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Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:18 PM Sep 2015

Bernie Heading Back to South Carolina with Cornel West in Tow

ROCK HILL - U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders – the Vermont independent hoping to catch up with Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton ahead of next year’s presidential primary elections – will visit Rock Hill next Saturday for a campaign rally at Winthrop University.

Sanders will appear at Winthrop with Cornel West, prominent political activist, former Harvard professor, and member of the Democratic Socialists of America. Sanders was elected to his U.S. Senate seat in Vermont as an independent in 2006. Before that, he served as Vermont’s representative in the U.S. House for 16 years.

Sanders, seeking the Democratic Party’s nomination for president, is running in a far less crowded field than the Republican hopefuls who have campaigned across South Carolina this summer.

GOP hopefuls Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee, Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Rick Santorum and Lindsey Graham have all stopped in or around York County.

Sanders will be the first Democratic hopeful to appear in the Rock Hill area.


Read more here: http://www.heraldonline.com/news/local/article34058442.html#storylink=cpy
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Bernie Heading Back to South Carolina with Cornel West in Tow (Original Post) Fawke Em Sep 2015 OP
Wonderful news !!! SamKnause Sep 2015 #1
Got kicked out of AA while defending Cornel West, the machine was offended . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #2
Oh yeah...Cornell West who daily insults the First Black President.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #3
He's doing just fine with black people in South Carolina. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #6
Heck...I don't even remember this event. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #9
That's Portland Maine. nt MADem Sep 2015 #53
That doesn't look like the Convention Center in Portland, Maine. PotatoChip Sep 2015 #136
Do a google search on the image. It's Portland. Unless ABC news is lying. nt MADem Sep 2015 #192
.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #251
This guy is a superdelegate...for HILLARY CLINTON. But hey, whatever. MADem Sep 2015 #19
Like any other superdelegates, they have the right to switch. Amish Farmer Sep 2015 #22
In your dreams. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #25
I'm quite awake, and the switch will happen Amish Farmer Sep 2015 #28
You said.... sheshe2 Sep 2015 #35
Where have you been in the last 30 years? Amish Farmer Sep 2015 #46
Well. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #50
Then what do you like about Clinton Amish Farmer Sep 2015 #54
You just logged in here. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #59
Said yet another man VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #68
Bullshit. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #76
Uh "wrong equipment"???? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #94
. Agschmid Sep 2015 #115
Have I recently told you I love you!? sheshe2 Sep 2015 #209
They cracked me the fuck up!!!!!!!!!!!! sheshe2 Sep 2015 #208
Not this woman: Fawke Em Sep 2015 #75
You alone do not a trend make... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #87
74%.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #36
Don't count your eggs before they hatch. Amish Farmer Sep 2015 #39
I am talking about her odds... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #40
Uh, perhaps they don't know who Bernie is yet.. That is still in place... Amish Farmer Sep 2015 #41
Yes everyone just magically falls in love with Bernie VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #65
Decades in congress and people still don't know who Sanders is. I crack up every time lunamagica Sep 2015 #103
More troubling ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #122
Sir, the odds has gone downhill Amish Farmer Sep 2015 #47
First. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #56
OMG it sure is the Silly Season sheshe2 VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #86
Tis, VR. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #113
Its madam and no they have not. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #66
And using the numbers from a gambling site. Great. Amish Farmer Sep 2015 #83
Its not a gambling site VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #85
Microsoft = Bill Gates = big fuckup = big donor Amish Farmer Sep 2015 #101
WTF? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #102
Don't forget that in '08 she NEVER lost the Latino support lunamagica Sep 2015 #105
This message was self-deleted by its author VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #107
Yeppers....these Sanders folks are going to find out.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #186
Amish is no more~ sheshe2 Sep 2015 #271
Welcome to DU... revmclaren Sep 2015 #171
John Lewis was a Hillary supporter in 2008 jfern Sep 2015 #55
Not likely to happen THIS time VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #67
This was a photo OP during the anniversary march of the Edmund Pettus Bridge, it is not a support of Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #97
Thank you for setting THAT record straight VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #104
And John Lewis is a Super Delegate for Hillary in 2016. Cha Sep 2015 #223
Don't count your superdelegates before they hatch jfern Sep 2015 #230
John Lewis supports Hillary Clinton 2016 Cha Sep 2015 #231
Just like he did in 2008 until he switched early in the primaries jfern Sep 2015 #232
Hillary racks up endorsements for 2016~ Not only John Lewis.. and this is just the Ls.. and a K all Cha Sep 2015 #233
Sure, whatever you say. MADem Sep 2015 #26
They went bye bye~ sheshe2 Sep 2015 #272
MIRT is really stepping up. I gotta hand it to them. MADem Sep 2015 #273
I alerted to those I know in MIRT here. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #276
^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ sheshe2 Sep 2015 #23
Superdelegates can and do switch. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #77
Hillary has thin skin? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #88
{Insert negro here} ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #119
Sincerely!!! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #155
Boom! sheshe2 Sep 2015 #222
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2015 #256
and boy do you know PoC in South Carolina!!! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #156
This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Sep 2015 #11
All people don't live on a chessboard . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #147
No do they live on a smorgasbord.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #158
Well first the 1% can live on a smorgasbord as long as their facilitated, Plotting every step orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #267
That doesn't matter much, though. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #5
You are right VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #31
Now thats some major hogwash right there VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #89
He insulted the President for letting All Americans down, and knuckling under to orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #148
Yeah well most Black people would disagree with you in SC VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #152
Now your speaking for most Black people in SC, Entitlement is contagious, isn't it ? orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #266
Good point kenfrequed Sep 2015 #285
His admonishments to President Obama are nothing compared to what he had to say to orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #292
Sanders is a stand up guy and will no doubt make sure everyone knows he stands with West uponit7771 Sep 2015 #177
It was an African American Scohlar's cry to an African American president, BLM in the same manner orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #265
I can hear, it was a petulant tripe mixed with hateraide... useless... uponit7771 Sep 2015 #279
President Obama has not let Americans down.. that's Hogwash. Cha Sep 2015 #224
Oh orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #264
I'm thinking this is FUD... these people sound irrational at best. Conservative like detachment from uponit7771 Sep 2015 #278
hahahahaha Not if Cornell goes off on Barack Obama he won't.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #160
OK,... there have been articles on Black Planet et al about West and Smiley hatred towards Obama... uponit7771 Sep 2015 #180
The machine was offended? Care to explain that? sheshe2 Sep 2015 #14
*crickets chirping* lunamagica Sep 2015 #18
Yup....sssssh~ Crickets. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #27
They have not one clue what they're talking about, she.. they just whip out a label. If it's Cha Sep 2015 #216
"the machine" directed at the beautiful people in DU's AA forum then so be it." sheshe2 Sep 2015 #218
Sweet Dreams, she.. I'm just going to send you a PM. Cha Sep 2015 #219
The political force behind A Group, Any Group, that dictates what that group does, says and thinks. orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #293
Labeling Obama with racist terms, as west has done, isn't the "machine" its stupid of him & hateful uponit7771 Sep 2015 #100
He's a brilliant Black Activist ALL his life, he was legitimately frustrated, no excuse true. orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #149
Being NEEDLESSLY frustrated at Obama et al doesn't mean a person has to be hateful. Taking the time uponit7771 Sep 2015 #151
Say what you want about his delivery, but his allegations are Correct, and Black politico have an orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #268
That's whats' being said about Trump, it's "delivery"... no, it's hatred and if a white person would uponit7771 Sep 2015 #277
I VOTED FOR HIM TWICE, and again Spot on criticisms, Cornel is now don . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #280
His fee fee's were hurt?! sheshe2 Sep 2015 #274
And if Bernie continues to cozy up to him....he will pay the price too! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #161
I know your a Big fan, I read Your OP's orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #263
Could you see West as Bernies VP? jeepers Sep 2015 #288
Sure!!! Him, Elizabeth Warren, Noam Chomsky, Anyone not bought off by lobbyists . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #294
This could get interesting (grabs the popcorn). Metric System Sep 2015 #4
Lol~ Hi, Metric System. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #21
You keep believing that. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #78
taking a chance on Cornell West in South Carolina..... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #163
"You keep believing that." sheshe2 Sep 2015 #225
As a Sanders supporter this scares the hell out of me Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #7
I think it will be fine. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #12
Is he going to call Obama a terrorist? Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #13
Yes he and Tavis do say crazy shit. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #17
Hmmm . . . President Obama gave the euology for his friend underthematrix Sep 2015 #58
i think I love you. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #61
most people don't know who cornel west is noiretextatique Sep 2015 #133
Most AAs definitely know who he is and he's pretty much HATED underthematrix Sep 2015 #137
+ a million Number23 Sep 2015 #138
I suspect most AAs DON'T know who CW is ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #196
Thank you underthematrix Sep 2015 #203
And still, the use of CW is unlikely to benefit the Bernie campaign, as ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #237
Exactly.. why would he say Black Americans don't know who cornel west is.. that's ridiculous. Cha Sep 2015 #234
This is false especially among black politicos, West and Smiley are WELL known Obama haters... uponit7771 Sep 2015 #184
"..the temerity to criticize.."? No.. to attack President Obama with crazy ass racist shite.. Cha Sep 2015 #221
utter and complete nonsense noiretextatique Sep 2015 #135
It was over 18% and it's now 9% underthematrix Sep 2015 #167
He may not say shit YOU think is crazy VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #33
At least he's not pandering to my loins. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #79
Well you should gird yours VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #90
Luv ya VR. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #114
Luv ya back sheshe! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #117
Ummmm sheshe2 Sep 2015 #229
He hates Obama. SC Primary voters worship Obama arely staircase Sep 2015 #95
hmmmm. Good luck with that. eom lunamagica Sep 2015 #8
Watch the polls... HappyPlace Sep 2015 #10
Will do lunamagica Sep 2015 #16
Closely! sheshe2 Sep 2015 #70
Please put up a banner in SC and we'll watch those polls closely uponit7771 Sep 2015 #153
Terrific news! Catherina Sep 2015 #15
Cornel West makes it his business to shit on Barack Obama regularly. He is a pariah for this reason MADem Sep 2015 #24
So, because he is a black man, he isn't allowed to criticize a black man without being vilified? mak3cats Sep 2015 #29
Criticism is one thing--making vile, raced-based insults is another thing altogether. MADem Sep 2015 #37
Vile. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #71
Only thing worse is that he brings Tavis with him. nt Stellar Sep 2015 #143
"Obama is a global George Zimmerman" lunamagica Sep 2015 #108
That's not the worst thing he's said, either. Like I said, if I repeated that MADem Sep 2015 #109
That's the tame stuff!!! uponit7771 Sep 2015 #166
Pray tell, how did anyone intimate anything close to this question?! tia uponit7771 Sep 2015 #154
Classy. Arkana Sep 2015 #30
Dyson Puts Cornel West Where He Belongs, “You Ain’t That Important” sheshe2 Sep 2015 #32
I think this is an INSANE pairing...it's like he wants to get off the merry go round, and figures MADem Sep 2015 #38
Quote. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #48
I think it's madness. It will certainly make for an interesting campaign swing, though. MADem Sep 2015 #49
Bernie just made a huge mistake. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #51
No, AA do NOT hate West and Tavis. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #80
I live in Harlem. Hate may be a bit strong, but there is lots of anger against West and Tavis stevenleser Sep 2015 #124
I haven't, every black politico I know views Smiley and Wests as full of HaterAide uponit7771 Sep 2015 #162
OK, go with that... uponit7771 Sep 2015 #159
ummmm, sheshe2 Sep 2015 #168
This is absolutely a huge tone deaf move by Sanders, I don't believe Sanders is an asshole like West uponit7771 Sep 2015 #157
The look on Donna Brazile's face is priceless. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #197
Ain't that the truth~! nt MADem Sep 2015 #198
This comment will really resonate with people of South Carolina. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #52
Be careful, there are white people telling black people that West is a bad dude. HappyPlace Sep 2015 #188
Don't worry, the AA community have their own brains. zappaman Sep 2015 #201
He's dead, Jim... SidDithers Sep 2015 #250
hmmm zappaman Sep 2015 #258
Aha. Much becomes clear... Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #262
A concern that seems completely missing the irony of ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #257
Rock Hill is only 20 miles south of Charlotte. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #20
Am from there.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #34
Please proceed. Amish Farmer Sep 2015 #42
5 whole Percent? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #62
She race and gender baits alot. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #81
Congrats! You survived the alert! Divernan Sep 2015 #84
So does Obama "race bait"? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #91
Its called Predictwise and.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #165
Do not hold your breath. HappyPlace Sep 2015 #191
Yep. See that's what I'm talking about underthematrix Sep 2015 #60
No....what are you talking about? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #63
Maybe she could be funny like this. Scred loves Lily Sep 2015 #213
I was responding to you post underthematrix Sep 2015 #74
O I know you were trying to.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #106
I was agreeing with you underthematrix Sep 2015 #120
Okay....it was a pretty vague agreement.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #121
Hey Major. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #43
Have you ever been to South Carolina? Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #57
I was there in the past year....family still lives there VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #64
No. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #69
You should visit there some time. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #73
Baloney VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #93
Thank you for remembering the 100 inches of snow. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #150
This isn't my first go around here at the DU. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #195
You blocked your PMs. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #205
Yes. Yes, I did. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #210
Okay. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #212
No one in the AA Group has said anything close to ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #202
That's right.. that's just projected propaganda that has no base in reality. Cha Sep 2015 #228
It saddens me that white DUers would twist themselves in knots ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #238
It's sickening is what is.. and heartbreaking. Cha Sep 2015 #269
I was flipping through a couple threads where DUers have accused others of calling them racists ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #270
Tank Hill. Scred loves Lily Sep 2015 #215
Location is great. KoKo Sep 2015 #125
I think it is, too. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #131
...! KoKo Sep 2015 #144
Are they just speaking at the same venue? n/t Skwmom Sep 2015 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author LuvLoogie Sep 2015 #45
"In Tow"? That never has a good image associated with it. salib Sep 2015 #72
"In tow" MoveIt Sep 2015 #82
Apologize for a terse reply here. salib Sep 2015 #96
While I do understand it is a common expression jberryhill Sep 2015 #132
Pure projection MoveIt Sep 2015 #241
Thank you for your thoughtful and well-reasoned reply jberryhill Sep 2015 #242
Thanks for your civility! MoveIt Sep 2015 #244
I was being sarcastic jberryhill Sep 2015 #245
The OP must clearly see West as 'subservient' right? MoveIt Sep 2015 #247
I have no idea what the OP thinks jberryhill Sep 2015 #248
And what pray tell... MoveIt Sep 2015 #249
My wife thought of a good example. salib Sep 2015 #283
Thanks for the example MoveIt Sep 2015 #287
I did not suggest a motive. Only suggested improvement. salib Sep 2015 #290
implied a motive MoveIt Sep 2015 #291
So he is taking an Obama hater to the place where Obama is next to MLK arely staircase Sep 2015 #92
At some point I'm thinking Sanders should be called tone deaf but I'll wait... see what he's going t uponit7771 Sep 2015 #99
He has already been called tone deaf over and over and over again. Number23 Sep 2015 #139
He's going in reverse with me, West should be kept away from with a 10 foot poll and Sanders is uponit7771 Sep 2015 #164
I've seen claims here that Obama will endorse Sanders too. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #112
He won't endorse in the primary. arely staircase Sep 2015 #116
But most certainly not Sanders VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #118
Even if the President would endorse in the primary.. he wouldn't endorse BS.. he's knows way Cha Sep 2015 #235
Happy Labor Day, Cha! Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #239
West hates Obama and has said some of the most vile and non work place racist things about him uponit7771 Sep 2015 #98
There is a lot of anger towards West here in Harlem. I think this is going to backfire. stevenleser Sep 2015 #110
Is it possible that there would be more appeal for him in the South KoKo Sep 2015 #126
No, I don't believe so. If anything, Wests appeal has always been stronger in the Northeast stevenleser Sep 2015 #127
But, Obama isn't running this time. KoKo Sep 2015 #130
No, but we are talking about West and the damage his treatment of Obama has done to him and to anyon stevenleser Sep 2015 #134
Well then lets let the Voters of SC and NC make up their minds about Dr. West KoKo Sep 2015 #141
And this discussion is about how that's likely to go. You say that as if it's a choice. stevenleser Sep 2015 #145
{Sighhh} The People of DU do not believe PoC ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #185
That is a hilarious (and at the same time frustrating) point. The folks we are arguing with stevenleser Sep 2015 #193
Okay....let him let loose with his views on this President.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #169
I really doubt if Sanders or West has the courage to say what they really think about Obama... uponit7771 Sep 2015 #189
they better hope Cornell doesn't have anything to drink while there! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #190
Yeah Cornel West's "favorables" are really low among the AA community! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #172
Obama wasn't running during the off yr elections either but pols who ran away from him lost big ... uponit7771 Sep 2015 #173
This audience in Harlem seems to like Dr. West Senator Tankerbell Sep 2015 #194
Posters for that have been up all over here. You're not telling me anything I didn't know. stevenleser Sep 2015 #199
According to your experience Senator Tankerbell Sep 2015 #206
No, it's not possible. stevenleser Sep 2015 #207
I hope I will be forgiven if I am somewhat skeptical that you are so deep in with the community that Bonobo Sep 2015 #275
Huge mistake IMHO nevergiveup Sep 2015 #111
West leans more to Bernie's Social Democratic beliefs, though. KoKo Sep 2015 #128
We all expected more. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #140
Then let West's freak flag fly....let him tell them all about how he feels about our President! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #174
Why so mean? Scred loves Lily Sep 2015 #217
Its called brutal honesty VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #220
Belief that Obama is a global Zimmerman?! Really?! I've said before that Sanders comes off as .. uponit7771 Sep 2015 #182
Professor West can speak eloquently to the issues Bernie is running on. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #211
In tow - really? Or just speaking at the same place. n/t Skwmom Sep 2015 #123
The article says West will appear at the event...n/t KoKo Sep 2015 #129
Here we go... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #175
I always enjoyed Dr. West when he butted heads with the opposition. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #142
I hope it works out for Bernie Sanders... Stellar Sep 2015 #146
I came across this... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #176
BS wanted President Obama primaried in 2012.. And, I don't think it will work out. Cha Sep 2015 #227
"..Sanders and West will speak in Winthrop’s West Center..." This is just not the right move for... uponit7771 Sep 2015 #170
Exactly.....here is what I found that exemplifies this point... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #178
Maybe West will let out some of his racist hateful screed on the President? Or will he keep Cha Sep 2015 #226
They'll sanitize everything they say about him. They don't have the courage to say what they really uponit7771 Sep 2015 #252
The keen political strategists from the Hillary campaign, with their impeccable recent track record Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #179
Cause Hillary pols don't hate Sanders, just think he's tone deaf when it comes to black politico and uponit7771 Sep 2015 #181
you're honestly trying to compare Cornel West to some Fox News Right Winger? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #183
No of course not, the FAUX news folks don't overtly fling racist remarks at Obama like West does... uponit7771 Sep 2015 #187
Really? Link to a comment on this from political strategist from the Hillary campaign please. stevenleser Sep 2015 #200
I mean the armchair ones on DU, of course, Steve. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #204
A lessor man would avoid West for fear of controversy dreamnightwind Sep 2015 #214
Regardless of one's view of Dr. West, he is controversial. You may be impressed with Bernie not still_one Sep 2015 #236
Well, the thing is, West's controversial remarks go right to the point of Bernie's campaign dreamnightwind Sep 2015 #240
Dr. West has been around, and he certainly isn't naive. He craves attention more so for himself still_one Sep 2015 #243
Disagree entirely dreamnightwind Sep 2015 #246
I'm not a centrist and I don't like self centered assholes who call people racial slurs. But I see.. uponit7771 Sep 2015 #255
I suspect a lot of Sander's supporters have reservations of this, and are hoping that West does not still_one Sep 2015 #260
Nope, has nothing to do with Sanders dreamnightwind Sep 2015 #282
To hell it doesn't, if Hillary decided to invite racial slur slingers like Trump to her campaign to uponit7771 Sep 2015 #286
No, it really doesn't dreamnightwind Sep 2015 #289
we will see how that works out still_one Sep 2015 #259
The support for West is very telling. After someone reveals all the racist tripe he's said about... uponit7771 Sep 2015 #254
Even that this thread creates such a emotional following, only puts emphasis on the very real risk still_one Sep 2015 #261
That they hate Obama reflexively and without merrit?! That's the point?! uponit7771 Sep 2015 #253
No, sorry, it's not dreamnightwind Sep 2015 #281
Bernie needs more than west in SC. FloridaBlues Sep 2015 #284
 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
3. Oh yeah...Cornell West who daily insults the First Black President....
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:52 PM
Sep 2015

