You read it here first: Bernie will take PAC money

[Capn Sunshine]

Oh yes he surely will. Naivete aside, it's a fact of life. The Sanders Campaign is NOT going to hang their hat on this issue. You should not either. If the Sanders Campaign prevails and Bernie is the nominee

They will take money from:

Wall Street- notably Morgan, but Goldman as well.
Banks- especially Citi
Credit Card companies like Capital One
Oil Companies- CITGO springs to mind
Monsanto, who bring you such good things
BP America
The Clean Coal Coalition
GE

and any other puppy killing father raping financial entity or PAC.

Please do not freak out when this happens. Accept it as a sad fact of life.

If Bernie is the nominee, he will take the money, oh yes he will.

Thank you , everyone

[SoapBox]

1. Uh...

ya...right.

[Metric System]

4. OK, so he doesn't. Then what? How does he take on the Republican money machine? How will he pay

for advertising in crucial states?

[Capn Sunshine]

7. This is my point

There's only ONE source for campaign money in the General Election.
And it's NOT individual donors.

The fact that there are so many hangups about this demonstrates the wishes over facts thing.

[VanillaRhapsody]

12. Idealists....

versus realists....

Thank you for a little refresher course!

[virtualobserver]

13. How did he beat Hillary without SuperPAC money?

[RobertEarl]

9. What he will do

Tell them they can spend their money on their own ads.

It's a free country and the law says they can spend billions on ads.

As for advertising by Bernie, the word of mouth and independent social media that I, and millions more are working on will show that the M$M is a failure and a waste of money... this time. Finally.

The revolution will not be televised. Oh, the end results will be, and it will be like this: Damn, how'd that happen? Bernie got elected without spending a billion!

In other words, people like you will have become the media. Are you in, or out?

[Metric System]

14. Sigh...some of you are hell-bent on handing the White House to the Republicans.

[RobertEarl]

17. You are wrong.

Let me repeat that so it is drilled into your head:

YOU ARE WRONG.

This idea that we Bernie supporters, who are sick and tired of the same old same old, want a republican in office, is just plain f'n wrong.

We think that Hillary will be beat by a republican. We think that Bernie can get votes from ALL Democrats, including maybe even you, and he can get independents and some republicans' votes.

I've been watching and participating in politics for over 30 years and Bernie is the BEST candidate I have ever seen run for Potus.

His stance that getting big money out of politics is something every one on DU should be wholly supportive of. Opposing the one candidate who can and will do that is just WRONG.

Like I said: YOU ARE WRONG.

[Metric System]

19. In a post Citizens United political reality, you are essentially wanting Dems to show up to a gun

fight with a spoon. You boldly say I'm wrong, yet your post doesn't address how Sanders will advertise all over the country and take on well-funded Republican attacks while being severely and comparatively restricted financially. Sanders can't get big money out of politics and reverse Citizens United if he doesn't win the Presidency.

[RobertEarl]

20. Bernie has money

Instead of flooding the airwaves with negative ads, this campaign will use the resources wisely with the best timed and most informative ads possible.

Do not sell the internet and the millennials who understand the internet the best. They are already making Bernie famous!

Too, people like me who have already talked to 30 or more individuals who had, at best, only heard of Bernie. That kind of word of mouth ads from millions of people like us will garner millions of votes.

Sanders will have lots of money, and a favorability rating that will overcome the big money spent on tv campaigns that people are sick of.

[Metric System]

21. I don't think that's realistic at all.

[RobertEarl]

22. I get that you don't

This is, after all, a revolution in politics as we know it.

You should join.

[Juicy_Bellows]

24. Right on sir! Right on. Nt.

[artislife]

36. Yup nt

[artislife]

34. Social media is basically free

Who watches cable, reads the newspapers or listens to radio.

Nowhere near the numbers who go online to their forums, to their groups in Facebook, Instagram...etc.

[artislife]

38. You are asking us to go to the wrong table

nevermind the cutlery.

The Cable bill is too damn high. Who would be watching or listening to your kind of ads? Not me or the younger generations.

[Capn Sunshine]

23. He will get big money out of politics only if he wins

in 2016 you need BIG MONEY to do that. Do you not see the irony?


It's not so bad, resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

[Rose Siding]

54. It is SO good to see you again!

Bernie's largest senatorial campaign contributors were the DSCC and Vermont's Dem Party. And since Dems, especially the campaign committees, are supposed to be such big fat corporatists, the math is easy.

[demwing]

56. And some of you are willing so to say ANYTHING

regardless how deceitful, to score debate points.

In the future, candidates won't have to sell themselves as gooThe future is now, Bernie is showing us how to beat the bankers.

