really where things are at, it's extremely dire.
West gets it, as does Bernie.
still_one
(92,110 posts)then the issues he cares about.
Using racial, and I would say, racist descriptions, to describe a popular African American President, not only alienates African Americans, but other demographics as well.
If some think that is "telling it like it is", to use racist and insulting epitaphs to persuade others to your cause, then those folks probably subscribe to the belief that President Obama's best strategy would have been to embrace Reverend Wright's remarks. He didn't, and he won the election, quite handedly.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)I've seen so many of the centrist type posters here beating up on West, the line is pretty much always the same, he's selfish, hates Obama, jealous, now racist, blah blah. He disagrees with Obama for very substantial reasons. That you don't see it that way doesn't mean there is anything wrong with his motives, that is just a bunch of people working overtime to defend POTUS and attribute harmful motivation to West, though they are not in his head enough to make such assertions as to his motives. Having a different world view, they look at West's distaste for corporatists masquerading as change agents, and decide he must be mailcious to feel that way. I think he calls 'em as he sees 'em, and he has some very insightful analysis of what's wrong with our system.
You can throw everyone who is active for fundamental change under the bus, cozy up to monied interests with your radical friends out of the way, and maybe get yourself elected, but what have you become in the process?
We have a chance this time to elect someone who is bringing his integrity and hopefully financial independence along for the ride. It is a rare opportunity. A heavy lift and a long-shot, but likely the only chance to break out of the death spiral we're in.
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... it's ok as long as Sanders likes them?!
This whole thread of defenses for assholes like West is fucked up
still_one
(92,110 posts)say anything embarrassing.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)My opinions of West and about his opinions of black leaders he doesn't think walked the walk has absolutely zero to do with Sanders. And I shouldn't even have to say so, you're reaching.
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... conversate Sanders and his supporters would skewer her to no end.
Shit, Sander supporters can't get away from a nothing issue like her emails!!!
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)My opinions on West preceded Sanders' candidacy. I see him speak on various liberal and lefty youtube channels, Democracy Now is perhaps the most frequent place I see West interviewed, others too. I'm sorry you let what I assume to be your loyalty to Obama get in the way of West's message, he is a controversial figure to be sure but his analyses of what's going on in our society are worth getting past idiosyncracies of the messenger, IMO.
I never thought the email classified issue was important, and have said so. I do think it's important in the sense that she appears to have setup the server to give herself and her attorneys prior review over anything released for FOIA or subpoena discovery, which is obviously not acceptable from a Secretary of State. Emails were deleted and the server apparently scrubbed before it was handed over, yeah I do have a problem with that. But that's not what this OP is about.
still_one
(92,110 posts)uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... to people who defend him the racist tripe is somehow ok.
I'm blown away at this thread
still_one
(92,110 posts)the Sanders campaign is taking by utilizing Dr. West.
They better hope West will be able to curb his tongue, because if he goes on one of his tirades, Bernie will get a lot of publicity. Just not sure it will be the kind of publicity he expects.
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)and if you believe that's where they are coming from, you might want to recalibrate your outrage meter.
FloridaBlues
(4,007 posts)Latest PPP South Carolina on9/8/15
HRC 54
Biden 24
Sanders 9
Guess SC not feeling the Bern yet.