Yeah that is going to help him in South Carolina! Brillaint!

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
6. He's doing just fine with black people in South Carolina.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:58 PM
Sep 2015

At least he doesn't try to talk "Southern" or "black" to them like Illinois-born Clinton in 2007. People are people, no matter their color, and, like most people (judging from your beloved polls showing his support growing and hers sinking), the more they hear from Bernie, the more they love him. I suspect PoC are no different.












Photos courtesy of South Carolina for Bernie Sanders

To see more photos of diversity in South Carolina, please visit the South Carolina for Bernie Facebook Page.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
136. That doesn't look like the Convention Center in Portland, Maine.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:19 PM
Sep 2015

But July 7th is the right date for Portland, so unless the SC event pic was titled with the wrong date, you must be correct.

I guess it just looks different than I remember, being filled to capacity like that. Plus, it's been nearly 20 years since Hillary spoke to us at the 1996 Maine State Democratic Convention.

I haven't been there since, but if I could have attended, I would have loved to see Bernie.
 

Amish Farmer

(54 posts)
28. I'm quite awake, and the switch will happen
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:05 AM
Sep 2015

Not now, but at the end.

One vote, one person. Our votes are not for sale.

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
35. You said....
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:41 AM
Sep 2015
"
Our votes are not for sale.


Who are selling their votes?

You have been here a few hours. Who exactly are you accusing of selling their votes? Strange accusation.
 

Amish Farmer

(54 posts)
46. Where have you been in the last 30 years?
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 01:15 AM
Sep 2015

In a coma? The politicians seems to think our votes are taken for granted.

