2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary giving speech on Iran Deal. msnbc may cover. Here is a LIVE link
Also some tweets: #HillaryonIran
http://www.brookings.edu/events/2015/09/09-clinton-iran-nuclear-deal
Watch @HillaryClinton's #IranDeal speech live: http://www.brookings.edu/events/2015/09/09-clinton-iran-nuclear-deal
#hillaryoniran
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Cha
(297,154 posts)✔ @tparsi
BREAKING: IT'S DONE!! 41Senators now back the #IranDeal - Obama doesn't have to use his veto!! HUGE VICTORY!
@MarkRuffalo @JohnFugelsang
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Trita Parsi
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Significance of this victory cant be overstated. Our side was Obama and a large, diversity coalition. The other side was 2-4 billionaires...
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Thank you, President Obama, SOS Kerry and VP Biden!
riversedge
(70,195 posts)LIVE:
Jesse Lehrich @JesseLehrich
Clinton will vow to vigorously enforce the #IranDeal AND lay out a 5 point plan to counter Iran's other nefarious behavior. #HillaryOnIran
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Cha
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(70,195 posts)http://twitter.com/HowardMortman/status/641598950626197504/photo/1
Howard Mortman @HowardMortman
.@ASimendinger is covering #HillaryOnIran speech pic.twitter.com/6Wsf0q2hHm
riversedge
(70,195 posts)Brookings FP
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@HillaryClinton arrives at Brookings for her address on the #IranDeal. #hillaryoniran
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(70,195 posts)riversedge
(70,195 posts)Hillary had substantial role in setting up--coordinating the Iran Plan
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.@HillaryClinton: Either we move forward on the path of diplomacy...or we turn down a more dangerous path. #HillaryOnIran
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(70,195 posts)Jesse Lehrich @JesseLehrich
As Hillary lays out a thoughtful plan for countering Iran, check out Rs' irresponsible antics: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/p/briefing/factsheets/2015/09/08/dangerous-gop-iran-antics/ #HillaryOnIran
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The GOP's Dangerous Iran Antics
In lieu of a viable alternative to the deal, top Republicans candidates have largely resorted to dangerous gamesmanship.
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(70,195 posts)US-Islamic World @usislam
.@HillaryClinton: w/Congressional outcome not in much doubt now, we have to start looking at what comes next. #HillaryOnIran
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(70,195 posts)Mark Landler
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Clinton takes on Dick Cheney right off the bat on Iran: Iran built nuke program under his watch #HillaryOnIran
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Guus Valk @apjvalk
"I support this dealas part of a larger strategy toward Iran, (..) a 'ruthless regime". #hillaryoniran
Washington, DC, United States
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(70,195 posts)Jacob Kornbluh @jacobkornbluh
"There's absolutely no reason to trust Iran." #HillaryonIran
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(70,195 posts)Tamara Cofman Wittes @tcwittes
Without a deal we'd have no credible inspections. W a deal we'll be able to monitor every aspect of their nuke program. #HillaryOnIran
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#HillaryOnIran: My approach to Iran as prez will be "distrust and verify". @euronews @BrookingsFP
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)She is going to be excellent building off the success of Obama and forging her own way for our future.
riversedge
(70,195 posts)coming across Presidential --very serious.
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(49,376 posts)riversedge
(70,195 posts)Jacob Kornbluh @jacobkornbluh
Strong line by @HillaryClinton: "I wIll not hesitate to use miliatry action if Iran attempts to develop nuclear weapons." #HillaryonIran
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@HillaryClinton: Here's my message to Iran: The US will never allow you to acquire a nuclear weapon. #HillaryOnIran
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(70,195 posts)The Iran Project @IranProject2015
Diplomacy is not the pursuit of perfection, it's balancing risk #HillaryOnIran
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riversedge
(70,195 posts)Shows how petty and small-minded fox is.