Lead, follow, or get the fuck out of the way.

[jwirr]

55. People HATE the money machine. Use it against them.

If I outright try to buy you are you going to see it as a good thing?

Not me - I am insulted. A lot of voters have dropped out of the system in the last 40+ years because of this. It was not such a big issue in 1960 when I voted for JFK or in 1972 when I worked for McGovern but it is a huge problem today.

This is one of the issues that is drawing people to Bernie the most. We are all tire of our so called principled candidates taking all the money they can get their greedy little paws on and then telling us they are going to represent us. Lies.

That list contains some of the worst offenders when it comes to the mess we are in. The only one with any value at all is CITCO and then only because they donate oil to charities here in the USA that help the poor with energy bills.

I do expect that if Bernie wins the nomination that he will take money from the Unions, environmental groups, groups like Emily's List that work for specific issues he supports and he may even take from a select few corporate PACS but I would guess that he will be very selective in who he works with.

Times have changed. When President Obama finally took money from PACS we were not yet aware of just how complicit the corporations and banksters were in the Great Recession that came just before the election. Today we better understand who and how the rich have been buying our elections.

To me the death knell for a politician is any sign that they are playing with the big boys. We have been had. And it needs to stop. NOW.

[daleanime]

2. Right, sure.....

Have a good night.

[Capn Sunshine]

6. Especially since I have never declared my support for Hillary

IN fact, many would apparently be surprised at my political leanings, if they bothered to avoid their knees jerking into their faces.

[cali]

10. fine. I'll delete it.

[ibegurpard]

8. I guess we'll see

[VanillaRhapsody]

11. I keep telling them that running on the Dem ticket....

well that is the ONLY reason that makes sense....because of the Democratic ability to raise funds.....

You won't beat Republicans on a beer budget....it just wont happen.

[HappyPlace]

15. Glad to see that you're conceding the inevitability of Clinton.

I don't think he'll take the PAC money, myself.

I don't think he'll need to.

[Skwmom]

16. No he won't. They might start a PAC to turn off his supporters (because they don't want him

elected) but he won't.

[Ron Green]

18. The 2016 election will be a test for America. We may actually fail it,

if we cannot bring out a huge vote for an honest man who's not bought by the usual powers that be.

[VanillaRhapsody]

28. Who doesnt have the funds to compete

Do you think elections are free?

[Ron Green]

40. That's the test. If we still have to have it sold to us, we fail.

If we can go beyond the money to make our choice, we might pass the test.

[VanillaRhapsody]

41. An experiment...

And I am not interested in sacrificing my power over my own body for your experiment...

Thanks but NO Thanks!

[Ron Green]

43. That's quite a stretch, but I guess we'll have to disagree.

[VanillaRhapsody]

44. Not a stretch at all

You just sugar coat it and call it a "test"

[Skwmom]

48. SC Justices have to be confirmed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsuccessful_nominations_to_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States


I'm not worried about it.

[riversedge]

47. I am not ready to give up SC nominees for your 'test"

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

25. I hope he'll be the nominee so we'll find out. In Clinton's case we already know.

[VanillaRhapsody]

30. And then loses his,ass in the general

And the response will be ooops

I cannot afford your experiment

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

33. Or, Hillary loses her ass in the general despite her corporate fortune.

I don't want your experiment.

[VanillaRhapsody]

35. No she has the money to beat them

Money is thier only true advantage....ask Howard Dean

She has the money to compete.....sorry but that is reality right now...

Btw part of the reason she is still at a 74% chance and he...well just doesnt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

39. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

At least it'll be entertaining....if Bernie gets the nomination. With Hillary, it'll be one capitalist vs another capitalist. As usual.

[VanillaRhapsody]

42. He wont..

Andvno she isnt...

Http://ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm

And if you cannot see the difference....its willful

[kenfrequed]

50. Actually,

It will probably end up being Hillary/____ vs Bush/Walker as Trump will hit his ceiling and the establishment Republicans will hand him his hat.

A Clinton vs Bush election will reduce turn out considerably which will actually increase the odds of a Republican victory. I figure I should point out that statistical fact since the OP seemed hellbent on his pragmatic facts. The Difference is that Bernie never has had to take SuperPac money and is campaigning against it so he can make that choice. The statistics of voting are a bit more difficult.

[artislife]

32. We can't afford to stay on this road of the unchange with H

They just don't see how their lack of conviction won't deter us. We have a great candidate that we are voting For instead of Because.

[Scootaloo]

26. Sneering intensifies!

[Ichingcarpenter]

27. 9/7/2015 .... Bernie Sanders says

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[VanillaRhapsody]

29. Good luck with that plan

I for one cannot risk the power over my own body to your political experiment...