Not anymore. It's time that we wisely choose the standard bearer for the Democratic party. That bearer reflects our desires and our wishes. Clinton does not reflect our desires and our wishes. Only one man can do that and be honest about it. You ignore this one-of-a-kind man at your great peril.

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
50. Well.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 01:39 AM
Sep 2015
Where have you been in the last 30 years?
In a coma?


Where have you been? You just got here. Only one MAN can do this???? The man can do this and if I ignore it I am at peril?
Only one man can do that and be honest about it. You ignore this one-of-a-kind man at your great peril.


Lol~ The Women can do it better and faster and brighter!

Women are awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Welcome to DU, I think you will fit in well.
 

Amish Farmer

(54 posts)
54. Then what do you like about Clinton
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 02:13 AM
Sep 2015

in terms of issues?

Because having the wrong piece of equipment, you dismiss Clinton as a strong supporter of women's rights - he goes even further than Clinton.

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
59. You just logged in here.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 02:41 AM
Sep 2015

Please state your issues. Mine have already been posted.

I am confused here. What do you mean?

"Then what do you like about Clinton
in terms of issues?"



"Because having the wrong piece of equipment, you dismiss Clinton as a strong supporter of women's rights - he goes even further than Clinton."


The wrong piece of equipment???? Clinton has the wrong piece of equipment? WTF? She has a vagina, Bernie has a penis. Your point????? I am sure as hell not dismissing Clinton as a strong supporter of womens rights.





 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
68. Said yet another man
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 03:05 AM
Sep 2015

Wow....men sure do like telling us lowly wommin folk who is best for us.....I mean whatever would we do without your masculine advice? We couldnt possibly decide for iurselves you see...afterall we might do someting stupid and vote for one of those women who have ran thier whole careers on women's issues..., ...can't have that happen....nosireebob!

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
76. Bullshit.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:59 AM
Sep 2015

I'm a woman and that was NOT a case of a man telling a woman what to do. I would recognize that.

He asked a question and then stated his position.

You, dear, need to get that vulva chip off your shoulder.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
115. .
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 01:41 PM
Sep 2015

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Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
75. Not this woman:
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:57 AM
Sep 2015


She's been co-opted by Wall Street and war hawks.

BTW, just because a new poster shows up here doesn't mean he or she hasn't been paying attention. DU is hardly a blip on the political radar.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
36. 74%....
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:42 AM
Sep 2015

Thats a whole lotta switchin' Right there...

Guess who are difficult demographics for Bernie?

African Americans (pretty solid Clinton supporters)

Women (self explanatory) and

Hispanics....(She has a female Hispanic political director, she is about to go on a Thank you trip to Puerto Rico, and she is likely to draw on a Castro as Running Mate....check and mate)

 

Amish Farmer

(54 posts)
39. Don't count your eggs before they hatch.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:50 AM
Sep 2015

The support for Bernie Sanders is only going to get stronger.

There's really very little left Clinton supporters can attempt that isn't an original attack that has been debunked already.

And surprisingly enough - the Republicans doesn't have anything much either, and yet the billion dollar SuperPAC is going to be attacking and looking stupid EVERY time they blare that shit.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
40. I am talking about her odds...
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:56 AM
Sep 2015

74% and those three reasons are why. Want proof? In Georgia and Florida had polls Saturday....both had her leading by about 30ish points again....now why do you think that is?

 

Amish Farmer

(54 posts)
41. Uh, perhaps they don't know who Bernie is yet.. That is still in place...
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 01:00 AM
Sep 2015

Bernie is going to visit Alabama and Mississippi and will also visit more as the fall begins and the debates are underway... and that will help raise Bernie's profile, and more PoC are going to notice. Clinton's voice will just remind of the same dog whistle attacks from 2008.

After that, the voters will make their choice, and it will reflect on the polls. The next few weeks are going to raise his profile to the South.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
103. Decades in congress and people still don't know who Sanders is. I crack up every time
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:32 PM
Sep 2015

I read that...what a ringing endorsement!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
122. More troubling ...
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 03:52 PM
Sep 2015

Decades in congress and not a single congressional peer (including the Progressive caucus) willing to provide an endorsement.

I know ... I know ... "endorsements don't matter" (this is a new age campaign model where my brother-in-law's word weighs more than an elected official, despite the fact that the elected officials keep getting elected) ... "the Progressive Caucus is not really progressive" ... and all the other excuses ... er, explanations.

 

Amish Farmer

(54 posts)
47. Sir, the odds has gone downhill
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 01:17 AM
Sep 2015

and will remain tumbling down to near 0% chance of winning by the time all is said and done.

And Sanders will make sure the DNC be repopulated by the appropriate ideology as in progressive/liberal officers.

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
56. First.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 02:25 AM
Sep 2015

More appropriate to call VR~ Ms.

And..Hmmm Okay~

the odds has gone downhill

and will remain tumbling down to near 0% chance of winning by the time all is said and done. And Sanders will make sure the DNC be repopulated by the appropriate ideology as in progressive/liberal officers.








I love the Monkees~

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
66. Its madam and no they have not.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 02:57 AM
Sep 2015

They stand pat at 74% BECAUSE...she has solid support with women (naturally), she has VERY solid support from African Americans....

and she is working hard to bolster the Hispanic vote....(she hired a Latin woman as Political Director.....she is heading to Puerto Rico on a Thank You tour in a couple days, and everyone assumes she is going to Go Castro for a running mate....just to seal the deal.

Sanders cannot win without making significant strides with thosr groups.....practically Mission Impossible...which is why she has a 74% chance and Bernie has 11 or 12%

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
85. Its not a gambling site
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:49 AM
Sep 2015

Its called Odds making.....and that particular one is created by Microsoft Research scientists.....

Its called Statistics and probability...

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
102. WTF?
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:28 PM
Sep 2015

Ohhhhhhkaayyyyyy......backing away nowwww.....

Whistle whistle whistle


That was one really big jump.....

Microsoft employees!!!! They do this on thier own......its not an a M.S. trademarked product

Not Bill Gates....

Research guys....statistics and probability side project...

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
105. Don't forget that in '08 she NEVER lost the Latino support
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:35 PM
Sep 2015

Latinos only switched to Obama for the GE.

Now, that is strong support and loyalty!

Response to lunamagica (Reply #105)

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
186. Yeppers....these Sanders folks are going to find out....
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:02 PM
Sep 2015

this electioning stuff....is hard work....support and loyalty is your bread and butter!

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
67. Not likely to happen THIS time
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 02:59 AM
Sep 2015

You guys are going to find....Bernie not running as a Democrat....is going to come at a price....

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
97. This was a photo OP during the anniversary march of the Edmund Pettus Bridge, it is not a support of
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:50 AM
Sep 2015

John Lewis of Bernie, John Lewis has not endorsed Bernie, in fact none of the current members of congress has endorsed Bernie, and surely not John Lewis.

Cha

(297,029 posts)
233. Hillary racks up endorsements for 2016~ Not only John Lewis.. and this is just the Ls.. and a K all
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 04:49 AM
Sep 2015

across our Nation..

Rep. Derek Kilmer (Wash.) — "I'm proud to endorse Hillary Clinton for President. She is ready to fight to make our economy work for every American,” Kilmer wrote on his Facebook page following Clinton’s announcement.

Rep. Jim Langevin (R.I.)

across the Nation..

Rep. Rick Larsen (Wash.) — “I endorse Hillary Clinton for President of the United States of America because she shares my belief that our country needs an economy that includes everyone and works for everyone. She has my full support,” he wrote in a Facebook post.

Rep. John B. Larson (Conn.) — "She is clearly worthy of the nation’s support and mine—and she got it the old-fashioned way. She earned it," Larson said in a statement.

Rep. Sandy Levin (Mich.)

Rep. John Lewis (Ga.)

Rep. Ted Lieu (Calif.)

Rep. Nita Lowey (N.Y.) — “It has been my great honor to call Hillary Clinton my friend and constituent, Senator, and Secretary of State. I will work hard to ensure that in two years, we call her ‘Madam President,’ ” she wrote Sunday on Facebook.

Rep. Stephen Lynch (Mass.)


Much MOre.. http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/238912-2016-hillary-endorsement-list

MADem

(135,425 posts)
273. MIRT is really stepping up. I gotta hand it to them.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 02:02 AM
Sep 2015

That guy was dancing on the line -- gleefully.

Obvious is just so obvious!

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
276. I alerted to those I know in MIRT here.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 02:11 AM
Sep 2015

They already had him. They were checking out his Ipp. ( correct term???) They think it was hawkeye.

Gone with the wind once again. What an ass.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
77. Superdelegates can and do switch.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:02 AM
Sep 2015

Besides, given Hillary's thin skin, she'll probably kick him off her team after seeing this picture.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
88. Hillary has thin skin?
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:55 AM
Sep 2015

Said nobody ever!



Let me introduce you to the GOP who have attacked her her entire career...

You better get worried about Sanders thin skin should he have to face them in the General.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
119. {Insert negro here} ...
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 03:04 PM
Sep 2015


Stop it! Please stop posting pictures of Bernie with random Black folks to prove what isn't.

Sincerely,

1SBM

Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #3)

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
267. Well first the 1% can live on a smorgasbord as long as their facilitated, Plotting every step
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 06:09 PM
Sep 2015

and nuance is making her seem like a an android and won't make people Trust her, which in case You haven't noticed is why she will never win the Election, My Point.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
5. That doesn't matter much, though.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:05 PM
Sep 2015

In the final analysis, Bernie is going to resonate with more black South Carolinians by having West with him.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
89. Now thats some major hogwash right there
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:57 AM
Sep 2015

Yeah Cornel West is going to "resonate" when he calls Pres. O a terrorist.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
152. Yeah well most Black people would disagree with you in SC
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:19 PM
Sep 2015

he is almost MLK there....and the Black vote....is what Sanders sorely needs if he is to have ANY chance at all....so please proceed.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
285. Good point
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 08:12 AM
Sep 2015

Also, president Obama is not running again. The vast majority of what I see upthread is somehow an argument that a black man that has criticized American foreign policy is somehow not black enough to convince anyone that Bernie Sanders is a good candidate which means Hillary wins.

I am not black and I have no idea what effect Dr West campaigning with Bernie is going to have. I do know that Dr West was an big critic of the Iraq war early, often, and articulately.

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
177. Sanders is a stand up guy and will no doubt make sure everyone knows he stands with West
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:50 PM
Sep 2015

... In SC.

Then people will get the popcorn cause fecal matter will hit the air molecure accelerator after that

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
265. It was an African American Scohlar's cry to an African American president, BLM in the same manner
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 05:58 PM
Sep 2015

a protest . Also the fact that Cornel West has worked All his life for people of all colors who have been victimized by the government, no matter who heads that government, provocative and offensive as it was, all the allegations made by Cornel West, were Spot on.

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
279. I can hear, it was a petulant tripe mixed with hateraide... useless...
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 02:34 AM
Sep 2015

... and nonconstructive critique while ignoring a tone of other factors as if they don't exist.

There's no reasonable person calling Obama perfect,...

There's going to be no reasonable person who's going to call Sanders perfect either...

