Helpful hint: disagreeing with policies and issues of elected officials and/ or candidates--

[eridani]

--is not "hate."

For those obsessed with personalities and "scandals," it seems impossible to understand that there is nothing at all inconsistent about issue-oriented people being thrilled about the Iran deal and still being pissed off about TPP.

[Armstead]

1. Sad that needs repeating -- but so true

[beam me up scottie]

2. Obsessed is the right word.

I keep thinking I wandered into the BOG by accident.

[Scuba]

3. K&R

[RufusTFirefly]

4. So true.

But the accusations frequently put passionate, policy-focused people on the defensive and divert from the issues at hand. (I call it "distractivism&quot

Mission Accomplished.

[stupidicus]

5. of course it is if you're hateful and stupid

it's the subjective reality for the mentally impotent and fact/logic/reason-challenged.

WHat slays me is all the hay they've tried to make with the "rightwinger talking points" BS, as they employ and deploy garbage like that right outta the rightwingnut playbook...

They also imo, share the political acumen and foresight of their rightwing cousins -- that of an earthworm.

[A Simple Game]

13. What I find funny is that the ones being accused of using right wing talking points are

also accused of being the "far left fringe."

And the ones accusing them of using right wing talking points are in fact on the far right of the Democratic party.

Funny how the far right of either party just can't seem to get it right, isn't it?

[Tommymac]

14. ^^^ This ^^^ eom

[stupidicus]

17. you know it

this could turn out to simply be the wrong time to be on the right in any meaningful measure

as you noted, they share the "I'll accuse the opposition of what I am the most if not exclusively guilty of" with their repug counterparts as well.

Offensive offense as defense has long been the rightwinger way...

[MoveIt]

18. It's Pure Projection

they can't help themselves.

[Juicy_Bellows]

27. So true! nt

[MoveIt]

6. "But my brain is in binary mode and i'm stupid and thrive on hatred!"

"me and my 25 sour grapes friends disagree! you silly racist/sexist Bernie Supporter! wahhh... I will register my approval of today's thread full of lies with a rec." quote someone on my ignore list, 2015

[retrowire]

7. very true. n/t

[zeemike]

8. That is how the cult of personality works.

The leader is always right and above any criticism and anyone who does criticize them is doing the work of the devil.
That kind of thing should scare us because it has never produced anything good.

[MisterP]

29. it's like any debased political system: in Latin America the government would hire a speaker who'd

scream and make scatological references against any priest or human-rights worker, and yell about "the claw of fascist Communism trying to impose totalitarian anarchy"--just gibbering the worst words they can think of in a disjointed pile

[Jack Rabbit]

9. That's true and I should know

/s/
Jack Rabbit
who is thrilled about the Iran deal and pissed off about TPP

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. It is the reponsibility of the people in a democracy to hold public servants accountable.

And, scrutinize as fully as possible candidates for public office.

[Enthusiast]

11. PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! nt

[A Simple Game]

15. But holding public servants accountable requires a person to vigilant and aware of

the consequences of the actions of their leaders. That requires more work than just saying we should do what our leader wants.

Decision making is hard work if you don't come equipped with the proper tools for the job.

[Duppers]

12. + K & R

[artislife]

16. This video may explain why people

are interested in electing someone for where they stand on issues.
https://www.facebook.com/RTAmerica/videos/10152810401671366/?fref=nf

[DanTex]

19. Good point. What's odd is that Hillary haters pretend that they care about issues. Do they really

think they're fooling anyone? It's pretty easy to tell hate from actual concern about policy.

[eridani]

22. Really? When did anyone on this board ever back the Benghazi bullshit? n/t

[DanTex]

24. For example.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251555176

And then the countless email threads.

[eridani]

26. Which was promptly called out as bullshit by just about every other Sanders supporters

The email problem is one of not having a consistent, government-wide policy, plus crappy cybersecurity.
In war zones, communications are through a network that is entirely separate from the internet, and therefore not hackable through regular internet connections. IMO, something similar for all government emails related to official business would be helpful, along with some kind of audit process.

[d_legendary1]

20. Seems some people don't know what cognitive dissonance

means. Having a candidate who claims they want Wall Street reform while taking money from Wall Street constitutes its definition.

[Jim Lane]

21. So true. Disagreeing is also not "bashing" (another favorite meme).

In fact, it's not even bashing or hate for a DUer to say, "I won't vote for Clinton if she's the nominee." I personally disagree with that position, but it deserves to be met with rational arguments, not with name-calling.

[eridani]

23. You don't convince alienated voters to become strategic voters by bashing them n/t

[Jim Lane]

25. Quite true, but to some DUers that's evidently not a consideration.

Supporters of one candidate think that they're normal people and the rest of us aren't.

I console myself that "normal" is a cycle on a washing machine.

[kath]

28. Yes - isn't *that* a lovely meme?

Talk about divisive.