Not when they have the bases loaded.....2 branches already...

Perhaps you can afford it

[artislife]

31. Conjecture and fake concern

The H supporters are using this kind of tactic instead of wondering how H is different on this issue from repubs. I would love the same kind of concern in regards to YOUR candidate that you seem to give ours.

If he does take the money, and I have no use for your seer abilities, we will all handle it in our own individual ways. And I am positive that not one member of the H group will actually give a sh*t how we are personally taking it.

So why don't you use your outrage on what is happening in this present moment. You know, the reality that some of you like to tout.

[VanillaRhapsody]

37. Y3ah not having enough money to compete

That never happens....

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

51. The old 'He's just like our candidate! That's why you should just vote for our candidate instead!'

bit. So as you essentially said, sorry, Hillary supporters, nobody's falling for that bit of desperation.

[JNelson6563]

45. Hi Cap'n!

Great to see you old friend! I don't spend time here much lately, nice surprise to see you! I hope it's all good in your world my dear.

Julie

[Capn Sunshine]

68. HI Julie!

Great to see you round these parts. Here we are again, same a holes with different names posting the same crap about different candidates.

[beam me up scottie]

46. We read a lot of things on DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251510751

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=576315

Your "concern" is duly noted.

[bigwillq]

49. If he wants to win this election, he most likely has to

It's a shame that's how it is, but that's how it is.

[Fawke Em]

52. Oh, I think he'll take PAC money, but not for those groups.

I think he'll remain loyal to union PACs and other PACs that are set up by workers, women and minorities.

His beef is with big money from those very corporations you just mentioned. I don't think it would bother him to take money from the people he wants to represent: those of us who aren't part of those corporate group.

[olddots]

53. what is the difference between cynical and skeptical ?

[demwing]

57. So Says the Banker

from your bio:

I'm a member of the financial community, have worked for Drexel Burnham Lambert, Merrill Lynch, and have done investment banking, operated a hedge fund and am partner in a bank

So now we know why it's so important for your to see Bernie fail. Nuff said

[Capn Sunshine]

59. I'm not going to apologize for working in the financial community

We all work somewhere.
You seem to be implying an agenda that I do not have. I, and hundreds like me are progressives.
It's not a black/white world as you naively seem to think.
I want Bernies voice to be heard. I have no phobia about my taxes going up. I just want his followers to realize that taking money is not the same as agreement.

[demwing]

61. Sunshine

If you make a prediction that Bernie will take money from the Banks, add a "full disclosure" disclaimer that you work for the Banks - and I don't mean as a teller. You're a hedge fund manager and a partner.

Sunshine keeps it real.

[Capn Sunshine]

69. That's a good point

certainly I plan on giving him money.

[demwing]

71. As long as you aren't a Super PAC...

Bankers are citizens too. Give money as a citizen and no one loses.

[MineralMan]

58. It will be moot. Bernie Sanders is not going to get

the nomination. The situation will never arise.

[demwing]

62. And that will be fine with you

because of all us nasty Bernie supporters.

Predict away, but let's be clear - you have a bias.

[MineralMan]

66. If Bernie is the nominee, he will have

My enthusiastic support. I predict he will not be the nominee, though.

[Freddie Stubbs]

63. He has accepted PAC money in the past. Why wouldn't he do it now?

[99Forever]

65. Always nice to hear from the...

My candidate is brought so yours must be too crowd.

[postatomic]

67. He has accepted PAC money for years

Open Secrets shows this. It's the SuperPACs that will be interesting. He really doesn't have a say in whether they start up or not, but he can decide to openly reject them. What's that expression; "snow balls chance in hell".

[Eric J in MN]

70. Bernie Sanders has said that he won't have a Super PAC.

That is openly rejecting them.

[postatomic]

72. Like I said; Bernie doesn't really have a say in this matter

However, Briggs said there isn’t really anything the Sanders campaign can do to stop Jacobson.

“It’s a free country,” he said.

This is not the first time the Sanders campaign has faced this irony.

In May, the Burlington Free Press reported that multiple super PACs had been formed to support Sanders, including one hybrid PAC named “Bet on Bernie,” whose chairman Cary Peterson said he intended to raise $50 million.

Sanders said he had not sanctioned any super PAC and an campaign advisor reportedly said of Peterson: “I don’t even know who this guy is.”


http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2015/07/16/supporter-creates-super-pac-for-bernie-sanders-who-hates-super-pacs/TTiyTWZkp7W09L0cwdmk4I/story.html