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
278. I'm thinking this is FUD... these people sound irrational at best. Conservative like detachment from
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 02:31 AM
Sep 2015

... reaity

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
160. hahahahaha Not if Cornell goes off on Barack Obama he won't....
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:28 PM
Sep 2015

Good luck with that....OH and if you think the Black folks in SC do not know anything about Cornell Wests attacks on Barack Obama.....you have another Think coming.....gird your loins!

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
180. OK,... there have been articles on Black Planet et al about West and Smiley hatred towards Obama...
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:52 PM
Sep 2015

... you really think this is going to resonate with anyone else outside of Obama haters (which Sanders is starting to look like one) then ...

people can think what they like...

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
14. The machine was offended? Care to explain that?
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 11:28 PM
Sep 2015

Machine?

Got kicked out of AA while defending Cornel West, the machine was offended .

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
27. Yup....sssssh~ Crickets.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:01 AM
Sep 2015

I was posting in AA on one of those threads about West. No love lost, none what so ever.

Cha

(297,029 posts)
216. They have not one clue what they're talking about, she.. they just whip out a label. If it's
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 01:57 AM
Sep 2015

"the machine" directed at the beautiful people in DU's AA forum then so be it.

Totally clueless..and in BS's name. It's so special!

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
218. "the machine" directed at the beautiful people in DU's AA forum then so be it."
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:04 AM
Sep 2015

Thanks Cha, I was just signing off.

Totally clueless..and in BS's name. It's so special!


Luv ya.

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
293. The political force behind A Group, Any Group, that dictates what that group does, says and thinks.
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 06:16 PM
Sep 2015

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
151. Being NEEDLESSLY frustrated at Obama et al doesn't mean a person has to be hateful. Taking the time
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:18 PM
Sep 2015

... to make up shit out about someone to lower their value is hate... that's West and Smiley and they're despised among most black politicos because of their reflexive and petulance

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
268. Say what you want about his delivery, but his allegations are Correct, and Black politico have an
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 06:14 PM
Sep 2015

agenda as 99% of politicians do, I'm sticking with that 1%, Bernie & Elizabeth, who else talks about why, who, and where our misery comes from.

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
277. That's whats' being said about Trump, it's "delivery"... no, it's hatred and if a white person would
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 02:27 AM
Sep 2015

... be spouting the overt racist shit that comes out of West's mouth people would be all over them.

But go ahead people, defend West or minimize his overtly racist tripe ... it's no wonder some hate Obama...

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
274. His fee fee's were hurt?!
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 02:03 AM
Sep 2015

The first Black President of the United States, so maligned and so disrespected. He was elected twice as President, by the majority of the people. He has been disrespected as has his sweet family, yet some see West feelings far more important than the President of the United States.

Yet poor little West had his fee fees hurt. He was frustrated? Okay got it, the President now and always will mean next to nothing.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
161. And if Bernie continues to cozy up to him....he will pay the price too!
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:29 PM
Sep 2015

Bernie DESPERATELY needs the votes of African Americans if he has any chance to win....he cannot afford Cornell West going off on the President!

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
21. Lol~ Hi, Metric System.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 11:50 PM
Sep 2015

Way to go Bernie!!!

Pick a black man, that, how should I say this....not well loved or respected in the AA community and embrace him. A winning team for sure.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
163. taking a chance on Cornell West in South Carolina.....
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:31 PM
Sep 2015

where he desperately needs to pick up Black votes????

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
7. As a Sanders supporter this scares the hell out of me
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:59 PM
Sep 2015

I like Cornel West but he says all manner of crazy shit.

This is a big risk for Bernie. Dr West says anything that is on his mind no matter how unpopular.

What if he says some crazy shit and creates a negative buzz? He could literally fuck everything up.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
12. I think it will be fine.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 11:18 PM
Sep 2015

And I don't think he says "crazy shit." He may just say shit that needs to be said, but I suspect this will be more like a rally and less like some sit-down, drawn-out interview.

He'll probably just talk about oppression - both economically and in terms of race and gender - introduce Sanders and sit down.

The key in this visit is for Dr. West to introduce Sanders to the black leaders in the state - not just the U.S. delegation, whom Sanders already knows, but to those down ticket on the state and local levels.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
13. Is he going to call Obama a terrorist?
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 11:21 PM
Sep 2015

I hope not.

I used the wrong word. Instead of crazy I should have said complicated, confusing and controversial.

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
17. Yes he and Tavis do say crazy shit.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 11:44 PM
Sep 2015

Naiveté of Tavis Smiley & Cornel West Attack On Obama Danger To Poor & Blacks


Tavis Smiley and Cornel West have been running around the country for some time disparaging the president on his progressive values and on his specific action to attack poverty in general and on problems in the black community specifically. While there is much merit to what they say, generally their failure to understand the dynamics involved in navigating the presidency, especially the presidency of the first black president displays either an elevated level of naiveté, or a self-serving interest that presents a danger to both the poor and to African Americans. The fact that they were doing this during the heart of the election season likely makes the latter more consistent with their actions. If this is the case then they are doing what many leaders and false prophets have done, make money on the backs of the disenfranchised under the pretense of caring. One must ask how much of the proceeds from their books on these issues went to support projects to effectively help the poor.

Tavis Smiley was never an ardent supporter of President Obama. That of course is his right. His antagonism of the president during the 2008 Democratic Primaries hit a crescendo when the president did not attend Smiley’s “State Of The Black Union” forum in New Orleans even as Hillary Clinton did. In a further display of uncalled for arrogance, he rejected then Senator Obama’s request to have Michelle Obama represent him at the forum. Further he castigated Senator Obama for distancing himself from Reverend Jeremiah Wright, and for not attending African American events Smiley deemed he should attend. The height of this man’s arrogance, lack of scope, and self-serving hyperbole makes him an unfit spokesman for the cause of the poor and disenfranchised. That Dr. Cornel West has allowed himself to be Tavis Smiley’s sidekick speaks poorly of his judgment.

I received an email from a dear friend today that made me aware of an interview given to Smiley and West on Democracy Now with Amy Goodman & Juan González. In that interview Cornel West referred to the president as “a Rockefeller Republican in blackface”. He also implied that Al Sharpton, Melissa Harris-Perry, and Michael Dyson, three MSNBC personalities generally supportive of the President are on the take. Had such statements being made by others in the media, both Smiley and West would be up in arms making accusations of racism. They continued to bash the president on his progressive negotiating skills and his lack of doing anything for the poor. What their argument lacked was specifics of what they believe the executive could really do to correct many of the ills in the black community specifically and for the poor generally.

Here is the reality. America was not ready for a black president in 2008 or 2012. President Obama defied many realities with his political skills and a very competent campaign to win. He was aided by Bush fatigue, a depressed economy, and a lousy candidate in John McCain in 2008. In 2012 he was aided by a Plutocrat he made unelectable early in the campaign because to a sufficiently large percentage of prejudiced Americans, a black president they despise is better than the white president that will destroy their middle class life. One can only guess that Kansas is waking up. The President made himself the least fearful black man in the United States. He ensured that no events that he attended could possibly be used to insight white racial fears. He ensured that America was well aware of his white mother and that he was partially raised by his white grandparents.


Read More http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/24/1164307/-Naivet-of-Tavis-Smiley-Cornel-West-Attack-On-Obama-Danger-To-Poor-Blacks#

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
58. Hmmm . . . President Obama gave the euology for his friend
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 02:41 AM
Sep 2015

State Senator Pickney at an AA church full of peeps who adore and love the President as much as I do. Good luck with Cornel West as an AA recruiting strategy.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
133. most people don't know who cornel west is
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 06:46 PM
Sep 2015

and the only reason so many here do is because he had temerity to criticize Obama. some people seem to think every black person in america fawns over Obama the way some of his more ardent supporters do here.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
196. I suspect most AAs DON'T know who CW is ...
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:33 PM
Sep 2015

But the majority of those that do, don't have much love or respect for him.

And that said, those that don't know who he is, are unlikely to hear anything that he says.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
237. And still, the use of CW is unlikely to benefit the Bernie campaign, as ...
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 08:11 AM
Sep 2015

again, those that do not know who he is are unlikely to be the types to come out to hear his message.

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
184. This is false especially among black politicos, West and Smiley are WELL known Obama haters...
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:01 PM
Sep 2015

... they drink gallons of Obama HaterAide

Cha

(297,029 posts)
221. "..the temerity to criticize.."? No.. to attack President Obama with crazy ass racist shite..
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:42 AM
Sep 2015

Don't try to sugar coat it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026899166

“Rockefeller Republican in blackface.”
“brown-faced Clinton.”
"Kenny G in brown skin.”
"a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs"
"a black puppet of corporate plutocrats."
"a niggerized black person."


Cali http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=575906

And, your using the word "fawn" when talking about President Obama's supporters say everything about you and nothing about us.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
135. utter and complete nonsense
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 06:52 PM
Sep 2015

too absurd to even comment on, given the dismal statistics that continue to plague the poorest among us. those statistics simply do not change, regardless of who has which letter behind his/her name in the white house. why is UI still so high among african-americans, for example? is that because of tavis smiley and cornel west?

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
167. It was over 18% and it's now 9%
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:36 PM
Sep 2015

Check out the The Obama Diary. These type of stats are posted everyday which I retweet DAILY.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
90. Well you should gird yours
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:59 AM
Sep 2015

Last edited Mon Sep 7, 2015, 02:33 PM - Edit history (1)

Because Cornel West is a potential nightmare in SC

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
229. Ummmm
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 03:08 AM
Sep 2015

You said this!

And I don't think he says "crazy shit." He may just say shit that needs to be said,


Cornel West Takes on Obama



Philosopher and Princeton Professor Cornel West sparked controversy this week with comments he made about President Obama. In an interview with Truthdig, he lambasted the President for failing to deliver on alleged campaign promises and took aim at the President’s connection to the black community. West complained that Obama hadn’t called him back and refused to provide inauguration tickets for West’s mother and brother. He also said that Obama is “a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs and a black puppet of corporate plutocrats. And now he has become head of the American killing machine and is proud of it.” West didn’t immediately return requests for comment.

snip

Melissa Harris-Perry writes in The Nation:

“Furthermore, West’s sense of betrayal is clearly more personal than ideological. In Hedges’s article West claims that a true progressive would always put love of the people above concern with the elite and privileged. Then he complains, “I couldn’t get a ticket [to the inauguration] with my mother and my brother. I said this is very strange. We drive into the hotel and the guy who picks up my bags from the hotel has a ticket to the inauguration… We had to watch the thing in the hotel.” Let me get this straight—the tenured, Princeton professor who collects five figures for public lectures was relegated to a hotel television while an anonymous hotel worker got tickets to the inauguration! What kind of crazy, mixed up class politics are these? Wait a minute…


http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2011/05/20/cornel-west-takes-on-obama/

Things that need to be said....K?~

MADem

(135,425 posts)
24. Cornel West makes it his business to shit on Barack Obama regularly. He is a pariah for this reason
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 11:54 PM
Sep 2015


mak3cats

(1,573 posts)
29. So, because he is a black man, he isn't allowed to criticize a black man without being vilified?
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:08 AM
Sep 2015

Sorry, but I think every human has the right to his or her own opinion, without consideration of what "group" they belong to. Otherwise, I would be expected to unquestioningly support Hillary because we both happen to have vaginas. (My apology for the blunt language.)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
37. Criticism is one thing--making vile, raced-based insults is another thing altogether.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:45 AM
Sep 2015

I can't even repeat some of the invective CW has said about POTUS without having to use ellipses and asterisks. The man has said some ugly shit about Barack, stuff that doesn't go down well with a substantial percentage of the community. Here's a MILD example: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/22/cornel-west-barack-obama_n_3635614.html

I have to wonder if someone isn't screwing Sanders over with this pairing and he's just not sufficiently wired in to understand the political consequences. IMO, it's a HORRIBLE idea. It's another game of breaking off the fringe. I don't see it ending well at all.