Peace Is Active @peaceisactive
Republicans respond to excellent @HillaryClinton #IranDeal speech with fake scandal pushed by Fox News. #gopfail #HillaryOnIran #UniteBlue
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(70,195 posts)Natan Sachs @natansachs
#HillaryOnIran @BrookingsInst I believe this deal w joint strategy to implant strengthens #Israel though I say w humility - I'm not Israeli
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.@HillaryClinton: This isn't the start of some broader diplomatic opening with Iran. #HillaryOnIran pic.twitter.com/OuZIhDXzEb
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riversedge
(70,195 posts)Aileen Laing @GlzgowlassLaing
#HillaryOnIran @MSNBC Hey how about letting us hear what Hillary has to say instead of cutting away to mischaracterize her speech!
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Mandy Slutsker @Mandy4Action
Hillary's providing a strong argument on how US can back #IranDeal and continue to support Israel, only democracy in region #HillaryOnIran
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)karynnj
(59,501 posts)She began the speech with the history of how we got here. HRC speaks of how Bush/Cheney left office with Iran well on their way to a nuclear bomb. She then speaks of how she and Obama chose a two prong approach - fighting for international sanctions while speaking of the door being open to talk. She does an excellent job speaking of her work, which she did, getting countries on board - though she fails to credit that the P5 pushed this too.
ver, she then spoke of the start of the negotiated effort -- and while her speech flowed beautifully, I have some real problems. She did have a very important early role in this, but here she exaggerates it. First, she ignores that there was a long term multinational effort that the US had not joined. Then, in speaking of the secret bilateral talks, she speaks only of going herself to Oman twice to set up the back channel - ignoring that the first step was that Obama, wanting a back channel sent John Kerry, then in the Senate' HRC's trips followed.
She then says two aides of hers, William Burns and Jake Sullivan started secret talks, which became more serious in 2013 and that they led to the interim agreement -- and then there were the multinational negotiations led by Kerry, Moniz and Sherman. It is true, that these men led the secret talks. The first were while HRC was SoS and they went nowhere. In 2013 when Rouhani was elected, they started again. Sullivan was then working for Biden. (Burns was career State Department). These talks led to the US entering the multinational talks. (note the slight of hand in HRC's words - bilateral leads to interim agreement leads to multinational.
This is at least meant to distort who was responsible for the interim agreement as anyone just listening would credit HRC, Burns, and Sullivan for the interim agreement. In fact, that was a multinational effort itself, where Kerry and Sherman led for the US. Here is one of the contemporary articles on the Geneva negotiations that resulted in the Iran deal ( https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/kerry-in-geneva-raising-hopes-for-historic-nuclear-deal-with-iran/2013/11/23/53e7bfe6-5430-11e3-9fe0-fd2ca728e67c_story.html )
At this point -- I stopped watching. I was furious, but not surprised. I read HRC's book and saw that she did the same thing repeatedly - taking the credit the rest of the world gave Kerry in 2009 when he persuaded Kharzi to follow election laws, and strangely taking credit for advising Obama to agree to the chemical weapons deal -- while crediting Kerry only with a gaffe.
YES, YES, I know that I am a John Kerry supporter - a regular on the DU John Kerry site, but I really don't get why Hillary Clinton seems to always go out of her way not just to take credit for the very real things she does, but to usurp credit from others. This could actually be a great story of everyone working together -- Obama and his two Secretaries of State -- and it could be what actually happened! In contrast, both President Obama and Secretary Kerry have long been known to share credit graciously with others. In fact, both had long lists of people - from the US and elsewhere - for this deal. It did not diminish the role either played.
I KNOW that this is a nit detail in Clinton's speech, but it reminds me why I have lost respect for her -- even as here - when she can be impressive.
riversedge
(70,195 posts)Hillary coming across as strong, knowledgeable caring ---cool calm and collected--very Presidential.