If he wants the nomination of the DEMOCRATIC Party....do you seriously think it is a good idea to drag along behind him an assclown who has done nothing save SHIT on the head of that party...and then expect any grace or favors? It's lunacy. It is a recipe for self-destruction.

Here, read this:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/08/cornel-west-and-the-insular-obama-hating-left.html

Then read this (it is a bit of a slog but try to get through it--it's someone who has been through the wringer with this guy):

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121550/cornel-wests-rise-fall-our-most-exciting-black-scholar-ghost

I'd say this is a tactical mistake of the first magnitude. Would love to know who gave him this "advice."

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
71. Vile.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 04:24 AM
Sep 2015
Cornel West tore into Obama and Sharpton for sanitizing King’s vision of economic and racial equality. “Brother Martin himself, I think, would’ve been turning over in his grave,” West told an interviewer at the time, adding: “We saw the coronation of the bona fide house negro of the Barack Obama plantation, our dear brother Al Sharpton.”


Holy Shit. And Bernie is walking hand and hand with him.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
108. "Obama is a global George Zimmerman"
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:42 PM
Sep 2015


Sanders really wants this at his side?

Or is it just desperation and inability to find another prominent AA to stand by him?

Regardless, it makes Sanders look clueless.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
109. That's not the worst thing he's said, either. Like I said, if I repeated that
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:47 PM
Sep 2015

shit, the non-contextual among us would slap ME with a hide.

If he goes off on that tangent while he happily listens to himself talk, he's going to encounter some revulsion...unless, of course, he's talking to a bunch of far rightwingers who cheer him on.

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
32. Dyson Puts Cornel West Where He Belongs, “You Ain’t That Important”
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:26 AM
Sep 2015
Some of us had been wondering how long Michael Eric Dyson would continue to play defense against attacks by whining “you-didn’t-invite-me-to-the-White-House-and-because-of-that-I-must-hatefully-criticize-you-Obama” Cornel West and to some extent his other moronic angry, aggrieved jester Tavis Smiley. Well, let’s wonder no more because Dr. Michael Eric Dyson fired back at the right place and at the right time, at the hugely popular Al Sharpton’s National Action Network events which just concluded. He let loose a barrage of memorable responses to the faeces that Prof. Cornel West has been spewing out of his mouth lately, out of assumption of being belittled (which he deserves whether intended or not), and sheer jealousy of being ignored by the executives at MSNBC.

When the lion and the whining pussy-cat came face to face, it was no contest as the lion (Dyson) told the pussy-cat (West), “you ain’t that important.”

Cornel West has been parading around for awhile like an ignorant Ostrich blaming the Obama administration for everything bad under the sun happening to America, since he started lamenting that Obama refused to invite him, his mother, uncle and brother to the first inaugural ceremonies in 2008. Just because he luke-warmly supported Obama during the campaign. Listen, he was a late comer having behaved like the other black leaders who kept their distance from Obama until the whites in Iowa dealt a blow to Hilary’s ambition, before they realized “oh wow, if the whites thought so highly about our own, why shouldn’t we support him.” Okay, so what if he supported Obama during the campaign. So did a lot of us. I used hours of my radio program to blast the hell out of Mr. “Bomb Bomb” McCain.

Okay, I received the general invitation and I had to watch the inauguration almost from the edge of the Potomac river, and it cost me a lot of money to journey to Washington, DC, and check us into an suitable hotel. So Prof. West why do you think you are more important, ehn?

Okay, this is not about me, it is about you calling Rev. Al Sharpton, Dr. Melissa Harris-Perry and Dr. Michael Eric Dyson “house negroes of the Obama White House,” and being a Judas of the black community when it comes to the Obama administration in your hateful comments and criticisms, a courage you didn’t display during the Bush administration. But hey, you got your comeuppance from Michael, and as told by Rolling Out, I am glad:


Read More http://africansuntimes.com/2014/04/dyson-puts-cornel-west-where-he-belongs-you-aint-that-important/

He and Tavis are quite a pair are they not MADem!?



MADem

(135,425 posts)
38. I think this is an INSANE pairing...it's like he wants to get off the merry go round, and figures
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:49 AM
Sep 2015

this will do it, or something...?


"Hi, I'm Bernie Sanders, and I want the nomination of the Democratic Party, which is led by a guy named BARACK OBAMA....so here I am, playing a dog-and-pony show with the guy who calls Obama every nasty racist/racial-cuz-he-can-get-away-with-it name in the book!"


Does he not realize that Obama polls well with many--no, MOST-- black people? And that Cornel's whinging shit goes over like a lead balloon?

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
48. Quote.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 01:23 AM
Sep 2015
"Hi, I'm Bernie Sanders, and I want the nomination of the Democratic Party, which is led by a guy named BARACK OBAMA....so here I am, playing a dog-and-pony show with the guy who calls Obama every nasty racist/racial-cuz-he-can-get-away-with-it name in the book!"



Bernie knows economic issues. He lost the dance at the cotillion when it comes to social issues. He lost when he embraced West. West hates Obama, you lost Bernie, you do not throw Obama under the bus. As you well know, AA does not think highly of West or Tavis.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
49. I think it's madness. It will certainly make for an interesting campaign swing, though.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 01:32 AM
Sep 2015

Anyone who knows anything about Cornel, they know it's all about HIM. He wants the spotlight, and he wants center stage.

He won't be able to help himself, he'll start running his mouth and call Obama one of those rude words--he just HAS to have attention, and the way he always gets it is to lob some bitter nasty "plantation" comment at POTUS. The only question, really, is how offensive he'll get.

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
51. Bernie just made a huge mistake.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 01:46 AM
Sep 2015

Cornel does indeed love the limelight. He won't be able to stop himself. I am holding myself in check here. To easy to get a hide.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
124. I live in Harlem. Hate may be a bit strong, but there is lots of anger against West and Tavis
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 05:37 PM
Sep 2015

They are viewed as being anti-Obama out of ego for not getting a special seat at the inauguration. Folks here in Harlem haven't forgotten that, and I doubt African American folks elsewhere have forgotten that either.

If you don't know that, it is you living in a bubble.

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
168. ummmm,
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:37 PM
Sep 2015

They do.

Do you post at AA often? Do you read there posts?

I don't remember seeing you there.

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
157. This is absolutely a huge tone deaf move by Sanders, I don't believe Sanders is an asshole like West
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:22 PM
Sep 2015

... is but embrassing an asshole like West makes me think he either hates Obama too or isn't paying a bit of attention to black politico

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
52. This comment will really resonate with people of South Carolina.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 02:00 AM
Sep 2015

Bernie Sanders has been in Congress working for the poor and working people for several decades now.

 

HappyPlace

(568 posts)
188. Be careful, there are white people telling black people that West is a bad dude.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:08 PM
Sep 2015

And that it will hurt Bernie, someone who they really don't like because of a certain other candidate.

I'm dizzy, I need to sit down.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
257. A concern that seems completely missing the irony of ...
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 04:43 PM
Sep 2015

a white man/person (Person W1) warning a Black person (Person B2) that a white person (W2) is telling them about a Black person (B2); when, the W2's "warning" is closer to the majority sentiment of Black folks, than B1.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
20. Rock Hill is only 20 miles south of Charlotte.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 11:47 PM
Sep 2015

What do you want to bet there will be a lot of people there from North Carolina to hear Bernie speak, too?

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
34. Am from there....
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:35 AM
Sep 2015

A little further South....I aint saying he cannot get a crowd.....Its who Bernie DESPERATELY needs to ingratiate himself with in the Southern States if he is to have ANY kind of a chance in the Primary.....and he brings Cornell West who tends to act like everyone's drunk and angry uncle at the Thanksgiving Dinner! That would be helpful....let him go down there and Trash talk Barack Obama...that'll help for SURE!

Brilliant!....please proceed.

 

Amish Farmer

(54 posts)
42. Please proceed.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 01:04 AM
Sep 2015

If there are at least 5% of the Rock Hill crowd at Bernie's rally that are diverse, will you quietly silence yourself and reconsider your race-baiting tactics?

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
84. Congrats! You survived the alert!
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:39 AM
Sep 2015

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She race and gender baits alot.
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VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
165. Its called Predictwise and....
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:35 PM
Sep 2015

PredictWise is a research project which includes members of Microsoft Research, but should in no way be construed as representing the views or predictions of Microsoft or any of its entities....

They take in all datapoints....just like any bookie would....and create the odds...You just don't like the odds....

And Nate Silver and Real Clear Politics say the same thing....

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
106. O I know you were trying to....
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:35 PM
Sep 2015

Still have no idea what you are trying to say...

Perhaps try clarity.....

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
43. Hey Major.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 01:08 AM
Sep 2015

Good to see you. You have been gone so long. I have missed talking to you.

Here is something. I have listened to Tavis and Cornel on NPR. Honestly, I do not like them very much. They trash our President constantly.

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/1251574719#post32

He also called Sharpton, Perry and Dyson 'House Negros'. Not a good embrace for Bernie. IMHO, not good at all.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
57. Have you ever been to South Carolina?
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 02:36 AM
Sep 2015

Last edited Mon Sep 7, 2015, 06:01 PM - Edit history (1)

I was there 40 years ago today.
I was stationed at Fort Jackson when I went through boot camp in the Army.
Fort Jackson is located just outside of Columbia.

I haven't been gone at all.
I've posted at DU all summer long.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
64. I was there in the past year....family still lives there
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 02:48 AM
Sep 2015

I did until 4 years ago....

No the Anti Obama' Sharpton and Dyson rhetoric is not going to play well...in fact its darn near tone deaf!

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
69. No.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 03:17 AM
Sep 2015

I have never been to So. Carolina.

Me, I just will never like someone that trashes Obama. Tavis and Cornel have done that. What they have done is petty and small. I know we have different candidates, doesn't mean I don't still luv ya.

I stay here for Obama. I will stay until he is gone. I am weaning myself of this place. I have friends in AA and HoF and BOG. I love them all. I want to stay in touch.

So sorry I missed you all summer. I would have loved to have said hello.

Best~

she

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
73. You should visit there some time.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 05:17 AM
Sep 2015

They don't get 100 inches of snow in the winter.
They have sand fleas that will bite you in places hidden under your clothes.
And the humidity in late summer will make you forget about taking showers in the morning because you will be soaked again by 10 AM anyway.
It's a lovely place probably.

Nevertheless, back in 2008 it was none other than Hillary and Bill Clinton trashing Obama.
So, I will agree with you about that one sentiment you have, I will never like someone like that, either.
I don't forget or forgive because the stakes were too high for us back in 2008 for that kind of nonsense.

I don't post in the HOF or the BOG or the AA groups anymore, mostly because you guys said that Bernie's supporters are all racists.
I think I have lost a lot of good friends at the DU this summer simply because I disagree with the notion that all of Bernie's supporters are racists.
All that happened right here at the DU.

Not on Twitter.
Not on Facebook.
Right here on the good ol' DU.

It's been at least 90 days since you have made any comments to me.
I just figured it was because you were busy.

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
150. Thank you for remembering the 100 inches of snow.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:15 PM
Sep 2015

Not sure I would like the sand fleas and humidity any better. At the very least, I would not have had to shovel them. However, I did little of that last year. My sweet downstairs neighbor too care of most of that for me. Bless his heart.

I was not here in 2008.Yet I watched and read anything I could. I wanted Obama. I truly did. He has done so much for us despite the hate.



Nevertheless, back in 2008 it was none other than Hillary and Bill Clinton trashing Obama.
So, I will agree with you about that one sentiment you have, I will never like someone like that, either.
I don't forget or forgive because the stakes were too high for us back in 2008 for that kind of nonsense.



Did I agree then on some of what Bill and Hillary said about him, no. Yet he is a generous man. They worked out their differences. If he forgave that, then I do as well. She evolved. You know, that was politics what Cornnel and Tavis are doing is personal. They keep doubling down. "the first niggerized President"

I received an email from a dear friend today that made me aware of an interview given to Smiley and West on Democracy Now with Amy Goodman & Juan González. In that interview Cornel West referred to the president as “a Rockefeller Republican in blackface”. He also implied that Al Sharpton, Melissa Harris-Perry, and Michael Dyson, three MSNBC personalities generally supportive of the President are on the take. Had such statements being made by others in the media, both Smiley and West would be up in arms making accusations of racism.

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=574916

****************

He also called them "house Negros"

****************

This is the hardest to address. No 0ne here ever said this. No one. No one here has ever used such a large brush saying all Sanders supporters are racist. Are there some? Yes! Are some HRC supporters racist? Again yes.

I don't post in the HOF or the BOG or the AA groups anymore, mostly because you guys said that Bernie's supporters are all racists.
I think I have lost a lot of good friends at the DU this summer simply because I disagree with the notion that all of Bernie's supporters are racists.
All that happened right here at the DU.


As for not talking to you, I sent you a pm, actually now two. I had been looking for you.


Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
195. This isn't my first go around here at the DU.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:31 PM
Sep 2015

I have been here since 2003, but left in 2004 for quite a spell when a lot of people here started bashing Kerry.

Nevertheless, I have been here all summer this year, reading and writing.
And I read what was said about Bernie supporters in the AA group.
And in the HOF group.
And in the BOG.

That's why it is the hardest part for you to address.
Who is that in your avatar?



It doesn't matter much.
The annexation of those groups doesn't bother me much.

I had to block getting PMs from the people who had sent me PMs previously because I was getting too many PMs.


sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
205. You blocked your PMs.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:21 PM
Sep 2015

Okay. Now you know I tried.

You read what was said, yet it was never said that all Bernie supporters are racist. No one ever did. I have been accused of a lot of things, yet I never said that. It was never said!

My avatar is bravenak.

She was a Bernie supporter. She is AA. She kept trying to explain where she was coming from and #black lives matter. She did Op after Op trying to explain to the Bernie group that they needed to chill. She was accused of being a Hill supporter. Trust me, she never was. She had 4 hides in a few hours on August 8th.They wanted her silent. Well they did. She was a Bernie supporter and they SILENCED her. Now, she is undecided.

I love her, never cared who she supported, she is such a kind person.

Me, I am white, blond, blue eyed. I will fight very day for justice. Because black lives matter to me.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
210. Yes. Yes, I did.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 12:01 AM
Sep 2015

I had to. I was getting too many.
I also put some people on ignore.

I know all about bravenak.
I don't why she went overboard the way she did, but she did.
She was lucky she wasn't banned.
I've seen other members at the DU banned for less.

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
212. Okay.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 01:00 AM
Sep 2015

I'll try here.

Bravenak, all AA are incredibly frustrated. Are they angry, yes they are. They are being shot down unarmed in the street.The perp? That would be the police. They are walking on all charges. Free, they walk with impunity.

The frustration? People go into that group and explain how they should feel. They tell AA how they should react and what is best for them. They tell them who the best candidate is for them. They are one of the kindest, most understanding and tolerant groups here. Guess what, they are being alert stalked and driven off this board. That is a fact.

FYI, Hillary supporters are being stalked as well. We are the minority here. BS supporters control the juries. I want this to be fair. It is not.

As a woman, no person will ever TELL me what is right for me. I am informed and will make the decision that is best for me and those I hold dear. I am not a single issue voter, never have been, Major.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
202. No one in the AA Group has said anything close to ...
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:00 PM
Sep 2015

calling Bernie supporters as racist ... though there ARE some Bernie support who very well may be racist, and have said some racially sketchy things (e.g., calling an African-American posters raising racial issues a "Race-nagger" ... poster calling African-American posters discussing racial issues, "perpetually perturbed&quot .

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
238. It saddens me that white DUers would twist themselves in knots ...
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 08:18 AM
Sep 2015

to wear the "implied" message being communicated by PoC DUers (and our allies); while ignoring the plain language of Bernie supporters directed AT PoC DUer ... for no other apparent reason than because they are Bernie supporters.

As the saying going, "there may be racist Bernie supporters but they are OUR racist Bernie supporters"

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
270. I was flipping through a couple threads where DUers have accused others of calling them racists ...
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 07:56 PM
Sep 2015

and when pressed, they have only been able to post the Marissa/BLM thing.

It got so thick that I had to take a break ... and as I was walking, it struck me ... We have officially enter a strange place where white DUers are doing the same stuff that if they were Black, some would be calling them out for "Playing the race card".

When it comes to Black grievances, we have to point to exact and specific language that is unquestioningly racist in nature, lest we be dismissed as being "perpetually perturbed" or "race-naggers", seeing insult where none exists; but, these white DUers are basing their entire claim on their interpretation of they found, having read between the lines of implied statements made by Black DUers (and our allies) ... And, to make matters worse, unless these aggrieved, and offended, DUers were in Seattle, the comment couldn't possibly have been directed at them!

This is Strange Space we find ourselves.

 

Scred loves Lily

(17 posts)
215. Tank Hill.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 01:37 AM
Sep 2015

No dogs, no niggers, and no GI's was still on the gate at Spartinburg gate when I was there.

nite buddy,

you are next on fire guard.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
125. Location is great.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 05:50 PM
Sep 2015

and not only Charlotte but those who couldn't get into his speech in Columbia, SC last month which is only 70 miles away. And, there's both a black college and community college in Rock Hill.

I hope Winthrop has a big enough Auditorium or Stadium to capture the crowds. Winthrop has 7,000 students..so hopefully so.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
131. I think it is, too.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 06:37 PM
Sep 2015

If Bernie thinks that by talking to ALL Americans is the right way to go about winning over people, I think he will become more popular.

Response to Fawke Em (Original post)

salib

(2,116 posts)
72. "In Tow"? That never has a good image associated with it.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 04:31 AM
Sep 2015

Please try to use better images in OP titles. The original title for the article is "Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders schedules campaign rally at Winthrop University in Rock Hill".

 

MoveIt

(399 posts)
82. "In tow"
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:15 AM
Sep 2015

Last edited Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:56 AM - Edit history (1)

For what its worth, I don't think there's any negative connotation with the idiom, and it's origin is very old, middle english it seems. And it seems to have meant the same thing then, either carts or ships being roped together.

Maybe you can be more descriptive about the imagery this phrase evokes for you?

salib

(2,116 posts)
96. Apologize for a terse reply here.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:18 AM
Sep 2015

I wouldike research h and give examples As you gave me a thoughtful reply. However, lack of time means just my quick thoughts. I generally have seen the reference to "in tow" to be akin to "following" and of lesser importance, like "with wife in tow".

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
132. While I do understand it is a common expression
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 06:39 PM
Sep 2015

It does nonetheless merit a slightly raised eyebrow, arising from the very origin you cite - ie as in a procession of things roped or chained to follow.

The commonly understood meaning itself, and as commonly used, connotes "brought along in a subservient capacity."
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
245. I was being sarcastic
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 12:42 PM
Sep 2015

Merely making a personal accusation ("projection&quot is not an argument of any kind.
 

MoveIt

(399 posts)
247. The OP must clearly see West as 'subservient' right?
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 03:15 PM
Sep 2015

That's why they chose to edit the title of the original article right? because of nefarious notions of subservience!

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
248. I have no idea what the OP thinks
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 03:26 PM
Sep 2015

I believe that use of the phrase is best reconsidered in this context, for the reasons stated. Whether the ordinary connotations of the phrase were intended, I would have no idea.

Clearly, looking at the thread, there are several others who also expressed unease with use of the phrase in this context.

One certainly has the right to express oneself any way one desires. How one's expression is perceived by others is another question entirely.

 

MoveIt

(399 posts)
249. And what pray tell...
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 03:29 PM
Sep 2015

And what pray tell is that common factor to those posters who saw subservience in the phrase?

PROJECTION

salib

(2,116 posts)
283. My wife thought of a good example.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 06:45 AM
Sep 2015

People are often referred to have "kids in tow", and not in a positive way.

Also, I thought of this example:
Consider the phrase "there goes Putin with Obama in tow". Then consider the one "There goes Obama with Putin in tow". Which one would be in the American press release?

 

MoveIt

(399 posts)
287. Thanks for the example
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 10:16 AM
Sep 2015

While I see your point and believe reasonable people could disagree whether the OP (a Bernie Supporter) intended it as a slight,(what would be the motive in that? ) I do believe that a presidential candidate and Senator has more 'status' than a professor and political firebrand like West. Your example the two people (Obama, Putin) are of equal status (Leaders of states), so that would be editorializing.

salib

(2,116 posts)
290. I did not suggest a motive. Only suggested improvement.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 02:38 AM
Sep 2015

What I posted was: 'Please try to use better images in OP titles. The original title for the article is "Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders schedules campaign rally at Winthrop University in Rock Hill". ' after explaining that "in tow" generally is not complimentary.

As to your comment that that Bernie has more "status" than Cornel is unfortunate. We including a distinguished guest or colleague, one always points out that the guest has at least the same if not greater stature in some way important to the audience at hand. Otherwise, he is perhaps just along for the ride. "In tow", so to speak.

These things do matter, I believe.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
92. So he is taking an Obama hater to the place where Obama is next to MLK
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:01 AM
Sep 2015

among democratic primary voters?

LMFAO

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
99. At some point I'm thinking Sanders should be called tone deaf but I'll wait... see what he's going t
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:54 AM
Sep 2015

... to do with West

Number23

(24,544 posts)
139. He has already been called tone deaf over and over and over again.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:51 PM
Sep 2015

And this will do absolutely NOTHING to change this image of him.

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
164. He's going in reverse with me, West should be kept away from with a 10 foot poll and Sanders is
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:31 PM
Sep 2015

... bringing him along?!

This is...

wow

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
112. I've seen claims here that Obama will endorse Sanders too.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:59 PM
Sep 2015

I think this pretty much puts the kibosh on that...