Fredric #Hillary2016 @MrTelephoneMan3
This isn't a nominee I'm watching, this is a President #hillaryoniran #IranDeal
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Tamara Cofman Wittes @tcwittes
#HillaryOnIran speaks to fears &anxieties of Israelis, I'd invite the Israeli pm to WH my 1st month in office for close constant consult
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cali
(114,904 posts)She's an interventionist through and through
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(70,195 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)riversedge
(70,195 posts)How the US will stick by and defend Israel. No options off table to prevent Iran from nuclear bomb.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)riversedge
(70,195 posts)from a large allergy attach. I cracked up--it was spontaneous after she cleared her throat (she is very hoarse)
riversedge
(70,195 posts)https://www.hillaryclinton.com/p/briefing/factsheets/2015/09/08/dangerous-gop-iran-antics/
The Briefing
Factsheets
The GOPs Dangerous Iran Antics
Hillary Clinton has a comprehensive strategy for vigorously enforcing the Iran deal, cracking down on Irans nefarious regional behavior and protecting Israel. As she has made clear, this deal is not perfect, but it is far and away the best option we have to block Iran from getting a nuclear weaponsomething we will never permit.
In lieu of a viable alternative to the deal, top Republicans candidates have largely resorted to dangerous gamesmanship. They have used unacceptable rhetoric, worked to undercut the administrations diplomatic efforts and distorted reality in an attempt to make the deal less palatable. Take a look:
Inflammatory Rhetoric
Jeb Bush: This isnt diplomacyit is appeasement.
Ben Carson accused President Obama of employing standard anti-Semitic themes to defend the Iran deal.
Chris Christie said that President Obama and Hillary Clinton are now responsible for any deaths caused by Iran.
Ted Cruz: If this deal is consummated, the Obama Administration will become the worlds leading financier of radical Islamic terrorists.
Donald Trump: Its going to lead to destruction in large portions of the world.
Scott Walker: Its very possibleGod forbid, but its very possible that the next president could be called to take aggressive actions, including military action, on the first day in office.
Attempts to Undermine Diplomacy.......
procon
(15,805 posts)Last time, one of the primary reasons she lost my vote (and many others) was because she not only voted for the Iraq War, but remained unrepentant, and even joined the neocons in the Bush Administration who were continually agitating for more war and promoting bigger military solutions to political and socio-economic problems.
I don't see the political advantage to doubling down and telling voters that if they elect her as president, she will allow Israel to obtain F-35 fighter jets and escalate the threat of increased military interventionism in the Middle East. Evidently she's learned nothing in all this time, but it's one thing for the neocons in the Republican Party to promote endless war; it is quite another thing altogether for the Democratic front-runner for President in 2016 to believe the same bullshit.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)What makes you think he would not sell them to Isreal?
procon
(15,805 posts)If and when Sanders takes up the neocon's cause celebre, I'll be just as critical because promoting the escalation of war should not be on any Democrat's To Do List, yeah? It's precisely because of these disturbing revelations by the candidates, I intend to remain deliberately unaligned until my state's primary.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)he has chosen to seek the Democratic Party's nomination in 2016, so let's not pretend this is the issue at hand.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)Now, I would like her to try to persuade Schumer and Cardin (my Senator ) to support the deal. She covered every possible one of their concerns and more, IMO - even to an extent that I wished that she hadn't, although I understand the necessity, both at home and abroad, for such tough rhetoric.
Menendez the crook should be ousted in any event. Manchin has, IMO, mostly been a lost cause DINO for a long time.
As Dems, none of these have any possible justification for being anti - other than having divided loyalties about Israel's concerns. That should disqualify them from serving in the US Senate.
I hope that Cardin realizes that his nasty new BFFs (AIPAC, Netanyahu and the warmongering neocons) will vote for ANY GOPer over him in 2018. They were never his base and his giving in to them now will earn him no clout with them unless he changes party altogether.
He has lost me and many loyal Dems like me who are his base. So I truly hope that we have a good and successful primary challenger against him.