Cha

(297,029 posts)
235. Even if the President would endorse in the primary.. he wouldn't endorse BS.. he's knows way
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 04:58 AM
Sep 2015

better than that.

Just a pic from today, Starry.


President Barack Obama greets an enthusiastic crowd during the Greater Boston Labor Council Labor Day Breakfast at the Park Plaza Hotel, September 07, 2015


http://theobamadiary.com/2015/09/07/chat-on-111/#comments

Happy Labor Day~

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
98. West hates Obama and has said some of the most vile and non work place racist things about him
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:53 AM
Sep 2015

... Sanders is tone deaf if he lets Wests withing a mile of his campaign!!

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
110. There is a lot of anger towards West here in Harlem. I think this is going to backfire.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:49 PM
Sep 2015

Just about every African American person I talk to around here is mad that West and Smiley became anti-Obama when he was/they were denied a special seat at the inauguration.

That hasn't been forgotten.

West is toxic among the majority of the black community.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
126. Is it possible that there would be more appeal for him in the South
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 05:52 PM
Sep 2015

than in Harlem? Seems to be two totally different audiences. South seems to like the Evangelical Style that West conveys over the more Intellectual Audience that Harlem and Northeast African-American Audiences would be receptive to. .

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
127. No, I don't believe so. If anything, Wests appeal has always been stronger in the Northeast
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 05:57 PM
Sep 2015

And Obama's support among African Americans is even stronger in the South than here in the Northeast although the that is only a matter of a few percentage points. The Presidents support in the AA community is huge all over.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
130. But, Obama isn't running this time.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 06:29 PM
Sep 2015

Bernie and Cornell West present a different view of Democratic Politics to SC and over the border NC Politics.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
134. No, but we are talking about West and the damage his treatment of Obama has done to him and to anyon
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 06:51 PM
Sep 2015

To anyone and anything he tries to endorse.

West is terribly damaged in the AA community.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
141. Well then lets let the Voters of SC and NC make up their minds about Dr. West
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 08:04 PM
Sep 2015

themselves. You seem to want to make it seem they shouldn't have a choice. And, Obama isn't running this time so West's message along with Bernie might appeal to those who are in a different place in life than they were when Obama ran.

We've already had the First Black President elected and that needs to be Built Upon and not stopped in it's tracks by those who naysay about whether West's message is inappropriate to be heard by "Thinking People" who have intelligence enough to decide who they want to support and who they don't in the Post Obama period in American History.

Let "The People" Listen and Decide for Themselves.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
145. And this discussion is about how that's likely to go. You say that as if it's a choice.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 08:27 PM
Sep 2015

Of course the voters there will have their chance.

Do you think there is anything you to I could do to stop that? Pretty silly thing for you to say if you think about it.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
185. {Sighhh} The People of DU do not believe PoC ...
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:01 PM
Sep 2015

when we tell DUers that majorities of the Black community have very little love for CW.

The People of DU do not believe political commentators (that be you Steven) when they tell DUers that PoC have told you that majorities of the Black community have very little love for CW.

Then ... the people of DU fall back to "let's let {PoC} make up their own minds."

{Sighhh}

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
193. That is a hilarious (and at the same time frustrating) point. The folks we are arguing with
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:26 PM
Sep 2015

are desperate to try to make things anything but what they are on a number of fronts and that leads them into circular arguing positions, logical fallacies and generalized denial of reality over and over again.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
169. Okay....let him let loose with his views on this President....
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:39 PM
Sep 2015

and see how big that goes over okay?

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
189. I really doubt if Sanders or West has the courage to say what they really think about Obama...
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:11 PM
Sep 2015

... they'll sanitize as much as the can to avoid this

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
172. Yeah Cornel West's "favorables" are really low among the AA community!
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:41 PM
Sep 2015

seems Sanders supporters only seem to understand "favorables and unfavorables" today, so I thought I would say it in terms they would understand!

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
173. Obama wasn't running during the off yr elections either but pols who ran away from him lost big ...
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:42 PM
Sep 2015

.. because of the notion a lot of middle class blacks and poc have that if you don't like Obama you'd hate me.

Obama policy wise has completed 76% of what he said he do which is damn good with a congress that has set out against him day one.

For the left the hatred sounds self centered as if there's been no progress no where... this is the West \ Smiley's with a tinge or racism tied to it.

For the right it's been down right overtly and apologetically racist...

Senator Tankerbell

(316 posts)
194. This audience in Harlem seems to like Dr. West
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:30 PM
Sep 2015

Maybe you didn't check with everyone?

From August 27th, 2015:

?t=2h23m37s

Seems to me that his message was fairly well received.
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
199. Posters for that have been up all over here. You're not telling me anything I didn't know.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:41 PM
Sep 2015

And it changes nothing. The overwhelming consensus here is that people dislike West.

Senator Tankerbell

(316 posts)
206. According to your experience
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:30 PM
Sep 2015

I'll take your word for it but you know that is just anecdotal. Do you think it's possible that that the people you choose to interact with might not reflect "the overwhelming consensus"?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
207. No, it's not possible.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:31 PM
Sep 2015

I'm pretty active in the community and have a pretty good sense of it.

Nice try though.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
275. I hope I will be forgiven if I am somewhat skeptical that you are so deep in with the community that
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 02:06 AM
Sep 2015

you know what everyone feels.

nevergiveup

(4,759 posts)
111. Huge mistake IMHO
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:56 PM
Sep 2015

Up to this point I think Bernie has run a flawless and remarkably positive campaign that is gaining momentum by the second so I am hoping this news is from "The Onion" and not for real. West is incredibly divisive and and at times extremely mean and hateful and would be a disaster for Bernie's campaign. He will turn on Bernie in a split second once Bernie is elected and has to govern. If this is true I find the decision by the Sander's campaign to be both mind boggling and unsettling. Please say "it ain't so".

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
128. West leans more to Bernie's Social Democratic beliefs, though.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 06:00 PM
Sep 2015

And, he has an Evangelical Style of speech that the South likes. Whether African-American or Other.

His problem with Obama was that he expected more. And, yes...I also find him controversial at times but I take into consideration what point of view he comes from.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
140. We all expected more.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:54 PM
Sep 2015

But, now that Obama is less than a year and a half from being replaced, it's time to choose his successor.
While Bernie was busy supporting Obama in the Senate, Hillary wouldn't even take a position on the 3 most controversial issues of the past 30 years.



 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
174. Then let West's freak flag fly....let him tell them all about how he feels about our President!
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:43 PM
Sep 2015

You sure are good at sugar-coating West's "unfavorables" among the AA community

Do you think THOSE beliefs will sell there?

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
182. Belief that Obama is a global Zimmerman?! Really?! I've said before that Sanders comes off as ..
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:59 PM
Sep 2015

... hating Obama or trying to run from him and this does nothing to defuse that notion.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
211. Professor West can speak eloquently to the issues Bernie is running on.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 12:09 AM
Sep 2015

Dr. West can speak a bouquet of flowers that would rival the Garden of Eden, when he so chooses.
I've seen him do it before.
He's extremely intelligent, and very compassionate about the issues he talks about.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
175. Here we go...
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:48 PM
Sep 2015

Cornel West’s rage against President Barack Obama evokes that kind of venom. He has accused Obama of political minstrelsy, calling him a “Rockefeller Republican in blackface”; taunted him as a “brown-faced Clinton”; and derided him as a “neoliberal opportunist.” In 2011, West and I were both speakers at a black newspaper conference in Chicago. During a private conversation, West asked how I escaped being dubbed an “Obama hater” when I was just as critical of the president as he was. I shared my three-part formula for discussing Obama before black audiences: Start with love for the man and pride in his epic achievement; focus on the unprecedented acrimony he faces as the nation’s first black executive; and target his missteps and failures. No matter how vehemently I disagree with Obama, I respect him as a man wrestling with an incredibly difficult opportunity to shape history. West looked into my eyes, sighed, and said: “Well, I guess that’s the difference between me and you. I don’t respect the brother at all.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121550/cornel-wests-rise-fall-our-most-exciting-black-scholar-ghost

Good luck with THAT decision Bernie....hope you can keep Cornel West mellow!

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
142. I always enjoyed Dr. West when he butted heads with the opposition.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 08:12 PM
Sep 2015

Don't know if he's invited onto political talk shows as frequently these days, as I've been joyfully bereft of cable or satellite for half-a-dozen years.

His oratory, OTOH, often made we wince. I envisioned him as a Ferlinghetti / Cleaver / Gortner novelty Vegas act.

I'm guessing by the responses to this thread that he hasn't changed much.

Never understood the appeal of Smiley, whose interviewing style was uncomfortably reminiscent of Merv Griffin.


Say... is West a Sanders surrogate now?

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
146. I hope it works out for Bernie Sanders...
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 08:35 PM
Sep 2015
Beneath the Spin: The Reason why Black People Hate Tavis & Cornel

Let’s Set the Record Straight – Black People Don’t Hate Tavis Smiley and Cornel West Simply Because They’re Critical of Obama.



*Why is it that most Tavis Smiley and Cornel West supporters always jump to the unwarranted conclusion that the only reason that Black people dislike Smiley and West is because they’re criticizing President Obama?
That’s an extremely presumptuous point of view, and it’s not true. The majority of Black people aren’t hostile toward Tavis and West BECAUSE they criticize Obama, but for the WAY they criticize Obama.

The reason we become angry every time they criticize Obama is because Tavis and West are arrogant, petty, self-serving, condescending, and disrespectful, and those flawed character traits come to the forefront whenever the subject of President Obama comes up. In addition, they’re criticisms never come coupled with constructive solutions, so it’s obvious to the Black community that they’re not actually interested in the issues; they’re merely USING the issues as a pretext to attack the man – and Cornel’s repeated racial slanders clearly validates that perception.

Black people clearly understand that ALL politicians’ feet should be kept to the fire, and that includes Obama’s. I’ve written several articles criticizing President Obama, and I’ve also written articles explaining WHY it’s important to hold his feet to the fire (http://wattree.blogspot.com/2011/01/obama-supporters-vs-cheerleaders.html), but when I criticize Obama I make sure that my criticisms are respectful, issue-specific, constructive, I ALWAYS come armed with solutions – and I send them to him. A case in point is an article I wrote in November 2009 entitled, “Could Obama Fall Victim to a Change We Can’t Believe In,” where I said the following:

Read much more at: eurweb


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/24/1164307/-Naivet-of-Tavis-Smiley-Cornel-West-Attack-On-Obama-Danger-To-Poor-Blacks
 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
176. I came across this...
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:50 PM
Sep 2015

Cornel West’s rage against President Barack Obama evokes that kind of venom. He has accused Obama of political minstrelsy, calling him a “Rockefeller Republican in blackface”; taunted him as a “brown-faced Clinton”; and derided him as a “neoliberal opportunist.” In 2011, West and I were both speakers at a black newspaper conference in Chicago. During a private conversation, West asked how I escaped being dubbed an “Obama hater” when I was just as critical of the president as he was. I shared my three-part formula for discussing Obama before black audiences: Start with love for the man and pride in his epic achievement; focus on the unprecedented acrimony he faces as the nation’s first black executive; and target his missteps and failures. No matter how vehemently I disagree with Obama, I respect him as a man wrestling with an incredibly difficult opportunity to shape history. West looked into my eyes, sighed, and said: “Well, I guess that’s the difference between me and you. I don’t respect the brother at all.”


http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121550/cornel-wests-rise-fall-our-most-exciting-black-scholar-ghost

Cha

(297,029 posts)
227. BS wanted President Obama primaried in 2012.. And, I don't think it will work out.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:53 AM
Sep 2015

The hate West brings to the table never does.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026899166

“Rockefeller Republican in blackface.”
“brown-faced Clinton.”
"Kenny G in brown skin.”
"a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs"
"a black puppet of corporate plutocrats."
"a niggerized black person."


Cali http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=575906

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
170. "..Sanders and West will speak in Winthrop’s West Center..." This is just not the right move for...
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:40 PM
Sep 2015

... Sanders, he could not be more tone deaf on Obama hate than to be on stage with Obama's biggest hater

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
178. Exactly.....here is what I found that exemplifies this point...
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:52 PM
Sep 2015

Cornel West’s rage against President Barack Obama evokes that kind of venom. He has accused Obama of political minstrelsy, calling him a “Rockefeller Republican in blackface”; taunted him as a “brown-faced Clinton”; and derided him as a “neoliberal opportunist.” In 2011, West and I were both speakers at a black newspaper conference in Chicago. During a private conversation, West asked how I escaped being dubbed an “Obama hater” when I was just as critical of the president as he was. I shared my three-part formula for discussing Obama before black audiences: Start with love for the man and pride in his epic achievement; focus on the unprecedented acrimony he faces as the nation’s first black executive; and target his missteps and failures. No matter how vehemently I disagree with Obama, I respect him as a man wrestling with an incredibly difficult opportunity to shape history. West looked into my eyes, sighed, and said: “Well, I guess that’s the difference between me and you. I don’t respect the brother at all.”

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121550/cornel-wests-rise-fall-our-most-exciting-black-scholar-ghost

Cha

(297,029 posts)
226. Maybe West will let out some of his racist hateful screed on the President? Or will he keep
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:49 AM
Sep 2015

his mouth shut on that.

They could both rail on Obama.. a duet.. how attractive.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026899166

“Rockefeller Republican in blackface.”
“brown-faced Clinton.”
"Kenny G in brown skin.”
"a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs"
"a black puppet of corporate plutocrats."
"a niggerized black person."


Cali http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=575906

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
252. They'll sanitize everything they say about him. They don't have the courage to say what they really
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 03:58 PM
Sep 2015

... think or West doesn't

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
179. The keen political strategists from the Hillary campaign, with their impeccable recent track record
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:52 PM
Sep 2015

dont think this is a good idea, apparently.

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
181. Cause Hillary pols don't hate Sanders, just think he's tone deaf when it comes to black politico and
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:58 PM
Sep 2015

... this no doubt strengthens that notion.

Obama's biggest overtly knee jerk hater is going to speak with Sanders...

Like having some black person from FAUX news that throws out racial slurs ad nausea as a surrogate... a

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
183. you're honestly trying to compare Cornel West to some Fox News Right Winger?
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:00 PM
Sep 2015

That's totally fucking nonsensical.

Sure, criticize Dr. West, but he's on the complete opposite end of the political spectrum from Fox News.

Nice try.

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
187. No of course not, the FAUX news folks don't overtly fling racist remarks at Obama like West does...
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:07 PM
Sep 2015

... they'd never have the asshole on because of the overt Obama hatred...

Any way... we'll see...

I do NOT hope the west part of the Sanders campaign in SC works out...

This is no doubt tone deaf...

Like having Chappelles Blind White Supremacist as a campaign manager...

lol..

at least that would be funny!!

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
200. Really? Link to a comment on this from political strategist from the Hillary campaign please.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:41 PM
Sep 2015

I doubt anyone from there has commented on this.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
204. I mean the armchair ones on DU, of course, Steve.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:19 PM
Sep 2015

Anyway, it's called being facetious.

Point being, maybe the Hillary people should worry a little more about the series of crappy decisions her campaign has made of late; and let's be honest, there've been a few-- instead of expressing hand wringing "concern" over Sanders appearing with Dr. West.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
214. A lessor man would avoid West for fear of controversy
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 01:16 AM
Sep 2015

Bernie's the real deal, he and West have a lot in common ideologically, and Bernie is not afraid to go with that. I continue to be impressed, we finally have a candidate who is not a heavily managed sell-out, a breath of fresh air.

Will this help Bernie's chances? I have no idea, and don't think that's primarily what drives Sanders. I think he does what he believes in, and tries to educate the electorate, to elevate a long neglected perspective in U.S. politics, rather than putting his finger to the wind to see which way to tack.

still_one

(92,110 posts)
236. Regardless of one's view of Dr. West, he is controversial. You may be impressed with Bernie not
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 07:04 AM
Sep 2015

"being afraid with that", in regard to Dr. West, but it may not be a smart strategy. The question is does Dr. West's prescense unite or alienate more voters?

Reverend Wright made some controversial comments, which were viewed as an alienation of voters, and President Obama distanced himself from Reverend Wright, and those comments. Would the President have won the primary, yet alone the general election if he hadn't? Many on DU were quite upset that the President, as they put it, "threw Reverend Wright" under the bus, however, if the President hadn't distanced himself from Reverend Wright, and those comments, I doubt President Obama would have won the primary.

It is a risk to utilize Dr. West, who has made controversial comments about a President who is extremely popular among Democrats.

If Dr. West simply introduces Bernie, without divisionary language, then this won't hurt his campaign, and perhaps help him. However, if instead he uses polarizing language in his introduction, that alienate Democrats, he will hurt Bernie's campaign



dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
240. Well, the thing is, West's controversial remarks go right to the point of Bernie's campaign
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:25 AM
Sep 2015

I like how Bernie is so skilled at not insulting the corporate Democrats he caucuses with in the Senate, nor the ones he opposes in the POTUS primary. It's an excellent skill that serves Bernie, and the Democratic Party, well, even though the points of disagreement are substantial.

When West criticizes Obama, he does so without that well-honed political skill that Bernie has. So therein lies the risk. But when West criticizes Obama, or other people he (and I) views as corporate sell-outs, he truly has the nation's best interests at heart. West cares, a lot. He will call out what is wrong, and he'll do it without hedging. It's good that Bernie isn't that way, but it's also good, IMO, that he's brave enough to place correct ideology above political expediency.

Bernie's campaign is not about business as usual. If that's what you want, there are plenty of other candidates to support. We need a drastic change in this country, for a number of reasons, it is late and there is little time to correct our course. We need more change than electing one person to the presidency can bring. Which means we need to change the dominant political paradigm, the one that says you can get elected as a centrist candidate with corporate backers and just provide a more sane but fundamentally similar vision to the one a Republican would bring. We have to change the entire discussion of what needs to be done, and why. West is a voice for that. We won't get our course correction supporting lessor of two evils, we won't even avert disaster that way, it's the same path we've been on and it leads straight to oblivion, seriously, oblivion. Oh man I so wish it was not true, but that is really where things are at, it's extremely dire.

West gets it, as does Bernie.

still_one

(92,110 posts)
243. Dr. West has been around, and he certainly isn't naive. He craves attention more so for himself
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:23 AM
Sep 2015

then the issues he cares about.

Using racial, and I would say, racist descriptions, to describe a popular African American President, not only alienates African Americans, but other demographics as well.

If some think that is "telling it like it is", to use racist and insulting epitaphs to persuade others to your cause, then those folks probably subscribe to the belief that President Obama's best strategy would have been to embrace Reverend Wright's remarks. He didn't, and he won the election, quite handedly.


dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
246. Disagree entirely
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:03 PM
Sep 2015

I've seen so many of the centrist type posters here beating up on West, the line is pretty much always the same, he's selfish, hates Obama, jealous, now racist, blah blah. He disagrees with Obama for very substantial reasons. That you don't see it that way doesn't mean there is anything wrong with his motives, that is just a bunch of people working overtime to defend POTUS and attribute harmful motivation to West, though they are not in his head enough to make such assertions as to his motives. Having a different world view, they look at West's distaste for corporatists masquerading as change agents, and decide he must be mailcious to feel that way. I think he calls 'em as he sees 'em, and he has some very insightful analysis of what's wrong with our system.

You can throw everyone who is active for fundamental change under the bus, cozy up to monied interests with your radical friends out of the way, and maybe get yourself elected, but what have you become in the process?

We have a chance this time to elect someone who is bringing his integrity and hopefully financial independence along for the ride. It is a rare opportunity. A heavy lift and a long-shot, but likely the only chance to break out of the death spiral we're in.

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
255. I'm not a centrist and I don't like self centered assholes who call people racial slurs. But I see..
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 04:02 PM
Sep 2015

... it's ok as long as Sanders likes them?!

This whole thread of defenses for assholes like West is fucked up

still_one

(92,110 posts)
260. I suspect a lot of Sander's supporters have reservations of this, and are hoping that West does not
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 05:00 PM
Sep 2015

say anything embarrassing.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
282. Nope, has nothing to do with Sanders
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 06:44 AM
Sep 2015

My opinions of West and about his opinions of black leaders he doesn't think walked the walk has absolutely zero to do with Sanders. And I shouldn't even have to say so, you're reaching.

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
286. To hell it doesn't, if Hillary decided to invite racial slur slingers like Trump to her campaign to
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 09:45 AM
Sep 2015

... conversate Sanders and his supporters would skewer her to no end.


Shit, Sander supporters can't get away from a nothing issue like her emails!!!

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
289. No, it really doesn't
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 04:30 PM
Sep 2015

My opinions on West preceded Sanders' candidacy. I see him speak on various liberal and lefty youtube channels, Democracy Now is perhaps the most frequent place I see West interviewed, others too. I'm sorry you let what I assume to be your loyalty to Obama get in the way of West's message, he is a controversial figure to be sure but his analyses of what's going on in our society are worth getting past idiosyncracies of the messenger, IMO.

I never thought the email classified issue was important, and have said so. I do think it's important in the sense that she appears to have setup the server to give herself and her attorneys prior review over anything released for FOIA or subpoena discovery, which is obviously not acceptable from a Secretary of State. Emails were deleted and the server apparently scrubbed before it was handed over, yeah I do have a problem with that. But that's not what this OP is about.

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
254. The support for West is very telling. After someone reveals all the racist tripe he's said about...
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 04:00 PM
Sep 2015

... to people who defend him the racist tripe is somehow ok.

I'm blown away at this thread

still_one

(92,110 posts)
261. Even that this thread creates such a emotional following, only puts emphasis on the very real risk
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 05:07 PM
Sep 2015

the Sanders campaign is taking by utilizing Dr. West.

They better hope West will be able to curb his tongue, because if he goes on one of his tirades, Bernie will get a lot of publicity. Just not sure it will be the kind of publicity he expects.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
281. No, sorry, it's not
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 06:40 AM
Sep 2015

and if you believe that's where they are coming from, you might want to recalibrate your outrage meter.

FloridaBlues

(4,007 posts)
284. Bernie needs more than west in SC.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 06:45 AM
Sep 2015

Latest PPP South Carolina on9/8/15
HRC 54
Biden 24
Sanders 9
Guess SC not feeling the Bern yet.

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